Viktor Gyökeres

Ezkay said:
Well in todays day and age everything seems to be public, I don't see why it would suddenly be so private for Gyokeres especially considering Fabrizio can't stop tweeting his name during the entire season
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Think of transfers as an iceberg. Outside observers can only see the 5% visible above water, consisting largely of truth, misinformation, and speculation.

The remaining 95% consisting of private interactions between clubs, agents, managers, and players - a vast majority of which is deliberately kept private to preserve the discretion of negotiations - remains underwater.

With rare exception, only the best journos like Ornstein and a very short list of his contemporaries, are occasionally given morsels of information by random contacts they have on the inside, which they then make public.

Probably 99% of everything we see is just made up speculation by lower quality journos and monetized social media aggregator accounts in desperate search of daily content.

The reality is we actually know very little of what is happening behind the scenes and in a way, that’s what makes the drama and intrigue of it all so interesting.
 
The only concern about Gyokeres is his heading ability is quite poor and Amorim's style of play tend put in many crosses from AM/WB into the box
 
mctrials23 said:
Yoro, Martinez, De Ligt are all better defenders. Maguires biggest asset is his resilience against injury and his attitude.
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Yoro has great potential, he’s not there yet, but is now making massive strides forward (literally and figuratively).

Martinez - no chance. He’s never been good enough, and this system exposes him even more to his significant weaknesses.

De Ligt - there’s a good argument to say he’s our best defender.

What we don’t have is a player who we can clearly say is our best defender, and there is a good argument that it is in fact Maguire.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Yoro has great potential, he’s not there yet, but is now making massive strides forward (literally and figuratively).

Martinez - no chance. He’s never been good enough, and this system exposes him even more to his significant weaknesses.

De Ligt - there’s a good argument to say he’s our best defender.

What we don’t have is a player who we can clearly say is our best defender, and there is a good argument that it is in fact Maguire.
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Martinez is undoubtedly the worst defender in this system. He's even more of an unknown factor than Heaven who has outperformed him in a fraction of performances under Amorim.
 
gorky_utd said:
Is there any link actually with him? Or is there any link with a new striker?
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All that was said was he’s coming back to the PL . No concrete links with United as of yet if you take Ruben and our need for a striker out of the equation
 
Rolaholic said:
Whitwell this morning said he's still likely RA's first choice
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I’m sure that’s the case, but really don’t think that matters. What does the player think?

Other clubs might be quite risk adverse to him, given the league he’s in, and age.

The market for him might not be that big - which plays into our hands.

If Arsenal go for someone else, or continue to have a phobia about buying strikers, what other options does he actually have?
 
Redstain said:
Martinez is undoubtedly the worst defender in this system. He's even more of an unknown factor than Heaven who has outperformed him in a fraction of performances under Amorim.
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Not sure why you’d think Martinez is the worst defender in the system. I’m not too big on him but he was important in how one defender would jump and be super aggressive, also his progressive passing was important in the backline
 
Spark said:
You mean Gyokeres who scored loads of goals for Amorim?

edit: what @romufc said
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Did I say he didn't score lots of goal? The concern is in PL where there are more crosses and winning the ball in the air either side of the goal is very important. Other European league tend to play more on the ground but not PL.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Yoro has great potential, he’s not there yet, but is now making massive strides forward (literally and figuratively).

Martinez - no chance. He’s never been good enough, and this system exposes him even more to his significant weaknesses.

De Ligt - there’s a good argument to say he’s our best defender.

What we don’t have is a player who we can clearly say is our best defender, and there is a good argument that it is in fact Maguire.
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Good post. It was very clear that Maguire is our best defender for last 1 or 2 years
 
Yakuza_devils said:
The only concern about Gyokeres is his heading ability is quite poor and Amorim's style of play tend put in many crosses from AM/WB into the box
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Agree, not the best header.

But he didnt struggle with scoring goals under Amorim at Sporting.

And i think a lot of the crosses we are putting in now is because we cant work the ball through midfield so it gets forced out wide too much, which leads to crosses.

Gyokeres scored a lot of goals at Sporting with an "up, back and through". Ball got played upto Gyokeres, he would hold up and pass back to one of the tens who would then look to feed it back to Gyokeres or a third man runner.

Encourage all fans to watch this tactical breakdown of Sporting under Amorim which shows how they like to build up and how Gyokeres gets his goals.....



I think it also helps to highlight the players we need to bring in at United to make the system work.
 
It's his birthday tomorrow. He's also pulled out of the national squad with a minor injury.
 
Gambit said:
It's his birthday tomorrow. He's also pulled out of the national squad with a minor injury.
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So he clearly faked an injury to get out of useless Nations League games, so he can celebrate his birthday by going on a massive bender. Do not want.
 
gaffs said:
Agree, not the best header.

But he didnt struggle with scoring goals under Amorim at Sporting.

And i think a lot of the crosses we are putting in now is because we cant work the ball through midfield so it gets forced out wide too much, which leads to crosses.

Gyokeres scored a lot of goals at Sporting with an "up, back and through". Ball got played upto Gyokeres, he would hold up and pass back to one of the tens who would then look to feed it back to Gyokeres or a third man runner.

Encourage all fans to watch this tactical breakdown of Sporting under Amorim which shows how they like to build up and how Gyokeres gets his goals.....



I think it also helps to highlight the players we need to bring in at United to make the system work.
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Agree and am aware of this. But in PL, even Pep, Klopp and Arteta sometime need to add variation to their style of play with direct long balls, crosses and etc.

