About your last paragraph, it's been happening tbh. Plenty of players make runs when they're in offsides positions initially only to let one of their teammates touch and carry the ball. What happened yesterday wasn't the first time.It's not comparable.
Ederson was confused and had to take guess which United player was going to take shot. Walker was confused, if he had knew Rashford wasn't going to get the ball he would've closed Bruno down.
Your strongest argument is Akanji should've played to the whistle no matter what but it still doesn't explain above.
If offside player can just make feign moves & dummy run and get away with it then no point playing off side trap anymore.
Yes, plenty are giving the defenders an out when they should have also been aware of Bruno and covered him – or as you say, play to the whistle. The shot also came from the same spot Rashford would have stuck it, so the goalkeeper doesn't get an out either. Right decision.He basically dummied the ball and the city players are aggrieved that they fell for it. We’d be pissed off if it’d happened to us but c’est la vie. Next time those city players will play to the ref’s whistle.
He didn’t even charge out. The keeper is where he should be in that position by standing around the penalty spot and literally doesn’t move. Even the Ederson point is nonsenseProbably in the minority here but I think the new rule is an improvement in that it reduces the need to judge intent. Of course, this swings the balance of power towards the attacking team.
I’ve got zero sympathy for Akanji. Playing 11 a side on Sundays using amateur linesmen, I could never really tell whether we were successful playing the offside trap so we’d just keep going till the ref blew the whistle. Does Akanji know for sure that someone else hasn’t played Rashford on?
As for Ederson, we seem to be trying to fit the line of sight principle to this situation. Yes, Ederson might have played it differently if Rashford wasn’t there. But then he did charge out stupidly in the first half so maybe he wouldn’t have. Who knows? That’s why this rule is better imo.
Completely agree with this. It's because it's United.The only argument that really has much merit for me is that the keeper shouldn't have had to think about Rashford and Fernandes and wondering which would shoot. If any of the defenders would have put in enough effort or been able to get close enough to Rashford for them to have to consider his presence in their stride or move at all to avoid him it would have been chalked off. They didn't so he wasn't interfering with anything. Thats what the rule is getting at. If you are offside, it doesn't matter unless you directly impede the opposition in some way either by blocking their line of sight or making them take action to avoid you. Rashford did neither. Only thing that is questionable is whether the keeper was in two minds about who was going to shoot.
Would I have been annoyed if it was the other way around? Yep. In the grand scheme of questionable decisions this season its not even a footnote. United are just the biggest club in the country when it comes to attention so anything that happens with us is magnified. When Kane cheats to win Spurs penalties and games its not given this much scrutiny. When a handball is given or not given its not given this scrutiny.
Walker should play to the whistle is the point. He could have closed Bruno down and didn't.It's not comparable.
Ederson was confused and had to take guess which United player was going to take shot. Walker was confused, if he had knew Rashford wasn't going to get the ball he would've closed Bruno down.
Your strongest argument is Akanji should've played to the whistle no matter what but it still doesn't explain above.
If offside player can just make feign moves & dummy run and get away with it then no point playing off side trap anymore.
Because he thought Rashford was going to take the shot.Walker should play to the whistle is the point. He could have closed Bruno down and didn't.
Play to the whistle, not to a thought is the professional way, in fact its the only way.Because he thought Rashford was going to take the shot.
100% this. I'm trying to recall which game it was that we played City over the last couple of years, where a City player was was ambling from an offside position (think it may have been Fernandinho), was deemed not to be interfering with play when the ball was booted upfield towards him, and a City player subsequently scored (due to his "non-interference"). I'll take this goal thank you.It’s a technicality, but it’s also against the spirit of the game let’s have it right. I personally couldn’t give less of a shit though, considering the amount of times we’ve been fecked by bent decisions this season.
But it's not clearly offside if you read the rulesIt's clearly offside. If it happened at the other end you'd all be going mad. But despite that I thought united were the better side.
Yeah I agree, at the least it's unclear on the goalie situation - I was just saying what I think should be offside!The Motd analysis was shocking. They put the rule up and then let Richards go on a rant about it, with no regard to what the law actually says. They should have analysed it under the rules first (probably a legitimate goal but some debate about Ederson) and then considered whether the rule is correct.
