United's biggest problem - Our spoiled and overly entitled fan base

devilish said:
You mean the stadium whose roof was leaking? Also aren't these expenses similar at other clubs as well? So how on earth we are struggling despite our huge turnover while they are not?

Seriously mate, Half of my family are accountants some of whom are excellent in what they do. You'll be amazed how creative they can be in terms of listing things as expenses.

Returning to salaries, why are we giving deadwood long term contracts? Why don't we get rid of them in the first place? Maybe because we're reluctant to replace them?
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I don’t doubt that thier is a lot of creative accounting going on, but the Turn over has to be made public.
We know we have a 300 plus million wage bill, Spent around 80million net on transfers have a few thousand people to pay and running and logistical costs. They arn’t going to be walking away with hundreds of millions.

As for why we are paying deadwood simply that Woodward is absolutely awful at squad building.
 
The fans have done nothing wrong, it has been six years and the club seems to have lost its compass. We have a lot of payers who shouldn't be here, at the same time two summer windows have passed and the team do not have any star player to address major issues.

Yes there are some fans who may not show respect to some players but let us not use "spoiled fan base". Spoiled means getting something you deserve but wanting more. We finished sixth and we expect the club to take care of some issues. Nobody is expecting Neymar to come but we lost 2 midifields & 1 striker without any replacement. Once the games starts, I will support the team but the club office has to feel the heat!!!
 
TheReligion said:
Alot of the fan base have become a disgrace. Luckily most will move on to support someone else and likely have never visited Old Trafford so won't be missed!
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If all people who never visited OT move on and start supporting another club you can say goodbye to any chance of getting back to the top in the forseeable future. This large number of fans is precisely why we are at the top of most income charts and can get those lucrative sponsorship deals.
 
We have the most fans in the world, don't we?

So it makes sense that we have the most idiots.
 
We spent the past 6 seasons spending ridiculous amounts of money on exotic expensive foreign signings in a scatter gun approach and it clearly hasn’t worked for us. Irrespective of the need for a permanent technical director, I for one am pleased to see a change in strategy to one focused on home grow academy players and/or specific long term targets and I’m convinced it’s the right way forward in order for the club to get back to the very top and bring a smile back to the supporters faces.
 
Wow. I never thought that the Man United fanbase was that negative. We have not Officially played one second of Football and some have already given up on the team. I've always been proud of our fanbase but lately been a bit disappointed by some. Yes for now our best years are behind us but we should continue to support our team. We win together, We Lose Together!!! United we stand. United for life. Cheers guys
 
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The problem is our fans are obsessed with signings, when in truth the more critical thing for United is our style and philosophy (which has been turgid since Fergie retired). I sometimes wonder whether some fans get most of their enjoyment from merely signing the likes of Di Maria and Falcao, irrespective of performances or fit.

The United fanbase are turning into the Liverpool fanbase pre-Klopp in my view; obsessed with bringing new players in and when they did it was "100% our year" and when they didn't it was "our owners are to blame".

Ole for me has been a mirror of Klopp at the start of his Liverpool tenure. They were not the most ambitious from a signings point of view, but what they did set the foundations for a team that would be successful in 2-3 years time. They got rid of players who didn't suit his philosophy (Benteke vs Lukaku, Allen vs Fellaini, Skrtel vs hopefully Rojo) and brought in players who weren't like for like but did suit how he wanted to play. Firmino moved centrally to replace Benteke; just like Rashford will play solely centrally to replace Lukaku.

Liverpool fans likewise had no clue where their goals were coming from. Liverpool's front three in the league on paper had a 10 goal a season player in Firmino (see Rashford), a 10 goal a year player in Mane (see Martial) and a 5 goal a season player in Origi/Lallana (see Lingard). Despite that they scored 13 goals more than we did last season and conceded 12 less, with a much worse defence. That was because they started to have a cohesiveness that you can't quantify on paper. When you're playing with this cohesion goals will come - Can, Milner, Wijnaldum and Lallana scored 26 PL goals between them that year... Who'd have tallied that up on paper on 9th August 2016? It's absolutely possible for McTominay, James, Greenwood & Fred achieve the same in a similarly functioning team (with Martial/Rashford at 15 each and the remaining 20-25 goals split between Pogba, Mata, Maguire, Lingard).

