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https://www.culturefaith.com/acfi-s...-about-the-ideology-gap-separating-americans/

The most alarming result, according to Barna, was that four out of every ten adults say they prefer socialism to capitalism. “That is a large minority – and it includes a majority of the liberals – who will be pushing for a completely different economic model to dominate our nation. That is the stuff of civil wars. It ought to set off alarm bells among more traditionally-oriented leaders across the nation.”

The most perplexing result, in Barna’s eyes, was that two-thirds of liberals said they support traditional moral values. “This is a group among whom three-fourths support same-sex marriage, seven out of ten advocate legalized abortion, a majority want socialism to replace capitalism, three out of four claim that all people are basically good, and nearly one out of five claim to be LGBT. It’s hard to imagine which ‘traditional moral values’ they are referring to. This oddity does, however, reflect how the ideological Left consistently appropriates language and imputes new meaning to terms that are known and popular. The survey data raise the possibility that liberals may redefine ‘traditional moral values’ to include beliefs and behaviors that are not at all traditional – or moral, from a biblical perspective.
I get why conservative Christians hate the rest....but the bolded stuff? Does Eve eating the apple mean that people are inherently bad, and is assuming the worst of everyone a traditional moral value?
 

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Anyone else think switching parties shouldn't be permitted when one is still in office?

That said, I think the Dems fecked themselves knowing this asshat's prior history. But it was a complete con job by Jimbo.

Here's TYT take on Jimbo's return to GOP. Look at the nutjobs in the background. It's like someone scoring a goal for the home side.

 

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Anyone else think switching parties shouldn't be permitted when one is still in office?

That said, I think the Dems fecked themselves knowing this asshat's prior history. But it was a complete con job by Jimbo.

Here's TYT take on Jimbo's return to GOP. Look at the nutjobs in the background. It's like someone scoring a goal for the home side.

I think anyone should be able to switch parties. It works both ways in that regard. Lincoln Chafee switched a few years ago which helped the Dems.
 

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You're correct. She has zero credentials to run for President as she only just got elected to the Senate. And trust me, she's no Obama.
Rumor is she banged Willie Brown when she was younger. Like how power hungry do you have to be?
 

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i'm anti kamala but isn't one of the lessons of 2016 that no one gives a shit about credentials and qualifications?
I thought the lesson of 2016 was that the electorate is not ready for ambitious, power hungry women to run the country. ;)
 
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So, Deval Patrick - anyone know anything about him? Rumours that Obama is pushing him to run for 2020.
 

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So, Deval Patrick - anyone know anything about him? Rumours that Obama is pushing him to run for 2020.
he currently works at bain capital, the company romney founded, so he's exactly the sort of guy to turn out the left wing voters and disaffected members of the obama coalition who see both parties as corporate stooges with differing social platforms
 

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https://doi.org/10.1093/poq/nfx023


Authoritarianism and Affective Polarization: A New View on the Origins of Partisan Extremism
https://doi.org/10.1093/poq/nfx023

Abstract
What drives affective polarization in American politics? One common argument is that Democrats and Republicans are deeply polarized today because they are psychologically different—motivated by diametrically opposed and clashing worldviews. This paper argues that the same psychological motivation—authoritarianism—is positively related to partisan extremism among both Republicans and Democrats. Across four studies, this paper shows that authoritarianism is associated with strong partisanship and heightened affective polarization among both Republicans and Democrats. Thus, strong Republicans and Democrats are psychologically similar, at least with respect to authoritarianism. As authoritarianism provides an indicator of underlying needs to belong, these findings support a view of mass polarization as nonsubstantive and group-centric, not driven by competing ideological values or clashing psychological worldviews.
Fits well with the idea that most people see politics like sport: support your team. It doesn't explain how one picks a team in the first place; so ideology/content might still matter. I suspect in quite different ways than people imagine.
 

