Referee/VAR are consistently shit .You're bringing up an inconsequential penalty from a game weeks ago which was a totally different type of incident to make what point exactly?
I feel like - with the rule being how you can't handle the ball if it leads directly to you scoring a goal - some people (mainly refs) are seemingly forgetting to actually judge whether there was just a normal feckin' handball or not.That was the strangest call I've seen all season. Even the announcers did not get how bad it was..... I usually stay out of this because things tend to work out over the season but VAR not catching that means things are very broken.
It’s ridiculous. It’s like the refs association have got VAR and gone....well we’re not using it to show we’ve got something wrong. Instead we will make up some nonsense rules to try and make us look cleverer than everybody else and use VAR and tell stories to back that up.I feel like - with the rule being how you can't handle the ball if it leads directly to you scoring a goal - some people (mainly refs) are seemingly forgetting to actually judge whether there was just a normal feckin' handball or not.
It was the same with the Boro one last year...pundits etc. going on about how it counted because he didn't score the goal.... but not stopping for a second to realise that it was just a normal handball offence
A this rate you could catch the ball and throw it to your team mate to score a header and they'd probably allow it.
Funny cos it’s true. That’s exactly what’s happening and it’s absolutely mental.I feel like - with the rule being how you can't handle the ball if it leads directly to you scoring a goal - some people (mainly refs) are seemingly forgetting to actually judge whether there was just a normal feckin' handball or not.
It was the same with the Boro one last year...pundits etc. going on about how it counted because he didn't score the goal.... but not stopping for a second to realise that it was just a normal handball offence
A this rate you could catch the ball and throw it to your team mate to score a header and they'd probably allow it.
To be fair I think they've more or less nailed offsides this year - these slightly thicker lines that can't touch seem to work much better and have got rid of the stupid armpit hair offsides. They're also been done a lot faster then last year.It’s ridiculous. It’s like the refs association have got VAR and gone....well we’re not using it to show we’ve got something wrong. Instead we will make up some nonsense rules to try and make us look cleverer than everybody else and use VAR and tell stories to back that up.
It’s not that difficult. Put the rules back to how they were. Sort out the offside issues and just use the thing when the ref has got it wrong...and yes apply common sense. Nobody is too concerned if the throw goes the wrong way, or even a corner. But handballs, penalties, fouls in the build up to goals....just do that properly.
Yep, its utterly bizarre. The Antonio one a few weeks ago where he controlled the ball beautifully with his arms, missed the shot and scored on the second time of asking is a prime example. Handballs are routinely given all over the pitch when its just hit someones arm accidentally but they gained an advantage. You can't just decide that because it lead to a goal that a completely different set of rules abides.I feel like - with the rule being how you can't handle the ball if it leads directly to you scoring a goal - some people (mainly refs) are seemingly forgetting to actually judge whether there was just a normal feckin' handball or not.
It was the same with the Boro one last year...pundits etc. going on about how it counted because he didn't score the goal.... but not stopping for a second to realise that it was just a normal handball offence
A this rate you could catch the ball and throw it to your team mate to score a header and they'd probably allow it.
Except now we’re seeing blatantly incorrect offside calls. Flagged and blown up before VAR looks at them. Bruno was a yard onside in a very promising situation against Chelsea but the ref blew for offside. Whatever happened to linesmen keeping their flags down and letting play develop if there’s a tight call?To be fair I think they've more or less nailed offsides this year - these slightly thicker lines that can't touch seem to work much better and have got rid of the stupid armpit hair offsides. They're also been done a lot faster then last year.
My worry there is though when the automated stuff comes back in, we'll go back to people being offside by a milimeter (but at least it'll be quick).
But yeah it's the rest of the stuff that's dumb - largely because they seem to be trying to use it without applying any logic or common-sense and trying to make it as hard as possible for themselves.
That was the lino's fault to be fair - not VAR - he should be keeping his flag down until the attacks on (which is what normally happens ala Bruno's disallowed goal vs. Spurs), also the ref didn't have to blow up either and could have let play go on - so definitely a fault with the on-pitch officials.Except now we’re seeing blatantly incorrect offside calls. Flagged and blown up before VAR looks at them. Bruno was a yard onside in a very promising situation against Chelsea but the ref blew for offside. Whatever happened to linesmen keeping their flags down and letting play develop if there’s a tight call?
That’s the thing about VAR. It’s causing relentless changes to the way the game is being refereed. Far more frequent and dramatic than we ever had before. Because the expectations on officiating have changed completely because of this stupid poxy technology.
Someone said the guidance to the officials has changed. They’re now only supposed to let play develop, without flagging/whistling, for clear goal scoring opportunities.That was the lino's fault to be fair - not VAR - he should be keeping his flag down until the attacks on (which is what normally happens ala Bruno's disallowed goal vs. Spurs), also the ref didn't have to blow up either and could have let play go on - so definitely a fault with the on-pitch officials.
