VP89
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I wish more players said this. There are too many games no one gives a feck about.
Ok so just keep over-loading the calendar. We'll just keep getting younger players when these ones are broken.Lots of other players do as they get older and you can be sure there are younger players that will jump at the chance to play the extra games.
Perhaps they feel the balance is wrong, and could benefit from less money and less games?Players benefit from this particular cash cow as much as anyone.
Nobody really but wasn't that just replacing the existing friendlies in order to make them competitive? I'm not sure it's added many extra games, although I could be wrong about that.The Nations League for a start. Who gives a flying feck about that ?
Who is they? Courtois represents a relaatively small amount of players that have the opportunity to go far in competitions.Perhaps they feel the balance is wrong, and could benefit from less money and less games?
Friendlies were an opportunity for fringe players to represent their country, and others got a rest. Now there's a trophy behind it the same players play every game.Nobody really but wasn't that just replacing the existing friendlies in order to make them competitive? I'm not sure it's added many extra games, although I could be wrong about that.
They would be Courtois and any player who agrees with him. Yes it's a minority of professionals.Who is they? Courtois represents a relaatively small amount of players that have the opportunity to go far in competitions.
Knowing that, do they have a point? Or are they disingenuous and selfcentered?They would be Courtois and any player who agrees with him. Yes it's a minority of professionals.
The consensus is it has been a great success. All of the countries get opportunities out of it, whether it be qualifying for major tournaments, fighting for another piece of silverware, or competitive fixtures against suitable opponents. Far better than the friendlies that used to more regularly populate the calendar. The Italy v Spain and Spain v France matches were two of the best matches this year. I missed Belgium v France, so cannot comment on that,The Nations League for a start. Who gives a flying feck about that ?
Fair point for the latter stages, I suppose. I think there's plenty of games where teams can experiment and try fringe players out.Friendlies were an opportunity for fringe players to represent their country, and others got a rest. Now there's a trophy behind it the same players play every game.
I'm sure they'd be up for thatPerhaps they feel the balance is wrong, and could benefit from less money and less games?
Absolutely true.Strong words from Thibault Courtois last night(?) about UEFA, suggesting they only care about money and not players...
Main quotes:
"This just shows that we play too many games," Courtois continued. "Next year we have a World Cup in November, we maybe have to play until the latter stages of June again. We will get injured and nobody cares about the players anymore.
"After a long season we will have to play four games in the Nations League again, we will have two weeks' holiday and that's not enough for players to be able to continue playing 12 months at the highest level.
"If we never say anything it will always be the same. They (Uefa) can be angry about other teams making a Super League but they don't care about the players, they just care about their pockets."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58870597
Foughts?
no, but even though I support 51% fan ownership the only problem is most clubs invited to the super league would say no chanceWould you accept a super league if it meant no oil money and fan 51% ownership?
Well that’s not how it works, so there’s that.Players at the highest level should be the last ones to complain about others caring about money.
Ask the players if they're willing to take the paycuts to reflect the fewer amount of games they're asking for and there will be a resounding no.
Exactly this! I'm actually sick of the sheer amount of games that are on, it would be nice to have a reduced schedule and less pointless competitions like the nation's league.He‘s completely right and I think the quality of the game is suffering massively from far too many games being played.
It's just a glorified friendly that's been renamedThe third placed play-off does seem pointless (in the World Cup too) but no issues with the Nations League as it's much better than having loads of friendlies played during international breaks.
More or less but fans and players seem engaged with them, so they seem like a decent balance to me as they've provided a lot of good football. It also does link to qualifiers, albeit in a convoluted way.It's just a glorified friendly that's been renamed
If they want to make it an actual tournament, peg the qualifiers for the world cup and UEFA based on the nations league results.
Players don't get paid for the amount of games they play (other than individual bonus clauses). They don't get a pay rise if the number of games increase. Also, the main variable is national team games, which is outside their salary anyway (and I highly doubt whatever they get paid for that by the federations matters much to the sort of players who get the biggest exposure playing for top club and national sides).Players at the highest level should be the last ones to complain about others caring about money.
Ask the players if they're willing to take the paycuts to reflect the fewer amount of games they're asking for and there will be a resounding no.
If they think that the fluctuating schedule is a concern, maybe they should tell their agents that they have a max number of games clause included in the contracts. Initially, the clubs may not agree, but if all players start asking for it, that will be come a norm.Players don't get paid for the amount of games they play (other than individual bonus clauses). They don't get a pay rise if the number of games increase. Also, the main variable is national team games, which is outside their salary anyway (and I highly doubt whatever they get paid for that by the federations matters much to the sort of players who get the biggest exposure playing for top club and national sides).
That would be very bad, in my view. The party in all of this that gets the least out of it all, and which actually could legitimately put to good use almost any amount of money, is the federations. They're the ones who are funding most of the whole pyramid, down to the lowest age bracket and everywhere in the country. It wouldn't be good if players who are already earning huge amounts would take a bigger piece of that cake. Nor of course would it do anything at all to solve the basic problem, which is that football players are being asked to do so much playing with so little downtime that it's going to affect their durability and performance. Which for fans translates to less good football.If they think that the fluctuating schedule is a concern, maybe they should tell their agents that they have a max number of games clause included in the contracts. Initially, the clubs may not agree, but if all players start asking for it, that will be come a norm.
If players get paid only peanuts per game (relative to their club money) while on international duty, they should demand more I guess. Else, not play. If you get kicked out of team for that, so be it.
They have a point but problem is their renumeration is not tied to games played. So how do you decide how to cut money based off how many games less, particularly the national games for which they are not really paid huge sums.Knowing that, do they have a point? Or are they disingenuous and selfcentered?
Who talked about them being paid per game? I don't care about how they want their contracts to be structured. Courtois has no point, zero, nada, if he is that tired why doesn't he ask his club to not use him 38 times in the league? International Football is not professional, they shouldn't be paid huge sums, the money is supposed to go mainly to federations and help fund grassroot Football which all professional footballers benefitted from.They have a point but problem is their renumeration is not tied to games played. So how do you decide how to cut money based off how many games less, particularly the national games for which they are not really paid huge sums.
I do. Much better level than the Euro Qualifiers. And the number of games didn't increased.The Nations League for a start. Who gives a flying feck about that ?
Pointless for some. Not for me. The Nations League, the WC every 2 years agree with you.Pointless tournament. Pointless.
same as adding a World Cup every 2 years.
Money money money
It’s about time football tried to refind it’s soul again
How about people look beyond the messenger and instead focus on the messageIronical when someone blames UEFA for caring about "money and nothing else" when he himself forced a move to Real Madrid a couple of years ago for "money and nothing else".
I agree with the "too many matches", though. I'd be happy if players with better integrity spoke against the UEFA parasites.
No one forced him to play, if he is tired don't show up. Had he won the match maybe the conversation would be different. But the third place game maybe should be scrapped.Ironical when someone blames UEFA for caring about "money and nothing else" when he himself forced a move to Real Madrid a couple of years ago for "money and nothing else"
Because if Saudi rulers talked about human right conditions in Afghanistan, it will NOT resonate with the common man, even though there's nothing wrong with the message.How about people look beyond the messenger and instead focus on the message