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I was going to say that game, but we were dreadful in the first half, and they really did collapse in the last 15 minutes.Liepzeg.
I agree with your general point though
I was going to say that game, but we were dreadful in the first half, and they really did collapse in the last 15 minutes.Liepzeg.
I agree with your general point though
I'm not making it off one game. We have played well in a few games this season, just not enough of them to see any progress. We have relied on Bruno pulling a rabbit out of the hat too many times and when he can't we struggle. We have one tactic, to counter attack. A bit like a lower club use when they play the big teams. It works when a team attacks us regular, like City, but not when they sit back.What about last game of last season that probably mattered more. Did that mean Ole was ‘better’ than Rogers then? Did Rogers not know how to set his team up to win that day?
making your point off one game is silly
It was clearly tongue in cheek. Sarcasm doesn't go down well here.No counter attack no win is just nonsense don’t change the subject now
Jose had us 2nd. Heck even LvG had us there till we choked some easy games in 2015. Both waaaaaay past it.Anyone who thinks a poor coach can seat second on the log. Needs their head examined. League tables don't lie.
Its third then second. Actual consistency in play.Jose had us 2nd. Heck even LvG had us there till we choked some easy games in 2015. Both waaaaaay past it.
Claudio Ranieri even won the darn thing. The same as Klopp.Jose had us 2nd. Heck even LvG had us there till we choked some easy games in 2015. Both waaaaaay past it.
Basically finishing 2nd means feck all.Its third then second. Actual consistency in play.
Not really. LVG didnt even finish second, its like saying Ole threw away first because we messed up easy games.Basically finishing 2nd means feck all.
Probably not, it's understandable in that we're a weird club in that pretty much all of our success has come under 2 managers who were here for a long time (I think we've won the league with 3 managers while City's first 5 were all with different managers) and got several years before they won a trophy, never mind the title, so it makes sense that a lot of fans want to see if we can do that again.Is there another big club with ambition out there that gives their managers 3-4 years to see if they get it right? Serious question cause I cannot think of any.
Liverpool did with klopp, can’t compare United to Chelsea or city or the top teams from One/two horse leagues like Bayern or Barca so there’s not many top teams to compare toIs there another big club with ambition out there that gives their managers 3-4 years to see if they get it right? Serious question cause I cannot think of any.
I figured someone will eventually mention Liverpool although I do not see the similarities. Klopp was a proven manager long before he landed at Liverpool and Liverpool were desperate after decades of no league title, they probably felt they were lucky to land him in the first place.Liverpool did with klopp, can’t compare United to Chelsea or city or the top teams from One/two horse leagues like Bayern or Barca so there’s not many top teams to compare to
What do you mean by 'getting it right'? What exactly have we got so wrong? We lost to the team in 3rd in the PL, as we've lost many cup ties over the years to lower ranked sides. No need for a meltdown.Is there another big club with ambition out there that gives their managers 3-4 years to see if they get it right? Serious question cause I cannot think of any.
Getting it right meaning winning PL/CL.What do you mean by 'getting it right'? What exactly have we got so wrong? We lost to the team in 3rd in the PL, as we've lost many cup ties over the years to lower ranked sides. No need for a meltdown.
How many 'big clubs with ambition' had an average league position of 5th as we did 2014-2019?
You asked who give time, I answeredI figured someone will eventually mention Liverpool although I do not see the similarities. Klopp was a proven manager long before he landed at Liverpool and Liverpool were desperate after decades of no league title, they probably felt they were lucky to land him in the first place.
What's our angle other than "hoping" our managers turn out to be another ferguson?
And how many teams have gone from a solid 5th best team to challenging a team as strong as City for titles?Getting it right meaning winning PL/CL.
Are we challenging City for titles? I didn't even realize.And how many teams have gone from a solid 5th best team to challenging a team as strong as City for titles?
I never said we were. You say that's what we should be doing. Give me some examples of teams that have made such a big leap from where we were?Are we challenging City for titles? I didn't even realize.
Also, how many teams can and do spend as much money as we do for mediocre (at best) results?
I agree, Solskjaer depends on individual actions that will make the differences, While other teams have a plan, UTD fails under pressure also, we have no one midfield, We 80 Million dollar man Maguire that is too slow and should not be Captain - We do not play the same Eleven every week, which cause issuesYes, we are.
No plan, no pattern or no style. Just a bunch of 11 individuals on the ground trying to do something.
Bringing a right back who can attack because our 50m signing cant attack. Playing Bruno deep , Rashford right, Cavani left.
Seriously WTF is happening?
How many teams spend the amount of money we do and have 3 minor trophies in 8 years to show for it?And how many teams have gone from a solid 5th best team to challenging a team as strong as City for titles?
Yes you did say that. See above.I never said we were. You say that's what we should be doing. Give me some examples of teams that have made such a big leap from where we were?
I look for the bigger picture.You want to see us lose?
We have absolutely no way to judge them. Maybe they are great at what they do and are hampered by the manager?What do you expect from Mckeana and Carrick ?
Strange that such a big club like UTD don’t have a proper coaching setup
The manager picks his coaching team so thats down to him. To be honest though, we dont know if they are good coaches or notWhat do you expect from Mckeana and Carrick ?
Strange that such a big club like UTD don’t have a proper coaching setup
We obviously don't have any insight into the training itself (we don't know how the sessions are structured and we wouldn't have the expertise to judge their quality, anyway). All we have to go on is what we see on the pitch, which for the most part is not particularly inspiring.The manager picks his coaching team so thats down to him. To be honest though, we dont know if they are good coaches or not
Cant put that on Ole though. The man has us second and our first choice front 3 didnt cost us a penny.How many teams spend the amount of money we do and have 3 minor trophies in 8 years to show for it?
Which one or two? Centerhalf and striker? Or a right winger? What about the midfield? And even if we sort all those out, won't we hear excuses about us needing a RB with better attacking qualities? Or a better GK? Or maybe someone else on the left because Rashford is inconsistent? Or another CB because Maguire is too slow? Or quality backup for Fernandes? Or a new creative force if in a couple of years time, while we work on all that, Fernandes has enough and chooses to leave?As for coaching, I can see that we are getting there slowly but surely and with just one or two more personnel we will be totally fine.
I watch it also to as see the team win trophies. If not that then what's the point watching football?Seems like a constant issue from a select group of fans that our tactics aren't sophisticated enough. There is a theory that too many instructions can ruin creativity and there are countless examples of players who are stifled because of that very fact. Personally, football shouldn't be micro managed, I don't think it looks pretty and I don't care for the idea of churning out results because of a system. Let the players play for christ sake, tired of this love in with Pep and his process.
Ole is doing a good job, and allowing players to play is part of that. If that means we need new personnel who are capable of being that something special when the opposition bunker down, let's get that special player. Moments of brilliance are what we watch the game for surely, not this stale football that some seem adamant is the way the game should be played.
He's part of it. He's spent well over 200 odd million and won feck all. Funnily enough didn't we buy Martial?Cant put that on Ole though. The man has us second and our first choice front 3 didnt cost us a penny.
I feel like Ole is doomed with his current coaching setup. Carrick and McKenna have been around since Jose. I'd love to see a change to see if anything on the pitch changes, because not much has. Obviously we're not as desperately defensive as we were under Jose, but it's not as if our football has been transformed, we've got better players and clearly a better team spirit now though.What do you expect from Mckeana and Carrick ?
Strange that such a big club like UTD don’t have a proper coaching setup
This kind of argument makes no sense to me. There’s no context to it at all and I see it written all the time.He's part of it. He's spent well over 200 odd million and won feck all. Funnily enough didn't we buy Martial?