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https://www.propublica.org/article/the-myth-of-drug-expiration-dates

Here is another reason why healthcare is so expensive. The positive: thats an issue that shouldn't divide people along partisan lines.
Drug expiration dates are very often way too conservative, which means drugs worth many billions have to be thrown away each year. Take the numbers with a huge pinch of salt. They are almost certainly exaggerated. Still, there is a lot of money to be saved. It's also a good example how regulatory institutions unintentionally create incentives that create massive waste.
 

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Sweden waste hundreds of millions of dollars on expired medicine that is perfectly good each year so I would assume that the US would be in high number of billions. The defense have medicine storage where they test the medicines in labs every year and they are sometimes stored decades longer than expiry date.
 

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Sweden waste hundreds of millions of dollars on expired medicine that is perfectly good each year so I would assume that the US would be in high number of billions. The defense have medicine storage where they test the medicines in labs every year and they are sometimes stored decades longer than expiry date.
We waste meds in the military. I was given meds for Malaria as precaution to possibly going to Africa despite going to Germany (due the theater operation, the site I went to had command over Africa). "Just in case" per the doc per mandate. A healthcare admin officer told me those pills cost about $5 each which means my bottle cost $500 - and I never used them. They inevitably get trashed after return stateside.
 

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Test African Americans in Louisiana had to pass to be allowed to register to vote before the Voting Rights Act was passed -


This is the difference getting rid of it made....


After the disastrous and shameful decision by SCOTUS...this is what has happened in a short span of time - exclusion and suppression


 

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The no-hoper challenging Paul Ryan's deep red district had an AMA:
I am Randy Bryce (the Iron Stache) - Candidate for Wisconsin's First Congressional District - AMA self.SandersForPresident

I pretty much climaxed at this exchange:
How do you feel about military interventions? -I'm with Rep. Barbara Lee on this.

Edit: He is a member of the exact class Trump targeted with some success, and not just does he have a progressive economic agenda, he is also pro-choice, pro-BLM and anti-deportations.
Bernie and his movement, including the white working class people who support him (bros?), are not the incurable racists/sexists that the centrist Dems portray them as.
 

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Trump and McConnell's candidate Luther Strange came 2nd in the GOP primary.


 

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Trump and McConnell's candidate Luther Strange came 2nd in the GOP primary.


Guardian did some good reporting on this. All the candidates are awful*, but the guy who came 3rd was part of the Rand Paul/Cruz Freedom Caucus, and would have been an extra headache for Mitch.

*even by republican standards, they are Bad.
 

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I've been seeing some twitter comments about Bernie possibly doing 2020.
Unanimous negative. This is from Democrats.
I'm not sure this is a online PUMA-style thing, or whether it will be picked up in the next polls.
 

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Guardian did some good reporting on this. All the candidates are awful*, but the guy who came 3rd was part of the Rand Paul/Cruz Freedom Caucus, and would have been an extra headache for Mitch.

*even by republican standards, they are Bad.

Moore is worried about communities being under Shariah law in Indiana and Illinois :lol: :houllier:

 

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the 'Socialist' boogey man has long gone. We are no longer in the 50s 60s or 70s.
He was clearly resonating with common sense living wages, education and universal health care.
And he was not bankrolled by Big business. That was important then and now.
While she was highly distrusted and disliked.

It is important to note that Perez was very cagey when she was mentioned as a candidate again.
She is Done.
Yep. Sanders did very well in explaining his views in simple terms, so that the average American could understand what he was for.

Not sure if you watched the town hall a few months ago in McDowell County in West Virginia which heavily voted Trump. He got Trump supporters on his side with plenty of applause at the end.

 

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Much of the US fear Sharia law and do believe it's happening in various parts of the US, obviously driven by the likes of Fox News, hate talk radio, and politicians. Oklahoma passed a bill a while back that makes it illegal in the state, as if it would ever have been passed to begin with. Pandering to their Christian nutters no doubt.

Here's a list of bills introduced and enacted banning Sharia Law - https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/08/anti-sharia-law-bills-united-states