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Some of like a bit of accuracy not conspiracy theoriesTough crowd
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We don't need stats. Everyone should know by now that we are the most unlucky team when it comes to decisions. We have lost so many points over years because of bad calls. I would say that we lose about 20 points every year because of decisions. Decisions that are looked differently in other games.Thought this was a very interesting read.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...eferee-error-first-half-premier-league-season
Summary is that we are the joint second worst screwed team thanks to VAR so far this season.
Don’t see how the tennis model couldn’t be utilised?
A perceived bad call is made, the manager immediately calls for one of his reviews and the normal VAR process takes place.
Once’s he’s used his challenges only the referee calls apply thereafter.
Microanalysis of every decision has taken much of the beauty and reaction out of the sport and I think it was highlighted in this round of the cup. Despite Arsenal’s rat behaviour, it’s probably the most enjoyable game I’ve seen in a while because you could react naturally.
Agreed but it’s good to see it spelled out in black and white rather than just people’s feelings.We don't need stats. Everyone should know by now that we are the most unlucky team when it comes to decisions. We have lost so many points over years because of bad calls. I would say that we lose about 20 points every year because of decisions. Decisions that are looked differently in other games.
Didn't enjoy the fact we conceded a penalty but no VAR is overturning that. Never having their mate outed as being that bad ever.I did not enjoy the penalty. I would have enjoyed it getting repealed.
If you’re doing it right, hubba hubba.Is unnatural position still a thing?
Don’t see how the tennis model couldn’t be utilised?
A perceived bad call is made, the manager immediately calls for one of his reviews and the normal VAR process takes place.
Once’s he’s used his challenges only the referee calls apply thereafter.
Microanalysis of every decision has taken much of the beauty and reaction out of the sport and I think it was highlighted in this round of the cup. Despite Arsenal’s rat behaviour, it’s probably the most enjoyable game I’ve seen in a while because you could react naturally.
I wasn’t sure if this was a red card or not. I’m leaning towards yellow being the fairest outcome, but I was surprised that VAR seemingly felt it was a potential red card offence but the ref, having gone to the monitor, overruled them after judging for himself and gave the Bournemouth player a yellow.
Totally agree. The last red card for hair pulling on cucurella was also a joke. He is such a annoying character.Yeah, red would be way overboard in my opinion. It's more or less the same kind of tactical foul we see multiple times in almost every game. Cucurella was looking for the foul–cutting Brooks' running path, diving, and then the embarassing face holding rubbish–and got more than he expected. For me the most important factor to refuse red is that Cucurella is diving before he has even crossed Brooks' path. So, rightly or wrongly, I'm glad a referee finally had the balls to decide for himself instead of fold to the almighty VAR. If he'd have sent him off, I'd send our scouting team out to sign Cousin Itt.
I should add that I'm all for booking tactical fouls that prevent counter attacks.
Don’t see how the tennis model couldn’t be utilised?
A perceived bad call is made, the manager immediately calls for one of his reviews and the normal VAR process takes place.
Once’s he’s used his challenges only the referee calls apply thereafter.
Microanalysis of every decision has taken much of the beauty and reaction out of the sport and I think it was highlighted in this round of the cup. Despite Arsenal’s rat behaviour, it’s probably the most enjoyable game I’ve seen in a while because you could react naturally.
I think one problem is the veneration of the center ref, that they are master arbiters of the laws. Why not do what they do in hockey with 2 refs in the center, two linesman, and a VAR overseen from somewhere else? A center ref is often behind the play, and VAR should never be telling them to go look at a monitor: it should be the ref asking to review something that is game-changing (pen, red card). If the ref makes a call and is happy with the call, play the feck on.
100%. I honestly don’t understand why everyone doesn’t feel this way.
This couldn't work. Say you had three challenges a game and you used them all on very marginal calls that could go either way even after VAR so you lose your challenges and then a fourth incident happens which is stonewall robbery and the team can't challenge...as soon as that happened the whole system would lose integrity and people would be kicking off.Don’t see how the tennis model couldn’t be utilised?
A perceived bad call is made, the manager immediately calls for one of his reviews and the normal VAR process takes place.
Once’s he’s used his challenges only the referee calls apply thereafter.
Microanalysis of every decision has taken much of the beauty and reaction out of the sport and I think it was highlighted in this round of the cup. Despite Arsenal’s rat behaviour, it’s probably the most enjoyable game I’ve seen in a while because you could react naturally.
Kind of depends how you think about it. I find that fundamentally ridiculous, because 99 decisions in a match are made by that ref, in whatever condition he is in, then you only get the benefit of replays, lowered heart rate, time and so forth for 1 or 2.The refs in the VAR studio should have ultimate say and instruct the on pitch ref, not the reverse.
Letting the guy who has to run around without the benefit of replays have the final day is completely absurd.
"Going to the monitor" shouldn't be a thing. Just tell the on pitch ref what the decision is. They're all equally qualified, why let the guy who is knackered and under pressure from he players/fans have to make the call?
