VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

[RobinLFC]

Anyone else think that was a penalty on Watkins by Robinson? It’s not cutting off his lane it’s just barging in from the back without an eye for the ball.

 

[Fitchett]

Does anyone know the last time an opponent was sent off against United in the Premier League? The last red cards opponents received against us domestically I can recall was the three red cards by Fulham two years ago, but that was in an FA Cup match. This all contrasts sharply with three red cards for opponents in our last four Europa League matches (one each for Sociedad, Lyon and Bilbao).

 

[RedRocket9908]

Does anyone know the last time an opponent was sent off against United in the Premier League? The last red cards opponents received against us domestically was the three red cards by Fulham two years ago, but that was in an FA Cup match. This all contrasts sharply with three red cards for opponents in our last four Europa League matches (one each for Sociedad, Lyon and Bilbao).

If you dont include the rescinded Bournemouth one then I think the last one was Jack Stephens away at Saints on 14th of September

 

[stevoc]

Does anyone know the last time an opponent was sent off against United in the Premier League? The last red cards opponents received against us domestically was the three red cards by Fulham two years ago, but that was in an FA Cup match. This all contrasts sharply with three red cards for opponents in our last four Europa League matches (one each for Sociedad, Lyon and Bilbao).

If you dont include the rescinded Bournemouth one then I think the last one was Jack Stephens away at Saints on 14th of September

Correct, before that it was February 2022. Dunk got a red card vs Brighton.

It's very hard to get sent off against United it seems. They say decisions even themselves out but I do wonder how many domestic Red Cards United have received over the same timeframe.

 

[Vidooq]

Correct, before that it was February 2022. Dunk got a red card vs Brighton.

It's very hard to get sent off against United it seems. They say decisions even themselves out but I do wonder how many domestic Red Cards United have received over the same timeframe.

That's because:

• You don't see United players rolling around like being hit by a bus whenever an opposition player who was booked before tackles them
• You don't see United players targeting full-backs who are on early yellow cards
• You don't see United taking advantage of a certain situation to put pressure on the referee

We were not getting calls like blatant penalties, like the Scot McTominay one v Palace, so no wonder we are not getting red cards. The opposite, we are getting some shocking calls like the penalty vs West Ham, Bruno's red v Tottenham, Havertz penalty for Arsenal. Just crazy decisions.

 

[Jordan_mufc]

It is strange that we actually get pen calls, 50/50s and correct red calls in our favour in Europe but not in PL. It's almost as if English refs think it's not worth the flack from the media that they'll get for giving us the correct call

 

[stevoc]

That's because:

• You don't see United players rolling around like being hit by a bus whenever an opposition player who was booked before tackles them
• You don't see United players targeting full-backs who are on early yellow cards
• You don't see United taking advantage of a certain situation to put pressure on the referee

We were not getting calls like blatant penalties, like the Scot McTominay one v Palace, so no wonder we are not getting red cards. The opposite, we are getting some shocking calls like the penalty vs West Ham, Bruno's red v Tottenham, Havertz penalty for Arsenal. Just crazy decisions.

So you see it as United's players being at fault?

 

[Pexbo]

It is strange that we actually get pen calls, 50/50s and correct red calls in our favour in Europe but not in PL. It's almost as if English refs think it's not worth the flack from the media that they'll get for giving us the correct call

For me it kinda reinforces that our hard done by feeling in the premier league isn’t just natural viewer bias. Europe feels somewhat neutral, we’ve had some harsh decisions but in hindsight they have been consistently applied in other matches to other teams too. In the premier league it’s farcical and we consistently see that calls against us are not applied evenly to calls for us and we see time and time again comparable calls in other matches being judged completely differently

 

[Fitchett]

Correct, before that it was February 2022. Dunk got a red card vs Brighton.

It's very hard to get sent off against United it seems. They say decisions even themselves out but I do wonder how many domestic Red Cards United have received over the same timeframe.

Thanks guys. I searched everywhere, but no sites keep records of red cards against each clubs opponents, only those for each club. So, only 1 validated red card in the PL against United in more than 3 years, but 3 red cards in 4 matches for our EL opponents. I think that proves the difference between PL refereeing and that in Europe.

 

[LeonDion]

Correct, before that it was February 2022. Dunk got a red card vs Brighton.

It's very hard to get sent off against United it seems. They say decisions even themselves out but I do wonder how many domestic Red Cards United have received over the same timeframe.

It’s around 8 I think including this season.

 

[stevoc]

It’s around 8 I think including this season.

Yeah that sounds about right. Casemiro probably has more red cards than all our domestic opponents combined over the last 3-4 seasons.

 

[Jordan_mufc]

For me it kinda reinforces that our hard done by feeling in the premier league isn’t just natural viewer bias. Europe feels somewhat neutral, we’ve had some harsh decisions but in hindsight they have been consistently applied in other matches to other teams too. In the premier league it’s farcical and we consistently see that calls against us are not applied evenly to calls for us and we see time and time again comparable calls in other matches being judged completely differently

I agree. The decisions over the last 3 or 4 years have been farcical. We have had a couple of lucky ones go our way, but the scales are absolutely tipped in the other direction.

I don't think it's a case of refs hating United or being bent. I just genuinely think that the amount of coverage a favourable United decision gets is a factor. Onana vs Wolves for example, the ref got demoted for a week.

Not worth the trouble for them

 

[Bestie07]

I agree. The decisions over the last 3 or 4 years have been farcical. We have had a couple of lucky ones go our way, but the scales are absolutely tipped in the other direction.

I don't think it's a case of refs hating United or being bent. I just genuinely think that the amount of coverage a favourable United decision gets is a factor. Onana vs Wolves for example, the ref got demoted for a week.

