Jay-Z and Kanye
anyone D/L this album yet?
No Church in the Wild
Gotta Have It
Who Gon Stop Me
it's alright, not the biggest Kanye fan though...so that's probably clouding my judgment.
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Jay-Z and Kanye
anyone D/L this album yet?
No Church in the Wild
Gotta Have It
Who Gon Stop Me
it's alright, not the biggest Kanye fan though...so that's probably clouding my judgment.
Forced myself to listen to it.
Really really disliked it. I can't tell you how far I've gone from both Jay-Z and Kanye West.
I listen back to what they did together a decade ago now, it's beyond sad.
Really really disliked it. I can't tell you how far I've gone from both Jay-Z and Kanye West.
I listen back to what they did together a decade ago now, it's beyond sad.
I'm listening to it now. I've been bumping College Dropout for the last 3 weeks. That album will always sound fresh to me.
Downloading it as we speak, hope I'm not disappointed.
Didn't like. Will download deluxe version soon to see if I like any of the hidden tracks. Expected better production and more creativity.
I got the deluxe stuff, the whole thing is a waste of time.
Can't remember the last time I was this underwhelmed, and I had low expectations for this album to start with
Yup, this can't hold a candle to their earlier stuff. Like I said in another thread, just 2 overinflated egos sucking each other off
It's an awful awful album, what the feck happened to them? How can they both think this is the pinnacle of their careers?
I knew it would be awful......my mate who loves Big Sean wouldn't shut up about how great it was going to be. Cursed.
... I liked it?
Thought the production was pretty hot, lyrics in New Day were pretty wow
Nig*gas in Paris, No Church in the Wild and Gotta Have It have been on replay for a while now
Thought the production was pretty hot, lyrics in New Day were pretty wow
Nig*gas in Paris, No Church in the Wild and Gotta Have It have been on replay for a while now
The album starts of so well with a good track "No church in the wild" and then it tapers off too much. So many filler tracks that seem rushed with sketchy production at best. New Day is a good track as well as The Joy which is only a bonus but should have made the original cut. The album has about 3-4 great tracks and 3-4 are absolute dross like Lift Off and Welcome to the Jungle and then there's a few debatable tracks.
For a such a supposed 'massive moment in rap history' this was mediocrity at its best. It doesn't even seem as if Kanye and Jay connected in the studio. Compare this to Bad Meets Evil and Distant Relatives. Those two collaborations had such better chemistry compared to this. And for 90% of the album Hov and Ye are going on about their indulgence in expensive things yet for all that money and talent they couldn't come up with something better than this.
6/10 at best for me...
For a such a supposed 'massive moment in rap history' this was mediocrity at its best. It doesn't even seem as if Kanye and Jay connected in the studio. Compare this to Bad Meets Evil and Distant Relatives. Those two collaborations had such better chemistry compared to this. And for 90% of the album Hov and Ye are going on about their indulgence in expensive things yet for all that money and talent they couldn't come up with something better than this.
6/10 at best for me...
The production is brilliant imo. I don't get the criticism of that? 
But then again I wouldnt expect anything less then perfect production wise from a Kanye Album. Some of the lyrics do leave you feeling a bit underwhelmed though it has to be said. Jay really doesn't seem to be bothered on about 75% of what he spits these days, its a shame. Especially when you then get a track that he just destroys and you remember just how talented he is. But yeah, there are some quality tracks. Nigg*s in Paris is fecking fantastic. New Day and Made in America both quite emotional and deep. Murder to excellence is quality too. Love Otis too.
But then again I wouldnt expect anything less then perfect production wise from a Kanye Album. Some of the lyrics do leave you feeling a bit underwhelmed though it has to be said. Jay really doesn't seem to be bothered on about 75% of what he spits these days, its a shame. Especially when you then get a track that he just destroys and you remember just how talented he is. But yeah, there are some quality tracks. Nigg*s in Paris is fecking fantastic. New Day and Made in America both quite emotional and deep. Murder to excellence is quality too. Love Otis too.Btw, anyone else feel that when you listen to Jay recently he's really having to work hard. His voice isnt sounding natural and smooth, he's not flowing well. Its like he's breathing harder and not just spitting naturally. Or is it just me?
The production is sensational, anybody doubting that is just hating in my opinion, not sure how Jay keeps letting Kanye outrap him though.
Very good album, the production is what I expect from Kanye right what it should be. Its a little different for Jay-Z he basically rapping on beats that I would guess he wouldn't normally pick but he does well and has some real highlights talking on some peronal subjects. My favorite tracks are Murder to Excellence, New Day, Why I love You and Illest motherfecker alive. Beans gets killed on Why I Love You always wondered why someone would go at someone who basically put you on. People will hate because its different, people always want reasonable doubt or college drop out but Jay-Z and Kanye always move forward trying different things to move the genre forward.
N*ggas hustle every day for a beat from ye
what I do?? turn around and give those beats to Jay
and I'm rapping on them beats there were supposed to buy
I guess I'm getting high off my own supply.
what I do?? turn around and give those beats to Jay
and I'm rapping on them beats there were supposed to buy
I guess I'm getting high off my own supply.
Jay's verse on Illest Motherfecker Alive plus the outro is genius..
"This is what the ending of Scarface should feel like" Just yes
Also the Blades of Glory sample on Nig*as in Paris
"This is what the ending of Scarface should feel like" Just yes
Also the Blades of Glory sample on Nig*as in Paris
The production is brilliant imo. I don't get the criticism of that?
I wholeheartedly disagree on the production. It's brilliant on some tracks (about 3-4) and horrendous on the rest. And CantonaVeron, I'm not even one of those people who hate because of progression, I'm just comparing this to Ye's last album which was stellar in production. There's no comparison for me between Ye's album and this album in production. Take Nigg*s in Paris, it sounds like a kindergarten beat. Don't get me started on the techno rave shit on Lift Off. Take the last 45 seconds of Lift Off's beat and make that the main beat and you have a winner...poor beat choice IMO, and there's many that agree with me. Take the production on Made in America, really, I mean really? Another one, Who Gon Stop Me. Way too dubstep like, it hurts my ears everytime I listen to it. So I'm gon stop you, skip without fail.
Now add to that Jay keeps rapping about the same thing over and over again like black version of Eminem. And Ye auto tuning the whole album through. Someone needs to tell him that he doesn't sound all that great autotuning.
Finally, for what this album was suppose to be and for what it was hailed to be, it is a major let down and anyone who actually thinks its quality work from one of the top producers and best rappers, well then you must be used the dross the likes Weezy put out. In the same way that you guys say anyone who criticizes this album must be people stuck in their ways, in that very same way you must be praising the album purely because of the names making it and the hype they created around the album. And that's my honest to god opinion.
Boss, you probably think the production for Destiny Childs album was sensational.
To be fair, Destiny's Child did have quite a few very well produced tracks..
I'm going to sum up my opinion on this album via one track - Otis.
It's a track called Otis. Otis, as in Otis Redding. It's sampled a track by Otis Redding. Is it a track about Otis Redding? No. OK, is it a track that has something to do with what Otis Redding is talking about in the sample?..No. Not that either. It's a track about how many cars they have...Possibly? Or how many watches. One of the two. What? Why?...Who wants to hear that? (Boss) ..Why call it Otis? What the feck is that about? Then they start screaming out of tune at the end.
I don't have much problem with the Production (apart from the Auto Tuning, which is just embarrassing). It's not amazing by any stretch and some of it is awful, but there are a few very nice beats (or more accurately, some very nice bits of beats, which are generally butchered by throwing in something gimmicky.) Murder to Excellence is a lovely beat IMO (well, it is for about two minutes then it starts to grate a little) But my problem with this, as with almost all the kind of Hip Hop Boss likes, is that this album tells me nothing about anything aside from what utter self important pillocks these two men have become. The lyrics are completely irrelevant and gimmicky...In fact about 70% of this album is a gimmick.
I'm going to sum up my opinion on this album via one track - Otis.
It's a track called Otis. Otis, as in Otis Redding. It's sampled a track by Otis Redding. Is it a track about Otis Redding? No. OK, is it a track that has something to do with what Otis Redding is talking about in the sample?..No. Not that either. It's a track about how many cars they have...Possibly? Or how many watches. One of the two. What? Why?...Who wants to hear that? (Boss) ..Why call it Otis? What the feck is that about? Then they start screaming out of tune at the end.