It's worth remembering that in Klopp's first season Liverpool finished 8th, despite being in charge for 90% of the season. Ole finished 6th despite inheriting a similarly poor team with less time to turn it around. Since then they've added 2-3 players each season that aren't just available names, they're specifically the player the manager wanted and if the player wasn't available, he was prepared to wait. When Van Dijk wasn't available he didn't bring in Michael Keane or David Luiz. He knew who he needed and overpaid several months later to get his man. I can see a similar situation occurring with Ole waiting for Sancho rather than bringing in Fernandes/Dybala for big money where either their heart isn't in it or style isn't what we need.
 
It's just football. Even when we were winning fans moaned. The people we now hold up as club legends people moaned about them when they were playing....
 
Nytram Shakes said:
Then they shouldn't of been given new contracts. Jones signed in January, Rojo signed when he was not even close to recovering from an injury that has ended lots of career who few return from and match the same standard.

Again it just adds to the complete mess that has been the management of the football side of the business.
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I don't disagree with this point. We were talking about the specifics of this window so it was more with that context in mind.
 
SaintMuppet said:
It’s not really your choice though is it?

You can not accept it but it will still happen.
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Wumminator said:
You won’t have to.
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My point is, I don’t care if I’m “entitled” if I complain about not hitting the standards contrary to your OP.

I don’t like the Twitter fan base but I have every right to complain about falling below what is expected of the club.
 
Club advertise itself as biggest club in the world. Fans are target audiences. I don't think it's entitled

What the heck do you expect? "A humble loss to mighty Cardiff but we're looking forward to next season" would a biggest club the world ever say that?

We'll become mediocre when fans accept the mediocrity. This should not happen
 
The club isn't meeting expectations. We are one of the biggest clubs in the world, one of the wealthiest and one that generates a lot of turnover.
With all the above surely reaching the top 4 should be a bare minimum. Fighting for the title should be the expectation by the club and fans.

This isn't about sacking the manager if we don't win the league. This isn't about wanting a £100m new player every summer. But if there are holes in the squad they need to rectified and a club the size of United it shouldn't need 6 years for a rebuild. We needed a CB last season, we had to wait another year to sort that (and pay £20m for the same player!). At the same we have lost two CM and a striker and now will have to wait until next season to sort that. What next? De Gea hasn't renewed his contract yet so once midfield is sorted we will need a new goalkeeper by then.

I see a club doing everything wrong and there is a lot of fans that seem happy with the 'progress'. Everything is reactive rather than proactive and nothing has changed in 6 years since Sir Alex has gone. Liverpool fans are happy with Klopp because they could see progress from day one even if they had bumps along the way. I just don't see that at this club because the tools are not being provided to the manager to get the best out of this team.

If we really did have a budget of £100m why blow nearly all of that on one player? That has happened 3 times in 5 years. I don't see Man City needing to spend that amount each time on one player. Both their signings this season were £60m and would walk straight into our team. They buy 2/3 players at £50m-£60m every season, something we could certainly do with competent management who can negotiate. Liverpool and Spurs have managed to produce far better squad with less money.

So far this summer we have strengthened one area of the pitch and weakened two. That isn't progress.

No director of football and Woodward still negotiating inflated transfer fees and wages no other club would offer, that isn't progress.

Expecting 5 youth players to come in and manage to make an impact in their first full season as professional footballers. No other elite club would want to do that or needs to.

There is no progress and that's why I moan and complain about the way the club is run. If that is being a spoilt fan then label me one. I'm sure as the season goes on, we get few a injuries and results start to spiral a few more will start moaning and groaning.
 
