United - Blackburn

[Beaucoup]

Dead serious. I think our coaching is poor. Seems to be a trademark of our academy that players are tactically unaware more so than all other major English academies. We put way too much emphasis on individual skill and flare, it’s a tiny component of what makes a top player.

100% correct

 

[Red the Bear]

That's pretty good for an academy!

Well they didn't do us much good, did they

 

[Mr. MUJAC]

You could argue perhaps that that is a failing of our U23s but not the academy. End of the day Pogba left at 19 because he didn't like what the reserve coaches were telling him. Juventus pandered to him and he showed his talent, but like Gerrard before him, he never became the great CM he could have because he wasn't interested in being tactically disciplined and he didn't stick with the right manager(s) to instil it in him. Closer to it though to my mind - won some big trophies in his time and he's not retired yet. Those performances in his World Cup win were more or less the only time in his career he put in a string of tactically disciplined performances in a row and showed what his top level was IMO.

The major reason Pogba left was that he/his agent wanted a guaranteed number of first team games.

Ferguson wouldn't agree to it.

So he decided to leave.

 

[Mickson]

The major reason Pogba left was that he/his agent wanted a guaranteed number of first team games.

Ferguson wouldn't agree to it.

So he decided to leave.

The major reason he left was that he wanted to play more and felt that he was good enough, which he was, Fergie made a mistake playing Rafael and Park as a CM against Blackburn in a game we lost. Ferguson was desperate to keep him and offered him a good contract, a contract he refused to sign and then left on a free, a good decision by him.

 

[TwoSheds]

The major reason he left was that he wanted to play more and felt that he was good enough, which he was, Fergie made a mistake playing Rafael and Park as a CM against Blackburn in a game we lost. Ferguson was desperate to keep him and offered him a good contract, a contract he refused to sign and then left on a free, a good decision by him.

He wasn't good enough though. He was supremely talented but wasn't working hard enough on his weaknesses. Fergie wanted him to stay and work on them, he wanted to go. Well that's the way I saw it anyway.

 

[mat85]

The major reason he left was that he wanted to play more and felt that he was good enough, which he was, Fergie made a mistake playing Rafael and Park as a CM against Blackburn in a game we lost. Ferguson was desperate to keep him and offered him a good contract, a contract he refused to sign and then left on a free, a good decision by him.

I think if anything it looks like ferguson was right

 

[limerickcitykid]

He wasn't good enough though. He was supremely talented but wasn't working hard enough on his weaknesses. Fergie wanted him to stay and work on them, he wanted to go. Well that's the way I saw it anyway.

You’re right. Fletcher has talked about how the club didn’t trust Pogba to be disciplined enough to play in midfield for the reserves let alone the first team. Over 10 years later and he still isn’t disciplined enough to do it so they were spot on.

The only mistake ever made in his saga is bringing him back.

 

[Mr. MUJAC]

The major reason he left was that he wanted to play more and felt that he was good enough, which he was, Fergie made a mistake playing Rafael and Park as a CM against Blackburn in a game we lost. Ferguson was desperate to keep him and offered him a good contract, a contract he refused to sign and then left on a free, a good decision by him.

Maybe Ferguson made a mistake and maybe he didn't.

Every player thinks he is ready. But given his young age at the time, I don't understand why not playing in one game was such a big issue. He played in subsequent games without any problem. If his mindset at that time was to sulk and leave then Ferguson was right to not play him. The fact that he left was also down to him/his agent wanting a guaranteed number of games.

No argument it was the right decision for him. The slow Italian game suited his style completely.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You could argue perhaps that that is a failing of our U23s but not the academy. End of the day Pogba left at 19 because he didn't like what the reserve coaches were telling him. Juventus pandered to him and he showed his talent, but like Gerrard before him, he never became the great CM he could have because he wasn't interested in being tactically disciplined and he didn't stick with the right manager(s) to instil it in him. Closer to it though to my mind - won some big trophies in his time and he's not retired yet. Those performances in his World Cup win were more or less the only time in his career he put in a string of tactically disciplined performances in a row and showed what his top level was IMO.

Not to mention the extreme good fortune of playing alongside Kante. A midfielder who does so much fetching and carrying for his team he got an average CM like Danny Drinkwater a PL medal and a big money move to Chelsea.

 

[lysglimt]

You can't coach attitude unless it serious one-to-one stuff. Once he went to Raiola that ship had sailed. He probably needed a mentor of some sort at the club.

Morrison not making it was never a coaching issue...the boy was/is emotionally damaged.

Spot on

 

[Mickson]

I think if anything it looks like ferguson was right

Yes, but not in the way that you think. He wanted him to stay, which obviously was logical considering how good he turned out to be.