Proceeds by providing a picture that shows why it isn't a red.This is why it's a red, you can't fly in with with a stretched leg and studs showing like this even if you get the ball.
VAR and Refs | General Discussion
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Ref need to be held to some kind of standards and explain their decisions. They need to be held accountable otherwise this is never gonna stop. Appeal. If they give Casemiro another game, so be it, but at least we'll shine a light on this nonsense.
I don't even know what the rules are anymore. It feels like refs are just picking and choosing what to give every game on their own thoughts and feelings rather than objective facts.
I don't even know what the rules are anymore. It feels like refs are just picking and choosing what to give every game on their own thoughts and feelings rather than objective facts.
the moment i saw the replay starting with the impact i knew it would be a red.
Var needs to be TMO’d as in given a check list for red card offences, mitigating circumstances etc, today’s Casemiro challenge, got the ball tick, got the players leg did the ball change the direction of his tackle follow through yes that’s the mitigating circumstances, yellow card, same ref yesterday on the foul on felix ball no, bad challenge yes and mitigating circumstances no, red card, but one of these challenges didn’t even get a yellow.
If they appeal, it may be petty but they should get a photo of all these high feet challenges that have been going on unpunished or yellows and attach them to the appeal. Ask for clarification on the differences in these other decisions
You do realise that picture shows exactly why it ISN'T a red right?This is why it's a red, you can't fly in with with a stretched leg and studs showing like this even if you get the ball.
It felt like when VAR was first brought in, there were more instances of referees being shown multiple angles and being left to make their own decision.
The current state of things where the VAR's job is basically to "sell" the on field referee the decision he has made is an abomination, but it's an issue of implementation rather than an inherent problem with VAR as an idea.
Will Taylor be demoted after his shambolic performance today? If I go to work tomorrow and refuse to do my job properly I’ll get in trouble, why is it any different for him? He failed to do his job today so therefore should be punished.
As per my last post, what you describe would be the only correct way to implement VAR but is anathema to a fast paced, non-stop sport like football. VAR has already sucked a lot of what makes football a great sport out of the game. Forcing even more lengthy VAR stoppages is just not acceptable at any level. The only sensible solution is ditching the technology. We tried it. It didn’t improve football. Doesn’t suit the game. Ditch it. Move on.
With our handball penalty shout, you can almost guarantee it would’ve gone against us if it was say, Varane or Licha who handballed it. More often than not, the dubious ones go against us rather than for us. See the Barca and Sociedad penalties for comparison.
Is this a joke
? Incompetency gets rewarded in this league, my man, not punished.What sbout KWP’s tackle on Garnacho. He took the ball, but he followed through with his other leg creating a scissor tackle. Should have been looked at the very least.
And that was changed because VAR was slowing the game down too much. Which it was. And in the absence of mic’d up dialogue the fans/media were still getting furious about multiple VAR decisions each weekend. So they tried to make it less obtrusive. And here we are. It’s an unsolvable problem.
In most cases I don't think that the game was being slowed down much more than it is now. The only difference is that the time is being used for the VAR to cherry pick angles and exact milliseconds of action to do the best sell job for the decision they've already made, rather than just sending the ref straight to the screen and let him see everything.
Anthony Taylor and Andre Marriner to the fecking gulag.
Same thing I said about the Bruno penalty. Going by the logic they used for Casemiro, that should have been a pen too.
They should be made to retire, like the ref in the Arsenal game a few weeks back
The refs are either very incompetent (likely) or are looking to sabotage var as much as they can in the hope it's removed from the league
Just seen the Rashford handball shout. There’s literally nothing stopping defenders throwing themselves to the ground to stop shots and crosses with their arms now.
It's simple: for objective decisions (so not offsidse/goal-line) VAR should only be able to show the onfield ref full speed replays. I don't believe there can be a single argument against this.
Not sure if you made the right call on a handball? Watch in realtime, if you can't decide, go with onfield. Red card? Can't tell in a replay in natural speed? Then you don't get to overrule it.
VAR with freeze frames is a farce. Football is not refereed like that for 99.9% of tackles, so it cannot do it for the random times VAR decides to intervene.
