Lovely football from Spurs but VVD got boateng’d. Horrific defending
Virgil van Dijk | Performances
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Robertson and him were awful today. Van Dijk can’t play in a high line any more.
They wouldn't. They really wouldn't. It's like you think all these historic teams played on their own six yard box.
Not at all but they didn't play the same way they do now. Cafu was ridiculed for his defending (in his own words) now he is the bench mark for full backs. Midfielders had to cover alot more ground as football was far more rigid, now its more fluid you have cb's stepping into midfield, full back playing like wide midfielders and wingers playing like forwards.
Do I think Baresi would do better than VVD in this Liverpool team? Probably, but he'd still get murdered on the counter (possibly more so than VVD because VVD is quicker).
Teams play higher up, fullbacks are far more attacking. Wingers play further up than they to. Theres been a huge tactical shift towards pressing and high lines, its not even debateable. Theres a huge area of space between the half way line and six yard box.
The role of a fullback now is very different to the 90's and CB's are often left in a 2 at the back. Teams like Bayern, Liverpool, City do this all the time.
This is how Sacchi Milan (who were high pressers for their time) pressed and played offside.
Compare the number of players in the defensive positions to that of modern Liverpool.
Liverpool are clearly leaving their defenders far more exposed by choice.
Jorginho has been the highest ranked DM in a Balon dor votes in a long time. Yet can't make the Arsenal team
Does anyone argue that he's even an ok defender anymore? He's at fault for so many of the goals they concede it's crazy. And he's a coward defensively.
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The best part about this is, that it's not exactly prime Ronaldinho breaking his ankles, but 34 year old Ivan Perisic playing from wingback. At least when Boateng fell down it was to Lionel Messi at his best.
Midfielders I said, played more box to box is probably a better way of saying it than covered more ground if you prefer, but well done on completely avoiding the point of the post yet again.
Now unless you can somehow back up that teams don't play higher, pressing much further forward with more attacking fbs exposing cbs more, I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to argue here?
That older defenders would somehow excel in an era that demands far more of them? An era where just about every aspect is leaning heavily towards attackers?
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Not the player he used to be anymore... no chance that Koeman will take him out of the team though.
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Still hasn’t been dribbled past though
He’s a genius actually, you can’t be dribbled if you simply disengage and let them through
That is woeful defending.
It's like he hasn't a clue where he is or what he should be doing.
Watch the ball way of defending isnt working anymore.
He's been absolutely terrible for ages now.
Always liked the look of that Chiesa fella.
Arent newcastle interested in him?
Arent newcastle interested in him?
I was just going to post this. He was never as good as he got made out to be.Still hasn’t been dribbled past though
He’s a genius actually, you can’t be dribbled if you simply disengage and let them through
Had 2 seasons for Liverpool where the whole team was excellent, but got elevated where people were talking about his as a top top class CB.
Very passive defending. Sort of like Lindelof at his worst.
Completely agree, sadly.
His and the signing of the GK elevated them. Was clear to see
Wish the video wasn’t cropped, looks like he was about to start handing out blame for that one which is delicious.
He’s finished
He had two great seasons at Liverpool and that was it. And the hype that those two seasons generated was always absurd.
All those people insisting he's the best defender the PL has ever seen
Saw this clips of Maldini
I see he hardly backs away from a challenge unlike Van Dijk who some argued was the best ever
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I see he hardly backs away from a challenge unlike Van Dijk who some argued was the best ever
A two-season wonder. Defenders like these are so common.
As per the standard quotes it's "3 mins of Maldini making mistake".
Apparently making tackle means defender has already messed up, so it's 3 mins of his mistake videos.
According to maldini's stupid quote he has made countless mistakes in that video by having to tackle.
Maldini was just out of this world.
Had a friends kid over and they were playing FIFA ultimate team, who'd never have seen him play complain about him winning every ball off Haaland in the game. Said, he'd never do that, he's only got this badge.
I just said, that's probably the most realistic thing I've ever seen in that game.
Being pedantic here, but Boateng was also done in a very similar way against Sardar Azmoun, not just messi.
An unwanted bump to a thread about Van Dijk and then discussing different players. Robbing me of the chance to laugh further at VVD.
What a player he was. Excellent on the ball, reading of the game and his anticipation were second to none, and he didn’t mind putting his body on the line too.
This part especially
Defending is a dirty job. You use everything to prevent a goal bound move or shot, This is where the Italians, Vidic, Ramos, Terry even Ruben Dias excelled. Which is why the "I didn't get dribbled" stat shows you are most likely running away from attackers
In many of those moves, Maldini was already beaten for pace and had to make the tackle
Are you expecting Maldini's highlights to include all of his errors - and thus as there isn't any included he must not have made any? What a weird comparison.
He was top top class before the injury. But that injury did him really bad. The difference is clear to see.
I'd get if he lost a yard of pace but other aspects of reading of the game, positioning has gone downhill as well. Sometimes, he just stands there staring at the ball allowing his opponent a free shot. This bit is difficult to explain.
I know, my post wasn't serious. It's sort of a pisstake on the people who actually worship the Maldini quote about tackling "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake"
It's not difficult to explain, he was always that type of defender who relied on pace to bail him out and close the space, and now when he doesn't have the pace he can"t do that and probably thinks it's below his level to chase and tackle people around considering his arogancy.