That’s the bottom line. There’s a margin of error. There has to be. And if we can’t be sure it’s the correct decision, what’s the fecking point of any of it?!?
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Gabriel had his left arm wrapped right around Hoijlunds midrift.
No idea why it wasn't even reviewed by VAR.
The more I see it the more unsure I am.
Didn't they draw the line in the wrong place last season?
Didn't they draw the line in the wrong place last season?
His feet are straight. His head has to be furthest forward when he’s leaning forward.
That’s wrong. It’s supposed to be from the moment it touched the passers foot
The attacker's line should be thicker than the defenders line to build in benefit of the doubt margin of error
Look at his upper body and his head on the still frame. Since he's looking behind, his shoulders and head look level.
Yeah they’ve just been going over it forensically in the Sky studio and it’s a clear pen. Everyone is furious it wasn’t given and are calling for Taylor to be dropped next week.
Agree, but are they waiting for the ball to leave the foot? The VAR still doesn't show that the ball had left Casemiros foot.
What would you prefer, have the linesman make the call? Because we have seen for years that is near impossible for a linesman to make a right call on these. And if they do, its only because its a 50/50 guess.
Bear in mind, the linesman are keeping their flags down on these calls because they are allowing the play to continue and for VAR to help decide.
They said it was reviewed as play continued, but they didn't show a replay of it. It definitely looked clumsy from the defender.
Yes Palace-Brighton when Estupnian was called offside but they took it from the shoulder of the wrong Palace defender.
That alone shows the technology used is a long way from bulletproof but guess it just got dismissed as human error.
It's not really. In that case the VAR obviously identified the wrong player:
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It would be pretty ludicrous to draw a comparison between that and the Garnacho offside.
I think the Garnacho goal looked onside.
Højlund could have had a penalty
Evans could have had a free kick on their goal.
Højlund could have had a penalty
Evans could have had a free kick on their goal.
The point is that sometimes the people operating the technology make errors.
I have seen the stills from both angles. His head doesn't look to be any further forward than his head.
Agreed. I think his head and his head are level, give or take.
It shows that the var ref clicks on where he thinks the last point is and it’s not hundred percent accurate, if he’s clicking in the screen with a mouse or touching a touch screen with finger, how much is he zooming in to get that exact point of the last defender, there’s far too much margin of error for these 1mm offside calls
Even with these high definition cameras these freeze frames are far too fuzzy for it to be used like that.
It was so easily waved away yet if it were Scott McTominay wrestling at a corner in Stamford Bridge it would be given
Pretty hard for his head to be further forward his head
He's offside, the tech won't get that wrong. The lines are mapped to the pitch.
Didn't think the Hojlund incident was a pen, nor was the scuffling in the box for their winner any kind of foul. Both would have been very soft, as soft as the Havertz pen that was rightly overturned. It was just unlucky for us with the deflection. Onana had it otherwise.
What was baffling was the 'offside'. It looked on even with the lines drawn.
What was baffling was the 'offside'. It looked on even with the lines drawn.
Not the point. The point is when was the image froze and where in the image was selected. That is the margin of error that is not accounted for
Comments on specific decisions today aside, I'm fed up with the bullshit production of the screen. We all know that once the referee is called to the screen there's 99.9% of the time only one outcome. Just have the ref do his stupid cross-arms motion once he hears something in his ear from the VAR team, instead of running to the screen. It's all just to preserve the ego of the on-field ref.
Exactly.
Definite foul on Evans and a penalty on Hojlund but not sure about the Garnacho offside/onside.
Human error when choosing the frame, angle and where the lines are drawn from.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah the "tech" of a middle aged man choosing which frame to use based on guess work of when he reckons the leather of the boot stopped making contact with the ball on the through pass.
Then the same chap clicking with guesswork where he thinks the most advanced part of both player's bodies are in a distant, fuzzy image.
There is already a tolerance level ( I think it's 5cm) to account for the margins.
It's obviously a foul on Evans, otherwise he closes down the shot.
It’s not automatic like in Champions League. They(humans) set the line and that can be done wrong.
Yeah I agree, not enough made of that incident for me.
In the last few weeks I feel like they have let a lot more pushing and tripping go. Noticed it a lot today.
Dunno if manipulated image or not... found it on reddit.
Wouldn't be happy if we gave away a pen for it in fairness but it should defo have been looked at
Sure. But there's a big difference between "sometimes they make errors" and "in this case they made an error".
So far nobody has posted anything that actually suggests they made an error. Just the same thing we always get with these offsides, which is people pointing to how things look different from a different camera angle (as if they shouldn't look different given how perspective works) while posting random screengrabs, or saying nonsensical things like "your shoulder can't be ahead of your head".
Nothing about this offside appears any different to any other correct offside call we see. It just happened to go against us this time.