That’s a horrific decision and a clear penalty! What is the point of refs and VAR? The wall parts terribly and he just leaves a flailing arm, you keep your arm by your side when jumping in the wall.
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Nice to know defenders can do a star jump to block free kicks in the box.
Have a funny feeling it was for Abu Dhabi only though.
Have a funny feeling it was for Abu Dhabi only though.
Please explain what they would have to give a red?
The ball was going in to the goal before it hit Grealish's arm, if someone other than the goalkeeper stops the ball going into the goal with their arm its a red card
This is such a crock of shit. Why even pay a VAR if not to correct such mistakes?
I'm not so sure, they changed the rules on this a while back, kind of like double jeopardy, a penalty is deemed punishment enough, so he'd get a yellow (and then a red if already booked) - of course they may have changed the rule back
Even before the rule change you'd never get a red in this situation just because the shot is on target. He's talking nonsense.
Not so sure about that, didn't Jaws Suarez get sent off in the WC for deliberate handball?
What? Grealish stopped the ball going in to the net with his arm, thats always been a red card
Not in the last few years it hasn't, they changed the rules, not hand ball specifically but the punishment meted out, when a penalty is awarded, unless it's violent conduct or similar offence it's not a red card offence, it was deemed that a red card and a penalty for anything other than violent conduct was too harsh a punishment
For literally saving the ball on the line. Handball several meters out, with a goalie behind, has never been red.
I know, but deliberate hand ball is deliberate hand ball, the punishment should technically be the same
@RedRocket9908 thinks Grealish should have had a red card, even when the old rule was in place you'd never get sent off for it
No he didn't
It's a free-kick and he's part of the wall. Find me one example of a player doing that and getting sent off. I'd bet it has never happened.It should be a penalty and a yellow.
You think Romero should have been sent off against you for his handball ?
Funny how many bullshit penalties they give where they slow down an obvious accidental handball, yet they don’t give that. They haven’t a fecking clue what they’re doing, it’s really weird.
It was clear and obvious error by Oliver that VAR clearly and obviously got wrong in not correcting, but that handball offense would never have resulted in a red card.
Yeah sorry but this at this point, bribery seems a much more likely answer than incompetence
Afaik, handballs in the wall are one of the few instances that are specified in the laws of the game. If your arm is wide in the wall, it's handball
Afaik, handballs in the wall are one of the few instances that are specified in the laws of the game. If your arm is wide in the wall, it's handball
Bribery, lucrative deals in Saudi league.
It's so unbelievable that these refs gets high profile games and also games played by Saudi owned clubs or clubs whose results have direct impact on Saudi owned clubs.
Decisions like that and they keep waltzing off to city’s owner for a pay day to ref in Abu Dhabi.
It’s getting to a point it’s becoming obvious it’s not just incompetence yet daft tribalism you still have people looking for other reasons.
It’s getting to a point it’s becoming obvious it’s not just incompetence yet daft tribalism you still have people looking for other reasons.
No problem with the ref not seeing that or assuming it came off another body part, but was there no VAR? That's precisely the kind of thing VAR is for no?
Grealish literally makes his block bigger by bringing out his arm like that.
Oliver, City, VAR, Payola. Hope they all get done
Oliver, City, VAR, Payola. Hope they all get done
Neh it’s a completely natural jump.
Funnily enough, Pep's old club bribed the ref too. Surely can't be a coincidence.
With City taking all the Barca lads in, refs being paid to do outside work, missing drugs tests etc etc. it's hardly a surprise.
He clapped it down. Its crazy not to be given.
Every hand ball that gets penalised is deliberate. Otherwise it isn’t a foul. The post VAR feckery has done its best to over complicate this but the basic principle remains the same.
the crazy part with the handball, after all the VAR check, they gave city a goal kick .
That’s probably the only reason the penalty isn’t given then.
If the powers that be are saying that it didn’t hit anything AND has gone straight out, it has to be a GK.
Very, very wrong but can be the only explanation and makes it make sense
Yeah this is why Poch/Chelsea need to demand the audio of the VAR decision. Because it’s absolute madness if they could not see the contact with Grealish’s hand.