I do definitely think its harder to ref games now in VAR world - but mainly because they've made it hard for themselves with these stupid arbitary laws like "clear and obvious" / "high threshold" / "whatever the feck is a handball these days"
This is what really pisses people off. When there is no excuse. When its just poor quality work. There is no way the linesman can be 100% sure someone was offside when a replay shows them being a foot or so onside. Theres just no way. If they were sure then they are clearly not up to the job.Except now we’re seeing blatantly incorrect offside calls. Flagged and blown up before VAR looks at them.
To be clear, an incorrect offside call never used to piss me off. Before VAR. I know how incredibly difficult it is to get the call spot on and always accepted a few bad calls as part of the game. And to be fair to linesmen they did a brilliant job at getting the vast majority of their decisions right.This is what really pisses people off. When there is no excuse. When its just poor quality work. There is no way the linesman can be 100% sure someone was offside when a replay shows them being a foot or so onside. Theres just no way. If they were sure then they are clearly not up to the job.
I think that calling offsides accurately is very very hard. People underestimate how hard it it. But we now have VAR so that if there is even a shred of doubt, you can play on and call it back. People might get annoyed that a goal is disallowed but it will be the right decision. If you let it play on and it was offside you will make the right decision via VAR. You call it offside too early and you have a good chance of making the wrong, and potentially match changing decision.
People would like VAR if it was just used more sensibly. If the standards of refereeing were not so poor. If there were not dozens of bad, result changing decisions already with less than 1/3rd of the season gone.
It's not a direct free kick from 20 yards out, it's a looping corner kicked more softly for accuracy. Absolutely no point for his arms / hands to be in that position, his crotch is in no danger. Should have been an easy penalty call, unfortunately it was cocked up.I'm going to be a dissenting voice and say the goal should have stood and it wasn't handball. Hear me out.
It shouldn't be the case that if a ball is kicked at you in a certain place a handball is inevitable and you can't do anything about it. The West Ham player has his hands crossed in front of his crotch, his arms are literally as much out of the way as is possible and the ball comes over jumping players. He doesn't then push the ball with his hands, he jumps and so the ball bounces up off them. In my opinion that means the handlball is not deliberate. At this point you then get into the "if the handball leads directly to a goal" (which to me is weird anyway, if a handball is an offence, its an offence regardless of where/when on the pitch). This is where you'll get unsatisfactory results because the laws would state the ball comes out and goes back in, so its a different phase.
I can see why it looks so bad, but honestly if I look at it I can fully understand why the goal stood.
Good point. Common sense out the window.I feel like - with the rule being how you can't handle the ball if it leads directly to you scoring a goal - some people (mainly refs) are seemingly forgetting to actually judge whether there was just a normal feckin' handball or not.
It was the same with the Boro one last year...pundits etc. going on about how it counted because he didn't score the goal.... but not stopping for a second to realise that it was just a normal handball offence
A this rate you could catch the ball and throw it to your team mate to score a header and they'd probably allow it.
There are actual bodies in the VAR room making horrendous decisions every week.Linesmen should be obsolete at this point, just like the goal-line ref. A singular on pitch ref with less ego, less responsibility, should be fit enough to cover the entire pitch for a game and concentrate on the hardest calls like 50-50 duels and keeping a consistent line every game. That should be their primary focus. VAR should be automated as much as possible. Actual bodies in the VAR room should review situations quickly, based on a blue print. Only way to make the game more fair and more consistent.
It seems every ref has their own interpretation, based on different circumstances and largely disagree on how the game should be played. I'd say that shouldn't be up to them, they should follow a set of principles. You have the rulebook, then you need to have the book on how to actually apply them. At the moment we don't and refs are asked to do different things each week. Impossible job. It should be simpler for all parties, with the right system in place, but VAR at the moment is like trying to build utopia on top of a volcano.
I can't recall it even being any worse then how any team normally reacts to when they give away a pen?
Have Spurs been charged for surrounding the ref versus Newcastle?
The response should be: Doesn't the FA have other things to do than find reasons to go after United?
They don't want people to look deeper at the refs or the VAR system, United draw the most eyes. When the players react, people take notice. People discuss. They want United's role to be clowns in the media, our players to not be competing. Simply put they specifically don't want to have a club cause any disturbance so this is a power move to show authority. I mean if we get fecked every other week, but fuzz isn't allowed to build up cause the main story is how terrible United is and how deserving we are of being screwed, then less eyes on VAR and less pressure on the FA to do their jobs. I mean, it really does feel like they are trying to beat us down because I'm sure we've been charged a lot more than other teams in the last 5 years or so. Would like to see a statistic on that, for reference. Would help in telling if it's truth or just a feeling.I can't recall it even being any worse then how any team normally reacts to when they give away a pen?
Not really. That bit of exercise while he was celebrating has probably added 2 months to his lifespan.
Not really. That bit of exercise while he was celebrating has probably added 2 months to his lifespan.
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This wasn't corrected by VAR in Germany. Ref gave handball from Lindströn
Came here to discuss this.
Referee has to want to give it and everybody just accepted it from the ref