I don't have much problem with the Production (apart from the Auto Tuning, which is just embarrassing). It's not amazing by any stretch and some of it is awful, but there are a few very nice beats (or more accurately, some very nice bits of beats, which are generally butchered by throwing in something gimmicky.) Murder to Excellence is a lovely beat IMO (well, it is for about two minutes then it starts to grate a little) But my problem with this, as with almost all the kind of Hip Hop Boss likes, is that this album tells me nothing about anything aside from what utter self important pillocks these two men have become. The lyrics are completely irrelevant and gimmicky...In fact about 70% of this album is a gimmick.
Otis is actually very shit.
Posisbly the worst track on the album, production and lyric wise.
Posisbly the worst track on the album, production and lyric wise.
Is this a trap?
Boss, the fact that Otis is NOT even one of the worst tracks on the album speaks volumes.
The best song on the album is Why I love you.
Pitchfork give it 8.5, I guess they disagree Pitchfork: Album Reviews: Jay-Z / Kanye West: Watch the Throne
They rated Wu Tang's "Legendary Weapons" a 5. 5. 5 over 10. Did you hear it? It was much more than a 5/10 ffs
Pitchfork: Album Reviews: Wu-Tang: Legendary Weapons
They rated Gucci Mane's last album a 7.9 over 10. Gucci.
Pitchfork: Album Reviews: Gucci Mane: Writings on the Wall II
Basically, they can stick their ratings up their asses.
Fair point, but Metacritic has it at 80/100 right now
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But reviews can only tell you a certain amount, its all down to personal preference at the end of the day. If you liked it, cool, if not, equally cool.
It shouldn't actually make any difference what someone else says to you about the album if you like the way it sounds.
EDIT: To answer your question, no I've not heard Legendary Weapons yet but I've just downloaded it... RZA's verse on Start The Show.. his flow is immense
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I have always used them because they ONLY do hip hop albums, nothing else.
EDIT: and ruudwho?, you right. At the end of it all, it comes down to personal preference but then again, good music is good music and bad music is well, bad if you know what I mean. And reviews should only be used as a guide.
I have always used them because they ONLY do hip hop albums, nothing else.
EDIT: and ruudwho?, you right. At the end of it all, it comes down to personal preference but then again, good music is good music and bad music is well, bad if you know what I mean. And reviews should only be used as a guide.
Video for Otis
look what they did to the Maybach
They should've never gave them money!!!
look what they did to the Maybach
They should've never gave them money!!!
Yeah man, what I like about them is they cover all spheres of rap and hip hop. And their reviews are usually spot on.
I've been using this since I was like 15!
Dreadful album. I expected so much more, the hype behind this and the reviews it received suggested it was a classic - it is not. Personally, I thought Eminem-Royce's album was a far better collaboration than this.
Aziz AnsariVideo for Otis
look what they did to the Maybach
They should've never gave them money!!!
Add to that Nas and Damian Marley's album.
I can't see how this is getting rave reviews. I think it's all down to reputations.
Right, having listened to it a good few times I've come to this conclusion...
It's not as good as I was hoping for (maybe thats because expectations were to high?) and the chemistry isnt quite on the level as Eminem/Royce or Nas/Marley (but saying that you can see the genuine chemistry between the two in the Otis video) But anyways, to the actual album...For me, the first 6 tracks (No Church in the Wild, Lift Off, Nig*s in Paris, Otis, Gotta Have It and New Day) are fantastic. Then it tails off for a few songs before coming back hard with Murder to excellence and Made in America, before once again tailing off. Personally I'd have been quite happy to have just seen the album made up with these 8 tracks, with maybe a few bonuses like H.A.M and Why I love you.
So yeah, overall not quite on the level I was expecting/hoping...but still a good solid album with the odd flashes of quality one liners.
It's not as good as I was hoping for (maybe thats because expectations were to high?) and the chemistry isnt quite on the level as Eminem/Royce or Nas/Marley (but saying that you can see the genuine chemistry between the two in the Otis video) But anyways, to the actual album...For me, the first 6 tracks (No Church in the Wild, Lift Off, Nig*s in Paris, Otis, Gotta Have It and New Day) are fantastic. Then it tails off for a few songs before coming back hard with Murder to excellence and Made in America, before once again tailing off. Personally I'd have been quite happy to have just seen the album made up with these 8 tracks, with maybe a few bonuses like H.A.M and Why I love you.
So yeah, overall not quite on the level I was expecting/hoping...but still a good solid album with the odd flashes of quality one liners.
I was going to post what you did, exactly. Gave it a few spins, the chemistry isn't perfect, there are some filler tracks, but it's a solid 7/10 at least. And "New Day" is just brilliant.
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