Uefa president hints at luxury tax and transfer changes to rein in rich clubs

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The UEFA has the same problem as the FIFA. There are too many "little" countries to please who have as many votes in it like the big nations.
It's a problem to most of us, but not to them. Uefa, Fifa, the FA, any sports organisation, has the same objective, to increase the number of events under it's control, and build up it's own empire. They actively want more little countries, both for more matches and to vote to keep them in power.

A club breakaway would be fine by me.
 

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It's a problem to most of us, but not to them. Uefa, Fifa, the FA, any sports organisation, has the same objective, to increase the number of events under it's control, and build up it's own empire. They actively want more little countries, both for more matches and to vote to keep them in power.

A club breakaway would be fine by me.
A club breakaway would be suicide for the sport.
 

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Like the premier league breakaway you mean?
It's still part of an open pyramid. If the biggest clubs were to break away and form a closed league, with no pro/rel, that would be suicide. Not the same as Premier League formation.
 

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Which is all lovely for the English game, but has little benefit for clubs in other leagues.
English clubs do buy players from other countries don't they?

Funny how nobody talked about this when Real, the Italian clubs etc were spending big back in the day.
 

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Something does need to be done about this. However any intention UEFA has is clouded with corruption, do they really have good intentions for the smaller clubs? Absolutely not. They are simply lining their own pockets once again.
Actually I do not have a big problem with the smaller nations having more power - but it is not this. It is not the smaller countries so much - I have no problem with the other democratic countries in central Europe having more power - but it is through its sponsors like Azerbajan's Socar that gives some countries more power that should not have it.
 

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This wouldn't affect the likes of PSG/City who would simply find ways around it to funnel money into the club as they are doing with FFP.
 

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The biggest myth in this thread is the idea that nobody talked about this issue when the Spanish and Italian clubs were dominating Europe. In reality, this has always been a concern.

Champions League 'is killing football'
The Champions League has created, in almost every country in Europe, an elite of rich clubs whose increasing dominance is turning their domestic title races into predictable turn-offs for fans, Uefa are warning. (2004)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/nov/07/newsstory.sport10

Blatter vows to stop greed ruling football
FIFA president Sepp Blatter has vowed to stop 'greed ruling the world of football' and launched a blistering attack on hugely-wealthy club owners he claims are threatening the future of football. (2005)
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/345528/blatter-blasts-pornographic-club-owners

UEFA say Bosman ruined football's values
Uefa has said the Bosman ruling is responsible for a culture of greed in football and has led to the abandonment of home-grown talent. (2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2369701/Uefa-say-Bosman-ruined-footballs-values.html

Over a decade ago but could have been written yesterday. Obviously there was probably less complaining in the 1990s because the game was still relatively competitive across different countries - teams from Yugoslavia and Holland were able to assemble European Cup-winning collections of talent. It was really only from the late 1990s onwards that TV resources turned the top of the game into a closed shop.

English clubs do buy players from other countries don't they?

Funny how nobody talked about this when Real, the Italian clubs etc were spending big back in the day.
That's the 'little' benefit I talked about. It's probably a net negative really for everyone else given all the TV investment is drawn into the Premier League away from other leagues.
 

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When has Europe ever had a wage limit or salary cap?
Without a salary cap it'd all be a joke though. The big teams that would be discouraged from outspending the smaller teams by such a wide margin could just put that money into wages that smaller clubs couldn't match.
 

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Wage cap would not work since you would have to apply all across Europe. And the whatever the wage limit was only the likes of Manchester United, Bayern, Barcelon and Real could reach it which would not change anything. It would less money for the players and more money for the owners to pocket which would make people happy for some reason.
 

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I don’t know whether the financial disparities are indeed increasing but super clubs are forming due to a variety of reasons: Huge increase in the domestic TV deals and foreign investment in the PL (Manchester United, MCity, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool), unequal TV deals in Spain and Italy (Barca, Real, to an extend Juventus), huge foreign investment in France (PSG and for some time AS Monaco) and a very low TV deal in Germany meaning Bayern are running away with the marketing money.

In the future these clubs will pull further ahead due to social media increasing brand values, US and China Summer tours and due to nearly guaranteed CL money. These clubs will continue to buy the best players, signing the most profitable sponsorship deals and to have sporting success. It will be nearly impossible for any of these teams to feck up. Furthermore these clubs and the leagues they play in will increase their share in TV interest, meaning they will not only increase their value but at the same time decrease the value of other leagues. They will become even more powerful and will be able to get even more concessions from UEFA, leading to an even higher concentration of power.

