E-mal
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Idiotic post.Closet City fan talking bollox
You're deluded if you think both are not technically better and in fact positionally better than AWB.
Idiotic post.Closet City fan talking bollox
It's delusion to suggest otherwise. I'd wager Cancelo is even better technically and positionally.Walker being better surely isn’t up for debate
Not usuallyOf all the exciting things a footballer can do on a pitch, this is for you ?
Is it too much to ask for an overlap run every now and then? It was one of Ferguson’s main attacking threats. Now Liverpool and City do it.Full backs aren’t there to “take on” the other full back. How many other teams do you think do this as a tactic? If you’re talking about running onto a through ball behind the defender then fine, but squaring up a defender 1v1 and trying to use skill to get past? It’s not going to happen often.
That’s one example over a 50 game plus season. He doesn’t do it enough.Does taking on Willian count for the assist he got for Martial's goal at Stamford Bridge?
Nonsense, both Cancelo & Walker have contributed virtually feck all in attacking stats in one of the most offensive teams in world football, plus AWB is by far the better defender, Cancelo is utterly useless in his own half and most City fans don't have many positive things to say about Walker.It's delusion to suggest otherwise. I'd wager Cancelo is even better technically and positionally.
Ricardo went for half the price and is better.
So you moved the goal posts from never to not enough. Gotcha.That’s one example over a 50 game plus season. He doesn’t do it enough.
How many assists did Walker get this season?It's delusion to suggest otherwise. I'd wager Cancelo is even better technically and positionally.
Ricardo went for half the price and is better.
How much more attacking is Walker in your perception versus Wan Bissaka?That’s one example over a 50 game plus season. He doesn’t do it enough.
AWB is always getting to the byline?Is it too much to ask for an overlap run every now and then? It was one of Ferguson’s main attacking threats. Now Liverpool and City do it.
That’s very different to taking someone on 1v1. By the time he runs onto the ball, he should be ahead of the defender and in a position to cross first time. Our problem for years was slinging the ball to Valencia and expecting him to beat him man from a standing start, and AWB has the same issues.Is it too much to ask for an overlap run every now and then? It was one of Ferguson’s main attacking threats. Now Liverpool and City do it.
There's a lot more to being a defender than tackling stats, and there's a lot more to being a competent part of the attack than assist stats.How many assists did Walker get this season?
4
How many did Wan Bissaka get.
4
Walker is no attacking don.
He has so many glaring negatives, and literally one positive attribute - 1v1 defending - to 'balance' it out."When their right-back [AWB] gets the ball that is a trigger for us to press. You can see clearly that he isn't comfortable touching the ball and he wants to release it desperately so you can make him give it up with any pressure."
Taking never as a literal term and used one example to prove your argument. Gotcha.So you moved the goal posts from never to not enough. Gotcha.
We aren’t effective with it on either wing. Watching most games this season. The ball goes wide to say Rashford or Greenwood. How many times does the ball then go to Shaw or AWB to cross the ball in? To me even if they offer that run it doesn’t go to them but recycled back to midfield. Wan Bissaka’s crossing is also poor, just like Shaw.AWB is always getting to the byline?
Is that quote from Hassenhuttl real? Quite telling if it is.There's a lot more to being a defender than tackling stats, and there's a lot more to being a competent part of the attack than assist stats.
Wan-Bissaka is so uncomfortable in possession that teams have - very visibly - began to target him as a pressing trigger. Southampton in particular did it very well, and since then every team we've played has done it to some degree. Chelsea in the Cup semi-final were another team who did it very well.
From /r/SaintsFC, Ralph Hassenhuttl talking about that match:
He has so many glaring negatives, and literally one positive attribute - 1v1 defending - to 'balance' it out.
It's posted on the /r/SaintsFC Free Talk thread after our match (14th July). A German poster translates a post-match interview he did. It's the second most upvoted post in the thread.Is that quote from Hassenhuttl real? Quite telling if it is.
It's not about the assist man, AWB makes it easy for us to be pressed in our half. His awkwardness and lack of composure in possession is being targeted and is not to tier quality.How many assists did Walker get this season?
4
How many did Wan Bissaka get.
4
Walker is no attacking don.