That is the reason some players from other European leagues struggle in PL.
 
Raoul said:
Tough cope over at FAM TV.

Then: Gyokeres is amazing



Now: Darwin was also amazing

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Can't believe Robbie spent all the money he made from Arsenal's banter years on new eyebrows.
 
Rolaholic said:
Whitwell this morning said he's still likely RA's first choice
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There were some reports of disagreements between Amorim and Vivell / Wilcox about this. Amorim always wanted Gyokeres and the club wanted Delap. It looks like they went for Delap and ended up not getting him anyway, so let's see, maybe we move for Gyokeres now.

I think for a transition side, guys like Mbuemo, Cunha and Gyokeres will be insane. I don't know how that maps to our game model under Amroim. If the ball is at the half way line and the CBs are passing it between themselves side to side as they usually do, the front 3 of Mbuemo, Cunha and Gyokeres doesn't inspire confidence.

You need a guy like Slot or De Zerbi where they bait the press by going deep, manufacture a transition and then kill oppositions on the break.
 
It seems clear that our primary targets are Cunha and Mbeumo which costs about our transfer budget of 120M.

Gyokeres will need to be depending on the sale to generate 70M for him.

Waiting for Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Sancho and Onana to go
 
Yakuza_devils said:
It seems clear that our primary targets are Cunha and Mbeumo which costs about our transfer budget of 120M.

Gyokeres will need to be depending on the sale to generate 70M for him.

Waiting for Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Sancho and Onana to go
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We should be able to generate 70m from the sale of Antony and Garnacho alone. But I have no idea what the market is for Rashford, Sancho and Onana. But assuming we do sell all 5, we’ll easily clear 70m.
 
lex talionis said:
We should be able to generate 70m from the sale of Antony and Garnacho alone. But I have no idea what the market is for Rashford, Sancho and Onana. But assuming we do sell all 5, we’ll easily clear 70m.
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Of course we will easily get much more than 70M. We need the funds to also buy a GK and hopefully a CM
 
Yakuza_devils said:
It seems clear that our primary targets are Cunha and Mbeumo which costs about our transfer budget of 120M.

Gyokeres will need to be depending on the sale to generate 70M for him.

Waiting for Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Sancho and Onana to go
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Rash/Garnacho will cover it. Hopefully they are talking to him now behind the scenes.
 
lex talionis said:
We should be able to generate 70m from the sale of Antony and Garnacho alone. But I have no idea what the market is for Rashford, Sancho and Onana. But assuming we do sell all 5, we’ll easily clear 70m.
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I think a midfield partner for Bruno is a bigger priority than a striker. Maybe next summer a striker will be bought, but the window of opportunity may not be there. Whatever happens, at least there seems to be a plan. And no more throwing 70-80-100 mill on useless players.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Of course we will easily get much more than 70M. We need the funds to also buy a GK and hopefully a CM
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I have no idea where you think we are getting easily more than 70M. Antony won't generate anything as we need minimum 35M just to cover what we owe on him and good luck getting that after his disappearing act in the Conference League final. Rashford and Sancho will be loan moves at best and Garnacho won't generate more than 40M, not sure who else we can sell that will actually generate profit unless you want to start discussing moving on Mainoo and Collyer.
 
Gandalf said:
I have no idea where you think we are getting easily more than 70M. Antony won't generate anything as we need minimum 35M just to cover what we owe on him and good luck getting that after his disappearing act in the Conference League final. Rashford and Sancho will be loan moves at best and Garnacho won't generate more than 40M, not sure who else we can sell that will actually generate profit unless you want to start discussing moving on Mainoo and Collyer.
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Antony 30M (not as you stated PSR value). Sancho 20M from Chelsea. Rashford hopefully 40M. Garnacho 40M. Onana 10M.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Antony 30M (not as you stated PSR value). Sancho 20M from Chelsea. Rashford hopefully 40M. Garnacho 40M. Onana 10M.
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Who is giving us 30M for Antony? If somebody does we still owe that in remaining instalments on his original fee to Ajax so we have not made anything we can spend there.
Chelsea are not buying Sancho and with his refusal to lower his wages it is fairly clear that he won't be sold.
Rashford has no suitors, he wants Barca and they have stated they would take him on a subsidized loan only.
Garnacho, fair enough that is 40M in profit that we can spend.
Onana is not being sold, this has been confirmed by Whitwell and Ornstein, we are not looking to change keepers this window other than maybe swapping out Altay for a different number 2.
 
Been awfully quiet about him moving to United. Its always about Arseanal Arseanal. A good sign. Probably in the bag. Next target please
 
Yakuza_devils said:
The only concern about Gyokeres is his heading ability is quite poor and Amorim's style of play tend put in many crosses from AM/WB into the box
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By that reasoning, Gyokeres should have floundered at Sporting under Amorim and not succeeded, surely?

To be quite honest, the type of crosses that we largely see under Amorim isn't ones in the air; it's pull-backs towards the penalty spot. That is the one prevailing attempted cross that happens under Amorim, and it's on the floor, which suits Gyokeres.
 
Hoof the ball said:
By that reasoning, Gyokeres should have floundered at Sporting under Amorim and not succeeded, surely?

To be quite honest, the type of crosses that we largely see under Amorim isn't ones in the air; it's pull-backs towards the penalty spot. That is the one prevailing attempted cross that happens under Amorim, and it's on the floor, which suits Gyokeres.
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Yeah that's a very good point hence why I said in Osimhen thread that he's a better fit for this system
 
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