I honestly don’t care which clubs gets how much money. All I care for is that football won’t come down to only 10 teams competing for all meaningful honors in European football. In order to save the competitiveness of European football I believe the Top Clubs have to be “reigned in”. So what could be done?
  • Limiting the amount payable for transfers: this is the weirdest idea I have read so far. I honestly don’t understand it. Transfer money is one of the most important revenue streams for smaller clubs. It literally is a redistribution mechanism which transfers money from bigger clubs to smaller clubs.
  • Salary Caps: This is a little bit extreme. But I like the Idea of a luxury tax. In order to make it easier to implement use it only for teams playing in UEFA competitions. Don’t really let the clubs pay taxes, but withhold price money. Furthermore it should not be too harsh (in the beginning). I believe the current wage budget of Manchester United, MCity, Barca and Real is about 300 M€. So put the tax exemption to 300 M€. Anything above could be taxed with 20%. This should not punish the rich clubs, but decelerated the growth of their wage bill. The money could be redistributed equally between all other clubs participating in the UEFA tournaments.
  • Squad limits: again do it only in UEFA competitions. There already is squad limits currently so it should be possible to impose limits legally. Let teams have 15 players, plus any number of players born within a 100 Million radius around there stadium. This would reduce the current discrimination against teams from smaller FAs as well. A maximum of 23 Players can be registered for the season.
  • Allow and encourage the formation of supranational Leagues for smaller FAs. Smaller FAs have a very small domestic market meaning there leagues don’t generate much money, therefore they lose the best young players to bigger leagues and lose TV audiences with them. Supranational league in Scandinavia, BeNeLux, the Alps, Eastern Europe, maybe even the Balkan could create markets that are big enough to support clubs that can compete with the elite again.
  • Reduce the number of possible loans. Rich clubs financing and supporting the development of young players is awesome. But the stuff that for instance Chelsea does is exploiting the vurnerable position of young players and the weak financial position of smaller clubs for high financial gain with low risk. Reduce the number of possible loans out and in to 3 each. I don’t see a good reason to have more. At the same time abolish buy back clauses and this nonsense, which is used as kind of a loan system anyway.
  • Only implement these rules for clubs partaking in UEFA competitions, this should make it easier to implement. The clubs will then pressure their FAs to implement the same rules within the national leagues, I guess.
 

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Really, if they just revoked all titles won by PSG, Citeh and Chelsea since the sugar daddies and said it wasn't allowed any more, I think everyone would be happy
 

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Honestly, that's bullshit in my opinion.
They shouldn't be allowed to tax rich (or any) clubs, they aren't a state, and a sport shouldn't have a taxing-governing body, that should be up to the individual countries to decide on. If Uefa wan't more equality, they should give more to lower-ending price-money instead of this shit.
Everything you said here is spot on.

They'll tax the rich so they can line there own filthy pockets, like a shit Robin Hood.

UEFA makes a butt load of money which they could pass down to the struggerlers
 

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I guess someone has already pointed out that the European Super League will be formed the moment Uefa try to pull this stunt?
 

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I don’t know whether the financial disparities are indeed increasing but super clubs are forming due to a variety of reasons: Huge increase in the domestic TV deals and foreign investment in the PL (Manchester United, MCity, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool), unequal TV deals in Spain and Italy (Barca, Real, to an extend Juventus), huge foreign investment in France (PSG and for some time AS Monaco) and a very low TV deal in Germany meaning Bayern are running away with the marketing money.

In the future these clubs will pull further ahead due to social media increasing brand values, US and China Summer tours and due to nearly guaranteed CL money. These clubs will continue to buy the best players, signing the most profitable sponsorship deals and to have sporting success. It will be nearly impossible for any of these teams to feck up. Furthermore these clubs and the leagues they play in will increase their share in TV interest, meaning they will not only increase their value but at the same time decrease the value of other leagues. They will become even more powerful and will be able to get even more concessions from UEFA, leading to an even higher concentration of power.