Sigh. The point which others have managed to suss was sometimes it takes time for young players to put everything together at United. AWB is still young still learning. If he were 26 then the criticism levied at him would be understandable but even then a lot of it is rubbish.Are we really comparing Evra to AWB now? Jesus wept. Hahahahaahaha
We were a world class team under Evra. This season we went into the final game of the season where 5th place was still very possible finish for us. AWB is nowhere near as good as Evra was and never will be.
Thank you.I mean....he didn't compare AWB and Evra.
He said Evra had a slow start, which is true.
He said AWB will be fine, which is true.
"Jesus wept. Hahahahahhahahahah" seems a bit OTT.
Yup.I think the point he's making if you bothered to engage in a measured conversation is that good full backs don't necessarily need to be as attack minded and post numbers like Trent and Robertson. Those boys are rewriting the script in a team that plays a different system.
There's no denying AWB needs to improve in attack, and he's shown signs of it. In fact when he does decide to go forward with conviction, he does ok. He's been in Crystal Palace where the priority for full backs was heavily towards defending, with coaching he'll improve.
Unsure what the team Evra played in has to do with anything, Evra was a brilliant player - world class fullback in my opinion, that doesn't mean if he was in this team, we'd have done any better. He's just one player (different position anyway), and this team was crying out for a fullback that could actually defend as our numbers will show.
A team is more than the sum of it's individuals. Lest you forget, the likes of Anderson and Cleverly played quite a bit in the team you refer to.
AWB is always crossing it in. Greenwood is the one who never crosses, they use his movement to come inside and for AWB to get to the byline.We aren’t effective with it on either wing. Watching most games this season. The ball goes wide to say Rashford or Greenwood. How many times does the ball then go to Shaw or AWB to cross the ball in? To me even if they offer that run it doesn’t go to them but recycled back to midfield. Wan Bissaka’s crossing is also poor, just like Shaw.
The pair of them are not great in attacking situations. That’s my opinion. The question is whether either can improve that side of their game.
It is quite something! I think quite a few have noticed, he is similar to Smalling like that, but that a PL coach actually say it outloud?! Wow!It's posted on the /r/SaintsFC Free Talk thread after our match (14th July). A German poster translates a post-match interview he did. It's the second most upvoted post in the thread.
Still in the newbie system so my post is blocked when I try to link it directly.
That's very telling if Hassenhuttl said that about him.It's posted on the /r/SaintsFC Free Talk thread after our match (14th July). A German poster translates a post-match interview he did. It's the second most upvoted post in the thread.
Still in the newbie system so my post is blocked when I try to link it directly.
Not sold on Bissaka. He's slow witted, hasn't shown a keen defensive awareness, is poor on the ball and doesn't offer much offensively. Tackling doesn't excite me, this is not the NFL.The poor guy had been here for about 12 weeks before this thread was set up. Nuts.
He’s 22 and he does his main job, defending, very well. Yes he had a bit of a mare on Sunday but he’ll get better over the next 2 - 3 seasons I’m sure, I can’t remember the last full back that’s had me salivating over tackles. He’s fast, good engine and has a never say die attitude, e could be in our team for years and I doubt very much it will be his fault if we don’t win a trophy soon.
AWB also had twice the amount of crosses this season. I don't think Walker's final ball is great, but he's an effective outlet and good passer which means he doesn't break down attacks and contributes to the build up play and is a threat down the right hand side.How many assists did Walker get this season?
4
How many did Wan Bissaka get.
4
Walker is no attacking don.
No shit.Tackling doesn't excite me, this is not the NFL.
So what happened since?No shit.
As for not showing ‘a keen defensive awareness’, you’ve watched him play right? In between his debut and lockdown you could count the times he slipped up defensively on one hand, Raheem Sterling would disagree with you I’m sure.
How would I know? But he wasn’t alone, Bruno and Rashford have also come back not firing in all cylinders. I mean if he’s still not in the game when the new season kicks off then there’s something to worry about.So what happened since?
Bruno has been performing, though you could see he's fatigued. His sharpness will recover.How would I know? But he wasn’t alone, Bruno and Rashford have also come back not firing in all cylinders. I mean if he’s still not in the game when the new season kicks off then there’s something to worry about.