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Brownfinger
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I said this about the Casemiro second red last season: VAR should not be used in slow motion for those decisions. Dozens of fouls each match look like leg breakers if you just see a still image. It also means that the way the match is refereed is different: the referee makes decisison in real-time and VAR officials get multiple angles, slow-motion, freeze frame and so forth. It's a complete sham.
I think the Curtis Jones and Casemiro situations are different. Casemiro hits pretty much the middle of the ball and bounces over it with his foot because the Southampton player comes in at the same time and stops the movement of the ball, freak accidents and you see similar tackles weekly, while Jones clearly steps over the ball where it also looks like he’s more or less stepping directly down rather than trying to kick the ball. Looks awkward as feck.
People on here keep insinuating that VAR has only been shit in England, my brother lives in Munich, they hate it, my cousin lives in Spain, they hate it, and I have seen a ton of awful VAR nonsense in CL and EL games which has nothing to do with English officiating.
However get rid of it and the first time a big decision is messed up people will be screaming for it to come back. At the moment, across every area of football fandom you have an utterly insane level of of conspiracy level horseshit/ advanced victimhood mentality with everyone crying that the refs have it out for their team. Take away VAR and that phenomenon just accelerates.
Would be happily rid of it, keep the line tech, and experiment with other improvements such as expanding the officiating team, get 2 or 3 refs on the pitch along with assistant refs. Should have been the starting point to improve the standards before bringing technology into a game with as many interpretive decisions as football throws up.
VAR decisions in the CL and EL have been shit for some time, so it’s hardly just a problem in England. For me, in general, i think the obvious solution is to get rid of the clear and obvious barrier and accept VAR as a tool to reach the correct decisions rather than putting too much emphasis on the decision that was made on the pitch. Things happen quickly on a football pitch and expecting the referee to get a solid overview in every situation, just because he had line of sight, seems meaningless. I think we’d avoid quite a few frustrating situations. I can’t remember who we played, fairly certain it was under Ole, where the opposition scored a goal that was pretty much a clear attack on the goalkeeper. Ref allowed it and VAR didn’t step in as the referee on the pitch had seen the duel and allowed it. Then later in the match, Maguire (i think) fairly won the ball from the goalkeeper and before we tap it in the referee has already blown for a freekick so VAR can’t interveen afterwards anyway. Replay clearly showed the goalkeeper simply fecked up. For me, i think it would be a natural improvement to wait it out, and if a goal is scored communicate with VAR that there was a situation you weren’t completely sure was a freekick or not. Webb has a bit of a hard on for the clear and obvious stuff, wanting decisions to be made on the pitch, but i think it’s doing more damage than good. I still can’t understand how VAR didn’t make sure Nketiah got sent off for that horror tackle attempt against the Tottenham goalkeeper. It’s the very definition of endangering the safety of the opponent the way he jumped in, but because based on pure coincidence he doesn’t snap the goalkeepers leg in half it’s somehow only a yellow.