If you think your fans are bad guys. Imagine the Algerians!! Then went crazy when we wouldn’t sell Mahrez on the cheap last year! With their silly #FreeMahrez hashtags on Twitter.

Every club has crazy fans. Twitter just allows them to voice their opinion to the masses.
 
I'm disappointed we didn't get a Matic replacement, but overall I agree with not getting players who only want to be here for the money or who just won't be committed to us. I don't know why some people have a problem with this.

We make a lot of money but we've also pissed away quite a lot on dross or players that aren't a good fit. Let's take our time.

One thing though, the negativity from fans is counter productive. We really need to curb this tendency and just see how things go. I don't want our young players coming into too much of a toxic atmosphere. We as fans need to just chill out a bit because we're not helping by being so negative.
 
The title of the thread is bullshit, we are about to go into a 7th season with no hope of even competing for a major trophy nevermind winning one. The Glazers make a fortune out of the club but we don't even have a team capable of even entering a title race let alone winning it. Wanting a team that is at least in the hunt each season is not spoiled for a club that generates the profit ours does.
 
Devil may care said:
The title of the thread is bullshit, we are about to go into a 7th season with no hope of even competing for a major trophy nevermind winning one. The Glazers make a fortune out of the club but we don't even have a team capable of even entering a title race let alone winning it. Wanting a team that is at least in the hunt each season is not spoiled for a club that generates the profit ours does.
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No hope of winning a major trophy.
 
I do not think we are going to win the Europa League this season.
 
I'm concerned about the disrespect towards former players here. The very same ones who took United to the absolute zenith of football.

Wonder if they've ever seen them play.
 
finneh said:
The problem is our fans are obsessed with signings, when in truth the more critical thing for United is our style and philosophy (which has been turgid since Fergie retired). I sometimes wonder whether some fans get most of their enjoyment from merely signing the likes of Di Maria and Falcao, irrespective of performances or fit.

The United fanbase are turning into the Liverpool fanbase pre-Klopp in my view; obsessed with bringing new players in and when they did it was "100% our year" and when they didn't it was "our owners are to blame".

Ole for me has been a mirror of Klopp at the start of his Liverpool tenure. They were not the most ambitious from a signings point of view, but what they did set the foundations for a team that would be successful in 2-3 years time. They got rid of players who didn't suit his philosophy (Benteke vs Lukaku, Allen vs Fellaini, Skrtel vs hopefully Rojo) and brought in players who weren't like for like but did suit how he wanted to play. Firmino moved centrally to replace Benteke; just like Rashford will play solely centrally to replace Lukaku.

Liverpool fans likewise had no clue where their goals were coming from. Liverpool's front three in the league on paper had a 10 goal a season player in Firmino (see Rashford), a 10 goal a year player in Mane (see Martial) and a 5 goal a season player in Origi/Lallana (see Lingard). Despite that they scored 13 goals more than we did last season and conceded 12 less, with a much worse defence. That was because they started to have a cohesiveness that you can't quantify on paper. When you're playing with this cohesion goals will come - Can, Milner, Wijnaldum and Lallana scored 26 PL goals between them that year... Who'd have tallied that up on paper on 9th August 2016? It's absolutely possible for McTominay, James, Greenwood & Fred achieve the same in a similarly functioning team (with Martial/Rashford at 15 each and the remaining 20-25 goals split between Pogba, Mata, Maguire, Lingard).

It's worth remembering that in Klopp's first season Liverpool finished 8th, despite being in charge for 90% of the season. Ole finished 6th despite inheriting a similarly poor team with less time to turn it around. Since then they've added 2-3 players each season that aren't just available names, they're specifically the player the manager wanted and if the player wasn't available, he was prepared to wait. When Van Dijk wasn't available he didn't bring in Michael Keane or David Luiz. He knew who he needed and overpaid several months later to get his man. I can see a similar situation occurring with Ole waiting for Sancho rather than bringing in Fernandes/Dybala for big money where either their heart isn't in it or style isn't what we need.
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Good post. Interesting view and points.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
Good post. Interesting view and points.
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Started shite so didn't bother with the rest. Anyone who thinks not replacing herrera was a good move is an absolute mad man and shouldn't be listened to on matters of well, anything.