Var can't give a corner and Oliver already signalled goal kick but it sums up the absurdity of var that an incident that is actually looked at and reviewed, even if it was 100 percent not a pen,.they then still can't give the correct decision (in their mind), the corner.
Funny how in these situations where the refs may get embarrassed, the spirit and integrity of the game has no relevance.
Like here and in that Spurs Liverpool game. "Oh well, the game's probably ruined, but our hands are tied. Can't do anything because these VAR commandments cannot be broken."
I get they can't give a corner, but surely having seen the contact, they can suggest to the ref he has made a 'clear and obvious' error - as the ref had given a goal kick, meaning he had NOT seen the contact. Then it would be up to the ref to decide whether the contact was enough to warrant a penalty or not. IF he decided it wasn't a penalty, then he probably couldn't award a corner either, but at least he would be able to have a full picture of the handball.
Walker has such good form on the sneaky foul he even managed one AGAINST city a few years back for Spurs.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/kyle-walker-admits-raheem-sterling-9669538
Ball to hand is not handball, handball has to be intentional. All the rest around it is just guidance to tell refs what is intentional... Though they should use their own judgement as well. Grealish is moving his hand down by his side after using it for leverage to jump, which isn't in the guidance for what constitutes "intentional handball". If it was the other way around, with his arm going out to the ball, you could argue it more. I wouldn't want to see that given against us, that's for sure... I don't think we can complain too much about Oliver yesterday, Caicedo could have got a second yellow. There were 8+ minutes of stoppage time somehow as well.
The issue being highlighted, is how badly IFAB, UEFA etc have distorted how everyone looks at handball and how badly, how badly they've fecked the sport up with too many law and guidance changes along with how inconsistently football is officiated.
With disgusting decisions, like the one against Newcastle in the CL this season, the one Utd one v Bournemouth being given, people have got the idea that the ball hitting your hand by your side is handball, when it almost never should be.
We missed our chances and bottled the match pretty much, blaming the ref is just distracting from our deeper problems.
The issue being highlighted, is how badly IFAB, UEFA etc have distorted how everyone looks at handball and how badly, how badly they've fecked the sport up with too many law and guidance changes along with how inconsistently football is officiated.
With disgusting decisions, like the one against Newcastle in the CL this season, the one Utd one v Bournemouth being given, people have got the idea that the ball hitting your hand by your side is handball, when it almost never should be.
We missed our chances and bottled the match pretty much, blaming the ref is just distracting from our deeper problems.
“Intent” doesn’t come into the handball rules because it cannot be quantified.
When you’re in a wall defending a direct free kick you simply cannot make yourself bigger with your arms outside your body silhouette, it doesn’t matter if that’s how you would normally prefer to jump to gain optimal elevation. It’s not a reflex, it’s a very conscious action and the overwhelming majority of players are perfectly capable of tucking their hands into their body as they jump or covering their gonads.
You’re literally standing 10 years away from the shot with all the time in the world to prepare for the block. There is no excuse whatsoever for having your arms extended and it’s mind boggling that it wasn’t given as a penalty.
If we got a decision like that there'd be a full blown meltdown in the media. But given it's 115 Charges FC nothing to see here move along
https://www.thefa.com/football-rule.../football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
Here's what the rules actually say, for what it's worth. It's handball if you deliberately touch the ball with your hand, if you touch the ball with your hand by making your body unnaturally bigger, or if you touch the ball with your hand in any way and it directly leads to scoring a goal.
Here's what the rules actually say, for what it's worth. It's handball if you deliberately touch the ball with your hand, if you touch the ball with your hand by making your body unnaturally bigger, or if you touch the ball with your hand in any way and it directly leads to scoring a goal.
Crazy isn't it. When was the last time a decision that went City or Arsenal or Liverpools way was scrutinised to the nth degree like for us.
Right, not a conspiracy theory though. Just they aren’t as big of a deal.
Yeah I know, but some are more blatant than others, I can understand why the ref might have missed this one but VAR has no excuse whatsoever
How footballer are taught to jump in a wall:
How City players are taught to jump in a wall:
How City players are taught to jump in a wall: