Moston Red
Formerly Giggs1973
Liverpool seem to be getting var’d as well. This really surprises me.
"seem to be." we've been getting wrecked all seasonLiverpool seem to be getting var’d as well. This really surprises me.
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That’s part of the problem (for me). Is football the only sport where the main official doesn’t have the final say on decisions?It's wild that 5 years after VAR being introduced, we have frequent football watchers that still don't get that VAR looks at all goals with no exception. If the ref wasn't called for a review, it's not that they had not looked at it, but that they did and didn't find anything to review.
That made me mad, cheating feck.
How do you expect it to work if the ref doesn't look at the screen???VAR should only disrupt or undo calls that are clear and obvious misses. Let's be clear - if the ref needs to go to a tv-screen and look for himself - it's not clear and obvious.
The way VAR it's used now is just depressing. It takes too long for them to make a decision, and it's never consistent. Sometimes it's a handball, other times not. Sometimes it's a red, other times it's not. Has VAR really changed anything on those situations - other than it interrupting the play? The referee calls weren't perfect before, and it's not perfect with VAR either. It's just more irritating, more boring, more controversial and more unacceptable.
When it comes to the offside checks - VAR is overused. If a goal was given against us, and the linesman missed that the attackers left knee or shoulder was offside, I'd not be too judgmental about that. How much more advantage do you really get as an attacker just because some part of your body is offside? It's just ludicrous. I've been okay with those kind of wrong calls my whole life. Now with this line-drawing technology it's just laughable. If the linesman hasn't seen it, you have to draw a line and sometimes even zoom in - it's not clear and obvious.
Unless they can make an A.I. that, at hyper speed, looks up similar situations, collects all the decisions that were made, review how the decisions were received or judge as wrong or right in the public view or official referee association (or whatever) - and then calculate what the right call is. Then, I might be in more favor of using VAR as much as they rely on it now.
Fair point, but can a ref decline to look at a VAR replay of an incident? I don't know the answer to this. Suppose the ref sees an incident that he views as being within the laws, but he gets a voice in his ear telling him to view the monitor. Can the ref overrule that and play on or must he halt play on the say-so of the VAR people?How do you expect it to work if the ref doesn't look at the screen???
I seem to remember an incident at some point where the ref was advised to look at the monitor and he said he was happy with his decision and didn't bother.Fair point, but can a ref decline to look at a VAR replay of an incident? I don't know the answer to this. Suppose the ref sees an incident that he views as being within the laws, but he gets a voice in his ear telling him to view the monitor. Can the ref overrule that and play on or must he halt play on the say-so of the VAR people?
Or they didn't bother to check or forgot about it due to incompetence or they were biased. Nobody knows what they do inside.presumably VAR decided lad standing by Onana wasn’t interfering (oh good, another subjective offside decision ).
Thanks for that.I seem to remember an incident at some point where the ref was advised to look at the monitor and he said he was happy with his decision and didn't bother.
The ref doesn't always look at the monitor though. That's why there's always a big "ooh, he's been called over to the monitor" from the commentators when he is.How do you expect it to work if the ref doesn't look at the screen???
Was that in the last world cup? I recall this happening as well.I seem to remember an incident at some point where the ref was advised to look at the monitor and he said he was happy with his decision and didn't bother.
It also happened in the CL a few weeks back.Was that in the last world cup? I recall this happening as well.
Genuinely can't remember when, I just remember that the commentators and pundits clearly didn't know how to react. They were simultaneously praising him for having faith in his decision and not wasting time with a lengthy check, while sort of criticising him for not using the technology at his disposal.Was that in the last world cup? I recall this happening as well.
Doesn't he play for Leeds?Watching Hacken - Molde - and a Hacken-player puts his studs straight into the legs of a Molde-player. Var-check for red card and Stuart Dallas decides - NAH, this isn't a red card. Shocking
You say that as though this somehow makes up for umpteen great goals being disallowed because lines drawn on computer screens of indeterminate thickness have deemed that someone’s armpit is in an offside position. Never mind the inability to properly celebrate every fecking goal scored in the VAR era with even a hint of offside.VAR prevented a goal from being incorrectly ruled off for offside, Paqueta's goal against Olympiacos.
Carry on
What do you mean?How do you expect it to work if the ref doesn't look at the screen???
So in my mind, if the VAR officials can’t determine if the on-pitch call was right or wrong, then it’s not a clear and obvious error.“The original decision given by the referee will not be changed unless the video review clearly shows that the decision was a ‘clear and obvious error’.”
Right. The whole review for the on-pitch referees contradicts the ‘clear and obvious’.The ref doesn't always look at the monitor though. That's why there's always a big "ooh, he's been called over to the monitor" from the commentators when he is.
I can see the argument behind it. With the "clear and obvious" guidance we keep hearing about, and the understanding that it's one of the top refs actually monitoring the VAR, if the on-field ref has missed something clear and obvious, then it should just be a case of the VAR official telling him what the decision should be.
If they need to continuously look at slow motion replays and single frames zoomed in 10 times from multiple different angles, then still pass it on to the ref to make the final call, it's blatantly not a clear and obvious error.
Yep, agree. As I said, I see the argument bit it's different to the one in our last PL game.The offside player was right in front of Onana which will have impacted his ability to save the shot, we had one ruled out against Burnley for the same scenario.
Not for me but I do see that viewpoint and think it's falid.It was more offside than Maguire was against Fulham. Maguire didn't have a touch or affect anything since the ball went to Garnacho who was onside but because his shoulder was slighy passed a Fulham player on a still shot it was deemed offside. The Copenhagen player was directly affecting and obstructing Onana's line of sight.
Ignoring the Maguire one, did you see the Caicedo goal which was ruled out on Monday out of interest?Not for me but I do see that viewpoint and think it's falid.
The ref doesn't always look at the monitor though. That's why there's always a big "ooh, he's been called over to the monitor" from the commentators when he is.
I can see the argument behind it. With the "clear and obvious" guidance we keep hearing about, and the understanding that it's one of the top refs actually monitoring the VAR, if the on-field ref has missed something clear and obvious, then it should just be a case of the VAR official telling him what the decision should be.
If they need to continuously look at slow motion replays and single frames zoomed in 10 times from multiple different angles, then still pass it on to the ref to make the final call, it's blatantly not a clear and obvious error.
I saw it and can see why it was disallowed within the current laws as to why the Sterling one was likewise ruled off the stupid part of that one if Sterling had rolled the ball to Jackson and he put it in its highly unlikely it would have been chalked offIgnoring the Maguire one, did you see the Caicedo goal which was ruled out on Monday out of interest?
VAR didn’t ignore it they just viewed it as not being a straight red. VAR isn’t allowed to suggest a yellow is issued be it a first offence or a secondHow that elbow was not 2nd yellow is beyond ridiculous. Ref and VAR had showed they wouldn't tolerate dangerous play, intentional or not. They replayed it many times on big screen but VAR decided to ignore it. Quite spectacular that anyone thinks this is "human error"
Ref got lucky media only highlight redcard but not this one
No if the VAR asks the ref to review an on field call then they are obliged to look at but not obliged to change their original decisionFair point, but can a ref decline to look at a VAR replay of an incident? I don't know the answer to this. Suppose the ref sees an incident that he views as being within the laws, but he gets a voice in his ear telling him to view the monitor. Can the ref overrule that and play on or must he halt play on the say-so of the VAR people?
Yes, I would not have disallowed it because it had no impact on the keeper in my view but my main point was it’s hard to explain why that was disallowed and the Copenhagen one, with an attacker standing right in front of Onana, was not.I saw it and can see why it was disallowed within the current laws as to why the Sterling one was likewise ruled off the stupid part of that one if Sterling had rolled the ball to Jackson and he put it in its highly unlikely it would have been chalked off
Ironically the offside rule re players being active isn’t one that theFA has gone its own way on. The IFAB wording is copied word for word.Yes, I would not have disallowed it because it had no impact on the keeper in my view but my main point was it’s hard to explain why that was disallowed and the Copenhagen one, with an attacker standing right in front of Onana, was not.
The handball rule is utterly ridiculous but we all know that. The only ones who don’t seem to be the rule makers.
Yeah, the Diaz “off side” ruling was the worst var decision I’ve seen. Something needs to change, it’s ruining the game."seem to be." we've been getting wrecked all season
Would still prefer the occasional mistakes over what we have today with VAR. the only good rule introduced over the past 40 years is the no back pass rule. Wish the governing bodies would stay away and concentrate on preventing unfair financial advantages.