Relying on the kids is suicide.
 
Don’t talk shit, the biggest problem with Man United is the Glazers and Woodward end of.

I’ve said it many times united are going nowhere under this current regime and we won’t be winning major trophies any time soon. Stop kidding yourselves, the Glazers couldn’t give a flying feck what they win just what goes in their pockets take an in depth look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers - how depressing.

The club is rotten to the core and that’s all down to these parasitises. Ole will be the fall guy come Xmas and the ‘merry go round’ starts again.

LUHG
 
How on Earth is our fan base spoilt or overly entitled? It seems to me that we are, in fact, overly patient and too tolerant to mediocrity.
 
nokillingmoths said:
Started shite so didn't bother with the rest. Anyone who thinks not replacing herrera was a good move is an absolute mad man and shouldn't be listened to on matters of well, anything.

Relying on the kids is suicide.
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A) No-one that I'm aware of has stated that not replacing Herrera was a good move (I thought he was our best midfielder in terms of actual consistent performances).

B) If Ole's main choices weren't available... Do you think he should have bought any available midfielder ala Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Blind or Fellaini? Or do you think if he feels the right midfielder will be available in January for example it would be worth waiting 5 months?

I'm guessing if you were a Liverpool fan in August 2017 you'd have been the type wishing you signed David Luiz for £35m, rather than waiting 5 months for VVD.
 
OP's suggestion is like saying the biggest problem with Dawn of Justice was the audience.
 
What style and Philosophy? Load of crap. You cannot play with any style with 11 frogs on the pitch. I am not saying the players are but to show that we need the players capable of playing that sort of style and footballing philosophy. I have never heard of anything called United style. We have only one style and that is the winning style. We win at least in the past. Right now we play crap football and lose too.
The fans of the biggest club in certainly UK can expect the club to be run successfully on the pitch. Having Matic, Mata and Fred and McTominay in midfield is not exactly a winning combination when compared to the rest of the league. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to know that.
 
nokillingmoths said:
Started shite so didn't bother with the rest. Anyone who thinks not replacing herrera was a good move is an absolute mad man and shouldn't be listened to on matters of well, anything.

Relying on the kids is suicide.
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Strange post. The post I quoted doesn’t mention Herrera as far as I can see and certainly doesn’t state what you are implying here. Perhaps you should have read it after all.
 
Fanbase biggest in the whole world. How many different oppinens? We love United? cmon United, great future!!
 
finneh said:
The United fanbase are turning into the Liverpool fanbase pre-Klopp in my view; obsessed with bringing new players in and when they did it was "100% our year" and when they didn't it was "our owners are to blame".
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I don't think anyone thinks its going to be our year.
But yes I agree Liverpool were patient with Klopp and he had one long extended honeymoon with the press. I believe Ole wont get this honeymoon but I do believe him to be the better guy and to get us into the top 4. That will do me. Then, as you say, getting one or two key players should bring us into a position where we can challenge.
 
finneh said:
The problem is our fans are obsessed with signings, when in truth the more critical thing for United is our style and philosophy (which has been turgid since Fergie retired). I sometimes wonder whether some fans get most of their enjoyment from merely signing the likes of Di Maria and Falcao, irrespective of performances or fit.

The United fanbase are turning into the Liverpool fanbase pre-Klopp in my view; obsessed with bringing new players in and when they did it was "100% our year" and when they didn't it was "our owners are to blame".

