UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

[DavidDeSchmikes]

Jo Swinson, the Liberal Democrat leader, has suggested once more that her party could amenable to an accord with Labour in a hung parliament, in order to secure a people’s vote, if Jeremy Corbyn stood down after the election.

She told PA Media:

Obviously we don’t know who the personalities would be in that circumstance, but we will obviously take a view on that depending on what circumstance we find ourselves in.

I have been working with people from the Labour party, and people from the Conservative party, and the SNP, and Plaid Cymru, and the Green party to try and stop Brexit and try and secure a people’s vote so that we can remain in the EU. I’ve been doing that for the last couple of years and I will certainly be continuing to do that.

Obviously, Jeremy Corbyn … is completely unfit to be prime minister, as is Boris Johnson for a whole host of different reasons. And so, if Labour are in a situation where they consider that Jeremy Corbyn is no longer fit to lead them, then we will of course look to keep working with people to try and secure a people’s vote

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

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This is some scary shit how easily they have undervalued extremely valuable health data and they are literally donating it to Lucifer.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Firstly, he has no links to IRA terrorism. But he has links to working towards the eventually successful peace process. The fact you describe it any differently demonstrates a problem with our media or your understanding more than a problem with Corbyn.

He supported the aims of the IRA in Irish reunification. McDonnell was so fervent a supporter that he was against the peace process. That's more than enough for a lot of English people. It's a pretty black and white issue for a lot of people in that you don't support - in any way, factions that are murdering innocent people on home soil.

 

[Dobba]

Ah, we've finally reached the time of the election cycle where the Lib Dems say they'll work with Labour if Person X leaves. Was beginning to worry they'd forgotten.

 

[Maticmaker]

Everyday since he became Leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy has woke up pinching himself and wondering how it happened.

Now vast swathes of Labour supporters are also waking up asking the same question

Until everyone in the party answers that question, then Labour will remain in opposition.

 

[Cascarino]

He supported the aims of the IRA in Irish reunification. McDonnell was so fervent a supporter that he was against the peace process. That's more than enough for a lot of English people. It's a pretty black and white issue for a lot of people in that you don't support - in any way, factions that are murdering innocent people on home soil.

Not necessarily aimed at you but a lot of Englishmen have a very biased view about what happened. Largely thanks to the media.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

He supported the aims of the IRA in Irish reunification. McDonnell was so fervent a supporter that he was against the peace process. That's more than enough for a lot of English people. It's a pretty black and white issue for a lot of people in that you don't support - in any way, factions that are murdering innocent people on home soil.

How did he support the aims of the IRA? What exactly do you mean?

 

[Fluctuation0161]

“I don't like Corbyn. Give me one good reason why I should vote for Labour!”

2010-2019, in case you missed it...
1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left teaching.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Not necessarily aimed at you but a lot of Englishmen have a very biased view about what happened. Largely thanks to the media.

Sure, a lot of people care squat for the merits of the argument anyway. All they care about is that the IRA were murdering people on English soil and thus were an enemy.

How did he support the aims of the IRA? What exactly do you mean?

The reunification of Ireland.

 

[Cascarino]

Sure, a lot of people care squat for the merits of the argument anyway. All they care about is that the IRA were murdering people on English soil and thus were an enemy.

Fair point, that’s generally the argument I come across.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

The reunification of Ireland.

Corbyn rejects claims he would push for unified Ireland as PM
He says poll should happen if there is sufficient demand on both sides of border - but he is not ‘advocating’ it
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...laims-he-would-push-for-unified-ireland-as-pm

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Fair point, that’s generally the argument I come across.

I think McDonnell and Corbyn were wrong in supporting the reunification of Ireland anyway. I don't think that was in anyway going to be a road to peace in Northern Ireland. I think the GFA was in the end the only way to bring peace and the eventual reunification of Ireland. It probably will do in some years too I think. If you look at the age demographics in recent polls on the issue its certainly a real possibility now.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Corbyn rejects claims he would push for unified Ireland as PM
He says poll should happen if there is sufficient demand on both sides of border - but he is not ‘advocating’ it
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...laims-he-would-push-for-unified-ireland-as-pm

I was talking about his historic position on it, that's why a lot of English voters with nationalistic tendencies feel him unfit to lead this country, the idea that he supported the aims of a group that they saw as enemies.

 

[Redlambs]

Voting for nobody is a huge gain over voting Tory.

Where I am it's 100% going to be Tory again that way though.

But it was progress I guess

 

[TheGame]

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[altodevil]

“I don't like Corbyn. Give me one good reason why I should vote for Labour!”

2010-2019, in case you missed it...
1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left teaching.

Unclear on brexit - fail

 

[RedSky]

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It's 2019 and this is happening, feck sake.

 

[esmufc07]

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Yes but it's only by having a strong economy that we can invest in the NHS. Labour would wreck our economy, as they do every time they are in government.

 

[RedSky]

Yes but it's only by having a strong economy that we can invest in the NHS. Labour would wreck our economy, as they do every time they are in government.

I can't tell if you're being serious or trolling anymore in here. *shrugs*

 

[horsechoker]

Yes but it's only by having a strong economy that we can invest in the NHS. Labour would wreck our economy, as they do every time they are in government.

They're about to wreck the economy by Brexiting

 

[berbatrick]

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@2cents
Also about your far-right question. I don't personally think this is far-right since I think some version of this is present all through RW politics, but some might consider it far-right.

 

[esmufc07]

I can't tell if you're being serious or trolling anymore in here. *shrugs*

Just trotting out the standard Tory line whenever their record of the NHS is brought up. Sadly many will buy into it.

 

[Eire Red United]

He supported the aims of the IRA in Irish reunification. McDonnell was so fervent a supporter that he was against the peace process. That's more than enough for a lot of English people. It's a pretty black and white issue for a lot of people in that you don't support - in any way, factions that are murdering innocent people on home soil.

I know. MI5 and the British government are allowed to though, right?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I know. MI5 and the British government are allowed to though, right?

Im not looking to get into a debate on the rights and wrongs, only highlighting the perception among that faction of people.

 

[berbatrick]

From whatsapp


Awaken!
The election has come again.
We have to make Boris win.
We have to save this country.
Vote Boris Johnson, vote Boris Johnson.
<i'm too bored to do the rest>

About corbyn:
Recognise this man
Who makes false promises
He puts on a mask
These people must be defeated

______

I'm surprised they didn't call Corbyn a terrorist, and there was only one photo of Boris and Modi.

 

[Damien]

Burgon presents his week's research:

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[Classical Mechanic]

Funnily enough the Tories have a literal ex IRA member in local council in Croydon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Gatland

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

Burgon presents his week's research:

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Potential justice secretary

 

[Damien]

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[DavidDeSchmikes]

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'Portillo' moment

 

[esmufc07]

Burgon presents his week's research:

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He's an actual idiot.

 

[hobbers]

Burgon

Straight out of The Thick of It. Malcolm sends him off to do a special election assignment to keep the imbecile out of the way, but he goes and posts it on twitter.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

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[Fluctuation0161]

General election 2019: Tories probe candidates over anti-Semitism claims

 

[esmufc07]

General election 2019: Tories probe candidates over anti-Semitism claims

It’s just a smear.

 

[Ubik]

Burgon presents his week's research:

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Like Hancock's deductions from the debate

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[esmufc07]

Like Hancock's deductions from the debate

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[T00lsh3d]

Like Hancock's deductions from the debate

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I mean, we take the piss out of Micheal Owen......but this guy’s a politician

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

Like Hancock's deductions from the debate

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If Boris Johnson doesn't win that means he won't be Prime Minister

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

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