Not worth the trouble for them

For sure, have been banging this drum for years. We still hear about the Pedro Mendes non-goal or the Carrick penalty in the 5-2, and it is nearing or over two decades since those incidents happened.

 

[stevoc]

For sure, have been banging this drum for years. We still hear about the Pedro Mendes non-goal or the Carrick penalty in the 5-2, and it is nearing or over two decades since those incidents happened.

That was a penalty, couldn't believe the bitching about it at the time.

 

[Bubz27]

For sure, have been banging this drum for years. We still hear about the Pedro Mendes non-goal or the Carrick penalty in the 5-2, and it is nearing or over two decades since those incidents happened.

Ain't this the truth! I have friends who constantly send videos of decisions we've had in our favour over the last 30 years. Petty and ridiculous. You'd think he's just trying to wind me up but he genuinely believes we had the referees in our pockets and that's the only reason we won anything.

 

[Vidooq]

So you see it as United's players being at fault?

Partially, yes. We never force the referee hand, nor we know how to take advantage in certain situations.

I'm not under illusion that the final decision lays with the referee, however, we need to be more street smart.

 

[Heinzesight]

That was a penalty, couldn't believe the bitching about it at the time.

Plus, in the first few minutes of that game, Palacios went in rapid, horizontally, two-footed, knee-high on Ronaldo and was a nailed on red card and I’m not sure he was even booked. He didn’t connect but it was a fecking disgusting tackle.

 

[stevoc]

Plus, in the first few minutes of that game, Palacios went in rapid, horizontally, two-footed, knee-high on Ronaldo and was a nailed on red card and I’m not sure he was even booked. He didn’t connect but it was a fecking disgusting tackle.

I remember it well it was a ludicrous tackle.

 

[stevoc]

Partially, yes. We never force the referee hand, nor we know how to take advantage in certain situations.

I'm not under illusion that the final decision lays with the referee, however, we need to be more street smart.

Of your 3 points I'm not sure.

It's a good thing that United players for the most part don't roll around and play act.
I don't think it's a case of we don't target fullbacks, I've watched many games where an opposition fullback makes enough bad tackles to get to yellows. Bt they just don't the threshld is just higher to get a red vs United.
The last one is pretty objective. We do surround the ref sometimes.

• You don't see United players rolling around like being hit by a bus whenever an opposition player who was booked before tackles them
• You don't see United players targeting full-backs who are on early yellow cards
• You don't see United taking advantage of a certain situation to put pressure on the referee

 

[RedDevil@84]

Taylor is the perfect example of how bad PGMOL is

 

[chris123]

I don't always like moaning about refs but whether it's bias or not, Taylor clearly has a thing against us right? I'd be perfectly alright with requesting never to be reffed by him again.

 

[bstb3]

I don't always like moaning about refs but whether it's bias or not, Taylor clearly has a thing against us right? I'd be perfectly alright with requesting never to be reffed by him again.

100%, he does everything he can legally to make it hard for us. Soft bookings, soft free kicks, higher threshold for opposition bookings / fouls and even blows up for time to stop us taking corners. Didn't even add on the right injury time today. He's just biased, it's clear as day and the stats make it even clearer.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Blowing the whistle after 15 seconds is really frustrating. Not sure how much of active play there was after Amad's goal but surely he should give us at least 60 seconds over those 7 minutes? Not sure we'd score but certainly will never know.

 

[Sandikan]

Ain't this the truth! I have friends who constantly send videos of decisions we've had in our favour over the last 30 years. Petty and ridiculous. You'd think he's just trying to wind me up but he genuinely believes we had the referees in our pockets and that's the only reason we won anything.

Of course it's nonsense, but the forum is full of people who reckoned the same for City and now Liverpool.

If you hate a team that much you'll only ever remember the ones that went for that team.

I bet no Arsenal fans mention that wrongly disallowed goal United had in the 99 FA Cup Semi. Giggs had the ball knocked it forward, crossed it in, but for some reason the linesman reckoned Giggs playing it to himself was an offside. I can still see Keano ranting at the ref to goon Arsenal fans waving imaginary beans behind him.

But because United won, the press didn't even mention what could have been an utterly critical decision.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Of course it's nonsense, but the forum is full of people who reckoned the same for City and now Liverpool.

If you hate a team that much you'll only ever remember the ones that went for that team.

I bet no Arsenal fans mention that wrongly disallowed goal United had in the 99 FA Cup Semi. Giggs had the ball knocked it forward, crossed it in, but for some reason the linesman reckoned Giggs playing it to himself was an offside. I can still see Keano ranting at the ref to goon Arsenal fans waving imaginary beans behind him.

But because United won, the press didn't even mention what could have been an utterly critical decision.

I don’t remember that myself!

 

[Bubz27]

Of course it's nonsense, but the forum is full of people who reckoned the same for City and now Liverpool.

If you hate a team that much you'll only ever remember the ones that went for that team.

I bet no Arsenal fans mention that wrongly disallowed goal United had in the 99 FA Cup Semi. Giggs had the ball knocked it forward, crossed it in, but for some reason the linesman reckoned Giggs playing it to himself was an offside. I can still see Keano ranting at the ref to goon Arsenal fans waving imaginary beans behind him.

But because United won, the press didn't even mention what could have been an utterly critical decision.

Fair point. I don't know if we'll be citing specific examples in 20 years time but I see the point.

 

[Sandikan]

I don’t remember that myself!

Or the offside Henry goal at Highbury, or the handball Drogba goal. Or the wrongly disallowed goal v Porto that started the Mourinho beast up. That was a real sliding doors moment. We win that tie, he doesn't go on to win that cup and he doesn't make Chelsea a machine.

We've as many of these calls that didn't go for us, as rival fans can name against us.