Personally, this is not a rule I would change. We want to see more goals and defenders need to learn to play to the whistle, not think they’ve done their job because one player is offside. Plus, the speed of thought of Rashford/Bruno should be rewarded.
Edit - and actually I think technically on the specific wording of the rule any impact that he had on Ederson’s positioning shouldn’t be taken into account.
Of course, but it wasn’tJust imagine if this was a City goal. Would you have said it was offside? Put your Utd glasses off.
They thought Rashford was offside and thus went through the motions.Have you seen the goal? Walker doesn’t get near either Bruno or Rashford? Let’s just say what you say is true, wouldn’t chasing Rashford instead of Bruno mean the presence of Rashford is making them run faster towards the ball thus making it a disadvantage for United?
You can enjoy it without having to misrepresent the event, just as I am enjoying the win.IMO Bruno gets to the ball anyway so rashford had little impact when you watch in real time. It’s beautiful to see all the salty ABU tears!!
This. /ThreadLooks like the answer, in the current rules, is no.
The correct decision.
What Walker thinks does not amount to Rashford interfering. Same for Akanji trying to play him offside. Rashford doesn't play an active role here.Because he thought Rashford was going to take the shot.
Like I said. If that happens at the other end, united fans are going mental. The laws of the game are a hot mess. He's offside.But it's not clearly offside if you read the rules
Walker doesn’t get ahead of Bruno at al, you should watch the goal againThey thought Rashford was offside and thus went through the motions.
Walker still gets ahead of Bruno and even waves a lazy leg to block once he sees Bruno is striking the ball.
I'm having trouble getting the image in the post but here is a link https://ibb.co/HtLBfgz
Look at the image in the link I posted.Walker doesn’t get ahead of Bruno at al, you should watch the goal again
Play to the whistle.Because he thought Rashford was going to take the shot.
Yeah, the issue seems to be how the officials determine the outcome. The eventual ruling is based upon how much Rashfords influence has potentially affected the outcome.But it's not clearly offside if you read the rules
Rashford was ahead of him. Are you suggesting that he fouls him as the last defender?If akanji had actually tried to pressure the ball and tackle rashford it would have been given everytime, the naivety of just holding back was the deciding factor he won’t do that again.
The image means nothing, go look at the goal. Walker starts from further out but Bruno has the inside lane to get to the ball first. That’s why Walker kind of runs parallel to the shot because he can’t get across.Look at the image in the link I posted.
The laws are a mess but he's not offsideLike I said. If that happens at the other end, united fans are going mental. The laws of the game are a hot mess. He's offside.
Mean closing down, not necessary blocking the ball. Walker could definitely do that. Are we going to argue if they had knew Bruno was going to take it 100% of the time, they wouldn't have made it harder for him?Walker doesn’t get ahead of Bruno at al, you should watch the goal again
The image means nothing, go look at the goal. Walker starts from further out but Bruno has the inside lane to get to the ball first. That’s why Walker kind of runs parallel to the shot because he can’t get across.
At no point does Walker slow down or change direction towards Rashford.
Casemiro ball completely takes out the City defenders. It would be ball of the season if he meant it!
You are going to keep spinning regardless of what I show you.Walker doesn’t get ahead of Bruno at al, you should watch the goal again
You can't penalize Bruno for Akanji's and Walker's mental weaknesses.There's no ground to argue that Rashford's action(down to last second) didn't have influence on City players' mental state. For Akanji and maybe Walker, I can accept it but Ederson? No fricking way.
But Walker can’t get near him, he’s trying and can’t do it.I mean closing down, not necessary blocking the ball. Walker could definitely do that. Are we going to argue if they had knew Bruno was going to take it 100% of the time, they wouldn't have made it harder for him?
There's no ground to argue that Rashford's action(down to last second) didn't have influence on City players' mental state. For Akanji and maybe Walker, I can accept it but Ederson? No fricking way.
No one's going to take the win away. United was the better team and deserved 3 points but it's also okay to just accept it as a happy mistake.
Jebus, it's like arguing with a wall now.You can't penalize Bruno for Akanji's and Walker's mental weaknesses.
Not my fault your argument is shit.Jebus, it's like arguing with a wall now.
I give up. As long as 31% is the minority, I'm fine with it.