Sure, let the on pitch ref control the game but if the equally qualified ref in the VAR studio sees a mistake, tell him. Saying "I think you want to take a second look at this and make millions of people wait for you to agree with me" is dumb.Kind of depends how you think about it. I find that fundamentally ridiculous, because 99 decisions in a match are made by that ref, in whatever condition he is in, then you only get the benefit of replays, lowered heart rate, time and so forth for 1 or 2.
Refereeing in football is interpretive, not factual. It's part of the game.
VAR should only be used for massive, non judgement related mistakes or misses. Or else you have what we have now: fouls that are only fouls in VAR, but not in real time.
Your argument makes me think that a 2nd ref on var is useless. They will always cover for each other.Sure, let the on pitch ref control the game but if the equally qualified ref in the VAR studio sees a mistake, tell him. Saying "I think you want to take a second look at this and make millions of people wait for you to agree with me" is dumb.
The Cucurella decision yesterday was the first time this season that they've disagreed, and we're halfway through January. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
You're right that some decisions are subjective but why is the on pitch ref making the call? He's had players in his ear all game and fans on his back.
Cucurella is an annoying scrote of a player, loves instigating contact and then going to the ground.
Was Mata an annoying scrote?Considering where he's from what else would you expect?
I wasn’t sure if this was a red card or not. I’m leaning towards yellow being the fairest outcome, but I was surprised that VAR seemingly felt it was a potential red card offence but the ref, having gone to the monitor, overruled them after judging for himself and gave the Bournemouth player a yellow.
Was Mata an annoying scrote?
Was he from the Barcelona academy?
Why would that happen? Every manager would know how many challenges they have before time, it’s down to them how to use it. No different to tennis, American football, cricket. It’s a skill to use them well.This couldn't work. Say you had three challenges a game and you used them all on very marginal calls that could go either way even after VAR so you lose your challenges and then a fourth incident happens which is stonewall robbery and the team can't challenge...as soon as that happened the whole system would lose integrity and people would be kicking off.
Reffing is subjective mostly so it would fall apart unless it was all or nothing.
Personally, I'd like to see automated offsides and then bin off VAR in general except for serious foul play and horror tackles.
Penalties and red cardsWhy would that happen? Every manager would know how many challenges they have before time, it’s down to them how to use it. No different to tennis, American football, cricket. It’s a skill to use them well.
I would also say challenges can only be used for penalty decisions. Offsides should still be VAR led but the rule probably needs looking at.
Yellow was a decent call and it's good to see ref using their own judgement.
They shouldn't be dictated to from Stockley park. They know the job, show them the footage and they make the call or not.
That being said, I don't think this tech works in football. It slows the game down, they get calls wrong still and it increases the focus on the refs to the detriment of the sport and entertainment.
Scrap it and just keep goal line, that can be wrong as well, due to margin of error, but doesn't have the other problems.
Keep offsides too? Just keep it semi automatic.Yellow was a decent call and it's good to see ref using their own judgement.
They shouldn't be dictated to from Stockley park. They know the job, show them the footage and they make the call or not.
That being said, I don't think this tech works in football. It slows the game down, they get calls wrong still and it increases the focus on the refs to the detriment of the sport and entertainment.
Scrap it and just keep goal line, that can be wrong as well, due to margin of error, but doesn't have the other problems.
Yeah, red would be way overboard in my opinion. It's more or less the same kind of tactical foul we see multiple times in almost every game. Cucurella was looking for the foul–cutting Brooks' running path, diving, and then the embarassing face holding rubbish–and got more than he expected. For me the most important factor to refuse red is that Cucurella is diving before he has even crossed Brooks' path. So, rightly or wrongly, I'm glad a referee finally had the balls to decide for himself instead of fold to the almighty VAR. If he'd have sent him off, I'd send our scouting team out to sign Cousin Itt.
I should add that I'm all for booking tactical fouls that prevent counter attacks.
The most famous Barca graduate ever actually stood out as not being a Cucurella style melodramatic cheat.
Yeah as long as it can only be used to reverse a red that the ref has given to your team. I have no interest in managers challenging yellows and getting them upgraded to red.Penalties and red cards
Yellow was a decent call and it's good to see ref using their own judgement.
They shouldn't be dictated to from Stockley park. They know the job, show them the footage and they make the call or not.
That being said, I don't think this tech works in football. It slows the game down, they get calls wrong still and it increases the focus on the refs to the detriment of the sport and entertainment.
Scrap it and just keep goal line, that can be wrong as well, due to margin of error, but doesn't have the other problems.
I agree, it's how the ref is managing the game, not fastidious slavish devotion to the letter of the law.Kind of depends how you think about it. I find that fundamentally ridiculous, because 99 decisions in a match are made by that ref, in whatever condition he is in, then you only get the benefit of replays, lowered heart rate, time and so forth for 1 or 2.
Refereeing in football is interpretive, not factual. It's part of the game.
VAR should only be used for massive, non judgement related mistakes or misses. Or else you have what we have now: fouls that are only fouls in VAR, but not in real time.