I honestly don’t care which clubs gets how much money. All I care for is that football won’t come down to only 10 teams competing for all meaningful honors in European football. In order to save the competitiveness of European football I believe the Top Clubs have to be “reigned in”. So what could be done?
  • Limiting the amount payable for transfers: this is the weirdest idea I have read so far. I honestly don’t understand it. Transfer money is one of the most important revenue streams for smaller clubs. It literally is a redistribution mechanism which transfers money from bigger clubs to smaller clubs.
  • Salary Caps: This is a little bit extreme. But I like the Idea of a luxury tax. In order to make it easier to implement use it only for teams playing in UEFA competitions. Don’t really let the clubs pay taxes, but withhold price money. Furthermore it should not be too harsh (in the beginning). I believe the current wage budget of Manchester United, MCity, Barca and Real is about 300 M€. So put the tax exemption to 300 M€. Anything above could be taxed with 20%. This should not punish the rich clubs, but decelerated the growth of their wage bill. The money could be redistributed equally between all other clubs participating in the UEFA tournaments.
  • Squad limits: again do it only in UEFA competitions. There already is squad limits currently so it should be possible to impose limits legally. Let teams have 15 players, plus any number of players born within a 100 Million radius around there stadium. This would reduce the current discrimination against teams from smaller FAs as well. A maximum of 23 Players can be registered for the season.
  • Allow and encourage the formation of supranational Leagues for smaller FAs. Smaller FAs have a very small domestic market meaning there leagues don’t generate much money, therefore they lose the best young players to bigger leagues and lose TV audiences with them. Supranational league in Scandinavia, BeNeLux, the Alps, Eastern Europe, maybe even the Balkan could create markets that are big enough to support clubs that can compete with the elite again.
  • Reduce the number of possible loans. Rich clubs financing and supporting the development of young players is awesome. But the stuff that for instance Chelsea does is exploiting the vurnerable position of young players and the weak financial position of smaller clubs for high financial gain with low risk. Reduce the number of possible loans out and in to 3 each. I don’t see a good reason to have more. At the same time abolish buy back clauses and this nonsense, which is used as kind of a loan system anyway.
  • Only implement these rules for clubs partaking in UEFA competitions, this should make it easier to implement. The clubs will then pressure their FAs to implement the same rules within the national leagues, I guess.
Agree with all of these ideas bar the 100 miles radius which I think is too restrictive. 15 players + any number of players who have had their football education in that country (lets say at least 5 years before the age of 21) would probably work better.

About the wage bill, I agree with that, but I think that some special care should be taken for inflation and for the rise on revenue. If a club in two years has a 30% higher revenue than it should be able to have an increase on wages for 30% IMO. I would say that the limit should be a percentage of revenue, for example no club should spend more than 60% of their total revenue in wages. This would protect the clubs from crazy impatient owners and so the clubs won't do a Leeds or Portsmouth.

The supranational leagues is the idea I like best, and would likely make more clubs competitive. A Balkan league for example (lets add to it Romania and Bulgaria) could be near as good as the top leagues, considering that all those countries have around 60m people and a lot of people are crazy about football. A Scandinavian league (including Finland and Iceland) could be strong too, merge Holland and Belgium's first league (if they want so), maybe add top Portuguese teams in La Liga/Ligue 1 (of course, if they desire so), Celtic in EPL, etc etc. It is very bad to see the historical giants being bullied from teams 100 times less successful than them just because they are located in the wrong region.
 

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Then what is this thread about if they're already luxury taxing transfer fees ?
They've taxed themselves in terms of the tv deal, no tax will match the 1b that the Premier League signed away. That's 20 percent of the entire deal.
UEFA want to spread the wealth when it's not theirs to take.
It's all small steps. First they wanted to take our early morning kickoffs for CL games so they can steal the primetime Asian kickoff slots and now they want to tax transfer fees when the PL are the only league in world football that spends money to a high degree.
England doesn't need UEFA mandates to help build and finance the domestic game yet it looks like our clubs will be roped in with the rest when the excuses are brought forward.
 
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Agree with all of these ideas bar the 100 miles radius which I think is too restrictive. 15 players + any number of players who have had their football education in that country (lets say at least 5 years before the age of 21) would probably work better.

About the wage bill, I agree with that, but I think that some special care should be taken for inflation and for the rise on revenue. If a club in two years has a 30% higher revenue than it should be able to have an increase on wages for 30% IMO. I would say that the limit should be a percentage of revenue, for example no club should spend more than 60% of their total revenue in wages. This would protect the clubs from crazy impatient owners and so the clubs won't do a Leeds or Portsmouth.

I meant 100 million inhabitants radius. For English clubs this would mean whole UK + Ireland + some areas in continental Europe. For a Serbian club it would mean the whole extended Balkan region. The current rules discriminates against smaller and less densely populated countries. Furthermore, the current "home trained" rule increases child trafficing.

Regarding the luxury tax. Your proposal is close to current FFP regulation, which tries to prohibit excessive spending to protect clubs from bankruptcy. I am fine with that. My suggestion aims at converging squad costs to gain a broader spread of top players. The rule could be applied additionally. The current elite could still buy players as they like (within FFP), although wages would be inflated artificially. Thus smaller clubs might be better able to compete for top players. Ideally we would have something like 20 top clubs in Europe with a simillar wage budget. Once a sufficent number of teams have catched up upon the current elite, the tax exemption could be increased again.