Not sure if you made the right call on a handball? Watch in realtime, if you can't decide, go with onfield. Red card? Can't tell in a replay in natural speed? Then you don't get to overrule it.
VAR with freeze frames is a farce. Football is not refereed like that for 99.9% of tackles, so it cannot do it for the random times VAR decides to intervene.
Or, you know, stick with the onfield decision and can VAR. Because it clearly isn’t making football any fairer or better. And it’s equally clearly making it less fun to watch. So what’s the fecking point?
Stuff like this is surely grounds for an appeal?
Ten Hag even said "We'll see .." when the 4 match ban was bought up.
It's a stupid rule and makes no sense. I remember Chelsea being denied a penalty and it was crazy then too.
ETH needs to take a shot at the refs in his next press conference, seems to work for Arsenal.
The single reason against it is you will still miss things. The rashford trip in the box today, could be sent off for diving on an other day if that’s a second yellow offence yet he was clearly caught and could be a pen and you can see that when slowed down.
so you’re then with a situation where you’re stopping the game and going to video ref and still not getting the right decision.
just leave it to the onforle ref to sort things out and feck this micro analysis off incidents off, it hasn’t improved anything.
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Never felt comfortable in a game either Madley has reffed tbh. We happened to be on the right side of his godawful decision today is all.
The quality of refereeing in the PL is complete shit and in particular there is basically zero consistency in anything.
I don't think there is any conspiracy against or for any team. It's just a bunch of crap referees essentially flipping coins out there from decision to decision.
I don't think there is any conspiracy against or for any team. It's just a bunch of crap referees essentially flipping coins out there from decision to decision.
The Felix one is a yellow on the ankle, nasty.
Casemiro is unlucky because obviously going for the ball, ends up with studs to shin with planted foot. Bounces off top of the ball. Possible leg breaker, red is reasonable.
No way is handball from Rashford cross deliberate, doesn't gain advantage or make body bigger. Nothing in it.
Casemiro is unlucky because obviously going for the ball, ends up with studs to shin with planted foot. Bounces off top of the ball. Possible leg breaker, red is reasonable.
No way is handball from Rashford cross deliberate, doesn't gain advantage or make body bigger. Nothing in it.
What do you mean “a yellow on the ankle”?
He gave a yellow card for the Casemiro challenge, do you think that’s reasonable?
I don't even think he breaks his leg if he connects with it properly. It's not as if he's ran the full length of the pitch at 35 miles an hour to get there. He's turned and lunged pretty much.
P.S. it wasn't the ankle, it was halfway up the lower leg
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Who was in VAR room for the Chelsea game yesterday?
be interesting to see if the one in VAR. room for us today is so keen to nitpick and overturn the ref in future or past games.
be interesting to see if the one in VAR. room for us today is so keen to nitpick and overturn the ref in future or past games.
Some bloke called Graham Scott.
Thanks, not heard that name, I’ll keep an eye on his future involvements because he missed shockers yesterday going by todays var ref
Would be totally fine with it. Keep the offside technology especially if they can properly implement the tech used at the world cup (although the PGMOL will find a way to screw this up undoubtedly) as at least there is objectivity there and it has been speed up significantly. The rest of it has not improved the game one iota. If anything there is less consistency and the majority of VAR interventions are not on missed blatant fouls but on innocuous hand balls and any other garbage reasons they can come up with to rule out goals that no one would have thought twice about prior to VAR. The refs used to at least get the benefit of the doubt with inconsistencies and that is gone now.
yeah now we get 1 minute of the ref standing with his hand at his ear and 15 seconds looking at a screen rather than 15 seconds standing there and 1 minute properly looking over replays.
i like var but the inconsistent use of it is a problem. maybe a challenging concept like in the nfl would be a good idea. the biggest problem would be solved, as its not only the 4th refs choice when to review var. today we could have challenged the pen incident eg.
Never heard of him either but his wiki page says he’s been a PL ref since 2015. I found this bit interesting.
Would love to know when it becomes a clear and obvious error. How many dubious ones has var not looked at for us as it isn't clear and obvious. Yet the casemiro one ref sees it at normal speed. Deems it a free and yellow card. Surely asking ref to look at it again having dealt with it means it's not a clear and obvious error as var hasn't immediately overruled the ref and said just give a red