Ole for me has been a mirror of Klopp at the start of his Liverpool tenure. They were not the most ambitious from a signings point of view, but what they did set the foundations for a team that would be successful in 2-3 years time. They got rid of players who didn't suit his philosophy (Benteke vs Lukaku, Allen vs Fellaini, Skrtel vs hopefully Rojo) and brought in players who weren't like for like but did suit how he wanted to play. Firmino moved centrally to replace Benteke; just like Rashford will play solely centrally to replace Lukaku.

Liverpool fans likewise had no clue where their goals were coming from. Liverpool's front three in the league on paper had a 10 goal a season player in Firmino (see Rashford), a 10 goal a year player in Mane (see Martial) and a 5 goal a season player in Origi/Lallana (see Lingard). Despite that they scored 13 goals more than we did last season and conceded 12 less, with a much worse defence. That was because they started to have a cohesiveness that you can't quantify on paper. When you're playing with this cohesion goals will come - Can, Milner, Wijnaldum and Lallana scored 26 PL goals between them that year... Who'd have tallied that up on paper on 9th August 2016? It's absolutely possible for McTominay, James, Greenwood & Fred achieve the same in a similarly functioning team (with Martial/Rashford at 15 each and the remaining 20-25 goals split between Pogba, Mata, Maguire, Lingard).

It's worth remembering that in Klopp's first season Liverpool finished 8th, despite being in charge for 90% of the season. Ole finished 6th despite inheriting a similarly poor team with less time to turn it around. Since then they've added 2-3 players each season that aren't just available names, they're specifically the player the manager wanted and if the player wasn't available, he was prepared to wait. When Van Dijk wasn't available he didn't bring in Michael Keane or David Luiz. He knew who he needed and overpaid several months later to get his man. I can see a similar situation occurring with Ole waiting for Sancho rather than bringing in Fernandes/Dybala for big money where either their heart isn't in it or style isn't what we need.
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I think the Ole/Klopp comparison is a stretch, but other than that I agree. Our fans are way too obsessed with signings.
 
Harry190 said:
I'm concerned about the disrespect towards former players here. The very same ones who took United to the absolute zenith of football.

Wonder if they've ever seen them play.
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I'm concerned with posturing which ignores the very real problems with the club and tries to lay the blame of the current state of play at the feet of fans who have every right to be disappointed and pessimistic of this publicly listed company formerly known as a football club.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
Strange post. The post I quoted doesn’t mention Herrera as far as I can see and certainly doesn’t state what you are implying here. Perhaps you should have read it after all.
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The point was that post states people just want signings. My point was that what we want is for the squad to be properly refreshed when we lose good players. Do you really believe there were no midfielders available better than fred, matic and pereira?
 
nokillingmoths said:
The point was that post states people just want signings. My point was that what we want is for the squad to be properly refreshed when we lose good players. Do you really believe there were no midfielders available better than fred, matic and pereira?
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The post wasn’t mainly anout that though. As you expressly stated you that you didn’t read it, I understand how you missed the rest.
 
The fanbase is not entitled, we are the most respectful set of fans a club can ever have mainly because a lot of people criticised sir Alex at the beginning of his reign and learned to understand genius and we were wrong.

We are no longer watching genius, we are watching clowns at all levels of the club (Ole excepted as none of this is his mess)

Any fans of a club our size in Europe would not accept going into the season with a strike force of Rashford, miserable martial, untried greenwood and a player we tried pawning off on Roma if stories are true so one or 2 injuries we are fecked.

When we were at our pomp Cole, York, Ole and teddie, or Rooney, Ronaldo and tevez there were still Greenwood’s in the background just in case, now greenwood is our back up.

Entitled is wrong to call anyone who isn’t impressed, we are disillusioned and I used to be the most positive fan back in the day predicting ten straight wins around the corner.

Ten wins this season is more likely.
 
To be fair, a lot of internet fans come across as illiterate nutcases, irrespective of who they support. Match going fans have been incredibly sedate on the whole.
 
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