Why does Old Trafford have a camera along the touchline and St. Mohammed bin Salman Park doesn't?
VAR and Refs | General Discussion | May 15: Premier League clubs to vote on proposal to scrap VAR from next season
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You can clearly see grass inbetween the ball and the line.
Hard to see how they deem insufficient evidence that the ball was out, but had a different ruling for Hojlund's goal vs Palace.
The two look pretty much identical, no?
The two look pretty much identical, no?
I’d love to see a Hawkeye view of it because I’d bet it would show the whole ball wasn’t over the line.
Saudis in the VAR booth for Newcastle. Clearly a push. Gabriel has no reason to jump down and not head the ball away as it’ll lead to a goal. It’s too risky compared to the benefit of just heading the ball away to go for a dive in a situation like that.
The system screams out for transparency and official announcements of why a call was made. It’s ridiculous that we fans cant get info of the why’s really. All we can get is a possibly bribed /influenced referee pointing to the spot or in a direction.
It kills the game, and take the characters out of football.
The system screams out for transparency and official announcements of why a call was made. It’s ridiculous that we fans cant get info of the why’s really. All we can get is a possibly bribed /influenced referee pointing to the spot or in a direction.
It kills the game, and take the characters out of football.
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Fair enough. You’ll note that both the footballers in the studio agree it wasn’t a foul. Not every contact between two players is a foul. You’ll know that, though, from having played the game.Good one.
You'd be surprised.
I’d say it looks still in play, just.
Haven’t seen a proper replay of the Joelinton challenge, but both arms on the back look a bit dodgy.
Haven’t seen a proper replay of the Joelinton challenge, but both arms on the back look a bit dodgy.
Yeah, it was the same as the Rashford one. Daylight between line and base of ball but widest point probably touching the line.
Neither should have been given out. Way too tight to disallow a goal.
I actually think the Newcastle goal was fine to give. Given the camera angles, you can't 100% say the ball was out of play, I think it's possibly a foul but not a clear cut foul. With the offside, it's difficult to tell, to be honest.
With the Rashford goal that was disallowed, did VAR rule it out or did the referee rule it out and VAR decided not to overturn? The angle seems a bit better for United's incident but would put it in the same bracket as inconclusive and the goal should be given provided the the on field team didn't rule it out.
With the Rashford goal that was disallowed, did VAR rule it out or did the referee rule it out and VAR decided not to overturn? The angle seems a bit better for United's incident but would put it in the same bracket as inconclusive and the goal should be given provided the the on field team didn't rule it out.
This is all distracting from the fact that VAR looked at Bruno elbowing Jorgino in the back of the head and seeing nothing wrong with it. Egregious.
What if (and this is a mad idea) they had another official on the goal line with a little stick for these instances? Surely that would work, then we'd know for sure if the ball was out.
Bit misogynistic mate
Whilst I agree, we don't have the technology to conclusively say, when you look at the Japan goal in the world cup.
They should either both be given or both disallowed, in my opinion.
VAR intervened to rule out Rashford assist.
Because it's at an angle and a ball is a ball.
I’d expect someone who accuses someone else of “knowing nothing about football” to have played a fair bit. Turns out she has. Still wrong about this incident, mind you.
The one of the left is 100% out and the one on the right is tough to call because of the angle.
In real life it might be the same ball placement but those pics (because of the angle) can't tell that.
Both yellows in the Newcastle vs Arsenal game would be double punishment for any Man Utd players red and 3 extra game. Webb is taking revenge for all the years ABU calling him a Man Utd fan
So this should of been ruled out then from this angle? You either give both or you don't! The inconsistencies are a joke. If anything the Newcastle one looks more out.
It's not a push. He definitely leans forward. Not a single pundit thinks it a foul either.
The whole of that ball in that frame isn't over the line so if that the correct frame, it's a bullshit decision.
No way should Newcastle's goal have been ruled out because it maybe went over the sideline. You couldn't tell definitively that it did - nothing clear and obvious about it. The foul was the only real problem.
We really should change that for next season. Shooting ourselves in the foot here
A push in the back is a push in the back.
There's no escape from this fact.
I wouldn't have ruled it out if that pic was all I had to go on. It's not though.
Garnacho wasn’t though and he crossed the ball. VAR shouldn’t be subjective as everyone is calling it. If you not sure and it’s an interpretation not facts let us go
If United were playing the studio guys will be saying things like ‘he’s giving the ref a question etc.’ oh and of course it would be disallowed.
Also, managers who claim "disgrace" - need to stay they same when they get similar decisions in their favour if they want to be taken seriously when going anti-VAR.
Obvious who I'm talking about here, but loads are the same.
Obvious who I'm talking about here, but loads are the same.
One week it's City, the next week it's Newcastle benefitting ridiculous calls, whilst several PL referees are getting paid to referee games in the UAE and probably eventually Saudi Arabia too...is this the future of the Premier League?
Not to mention the British government being too scared to let the PL punish City for their 115 charges, but that's another topic.
Not to mention the British government being too scared to let the PL punish City for their 115 charges, but that's another topic.
I mean, they had the perfect angle (overhead) for the Garnacho one. you need to take those cameras down at Old Trafford!Weird how they always seems to have the wrong angle when they check these goals.
There’s literally one pic that gave doubt to the ball being out, not sure why you’re giving the upmost importance.
Plus it’s not straight in that matters, it’s the height of the camera angle isn’t it?
There has to be a push though. It looked as though Joelinton had his hands on Gabriel’s back but Gabriel was already dipping when the ball arrived then flung himself on the ground when he realised he misjudged it. That’s how I saw it anyway. Which is how the footballers in the studio also saw it. If there are definite split opinions on the incident then how is it a clear and obvious error?
He’s such a fecking dick.
One picture looks in and the other picture looks slightly out. I would say that's pretty inconclusive wouldn't you?
I’ve been all for VAR but as long as it’s being manned by cnuts, it’s there’s no point.
It’s a complete mess and they need to rethink. Needs to be more like rugby where the onus is still on the ref to make the decision for incidents like the Newcastle goal. Ref would have known there was a possible foul on ball possibly out of play, let him view it and decide.
Instead we have this inconsistent standoff where no one in the VAR room seems to know whether they intervene or not and when they do refs always go along with it. We are getting decisions where the VAR team know it’s wrong but it’s not clear and obvious enough.
Instead we have this inconsistent standoff where no one in the VAR room seems to know whether they intervene or not and when they do refs always go along with it. We are getting decisions where the VAR team know it’s wrong but it’s not clear and obvious enough.
Didn't work that way for Garnacho though. People want consistency, VAR is worse than the crap decisions the Refs used to make, least if the Ref got it wrong you could celebrate the goal and not have to sit there for a few minutes waiting to see if VAR can find a fault.
The first pic to me, clearly shows it's out. Like really clearly.
Of course there's going to be a million different pics of the ball being in, because the ball was in until it was out. That totally depends on when the froze the frame.
Clear and obvious error is bolox though. Its just adding flaky interpretation where there shouldn't be any.
They're all 50/50 decisions and if it was one you'd write it off. A goal relying on 3 50/50 decisions is another matter. You need a lot of coin tosses going your way for that to stand.
I find the camera angles, too many players in the way thing a crappy excuse and if thats how you want to play it then Newcastle should be putting up more cameras tomorrow.