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We are relying on individual brilliance rather than collective brilliance.
If I'm understanding you correctly here I take this as that you are claiming our goals are scored by players doing it pretty much on their own? I think you could look at almost any goal scored and pick out a piece of individual quality that led to that goal happening, and I would wager our percentage of goals that could be classed as 'individual brilliance' compared to 'collective brilliance' would be comparable with pretty much any other team.

Palace - VDB - neither
Brighton - Maguire - collective goal
Brighton - Rashford - individual brilliance
Newcastle - Maguire - neither
Newcastle - Fernandes - collective goal
Newcastle - AWB - collective goal
Newcastle - Rashford - lean towards individual
PSG - Rashford - collective goal
RBL - Greenwood - collective goal
RBL - Rashford - collective goal
RBL - Rashford - invididual brilliance
RBL - Rashford - collective goal

The above are our goals so far this season excluding penalties. These are all subjective (my opinion) but from memory I would class the majority of our goals as a collective effort - interestingly all of the individual goals were scored by Marcus.

I think you need to expand on this opinion a little because I don't think it necessarily holds water. Since we added that creative outlet in Bruno we haven't really struggled to score goals until recently, and even thinking back to last season I would put more of our goals into the collective category than individual. If what you are saying here is simply another way of saying that we don't look incredibly fluid in the final 3rd, I'd find it difficult to completely disagree with that. Sometimes we do and sometimes we don't.
 

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AWB, Maguire, James and now Bruno as well.

New signings tend to do well with us up until they settled down and our coaches had the time to work with them. That explains the manager's obsession in signing new expensive signings that can carry the team up until they can't

If you take Phelan out of the equation then the experience at coaching level is embarrassing. There is nothing in Mckenna, Ole, Carrick, dempsey and Co's CV to suggest that they deserve to coach man utd first team
Agree with this.

The only one who is there on merit is Mckenna.

We let Carrick walk into the job because he was retiring and bored. He was a great player but is he a great coach? who knows. Phelan has been out of the top level for 10+ years, and most people say he's more of a man manager than tactician anyway.

For me if Ole is going we HAVE to clear out the backroom staff too. Get some proper modern day coaches in that want to play in the right way.

The big issue I have with our team is what we do when we lose the ball, and when we build up possession. We clearly pay no interest in patient build up play and working teams side to side. It's forwards ASAP and get through or lose it, that is 90's football.
 

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Agree with this.

The only one who is there on merit is Mckenna.

We let Carrick walk into the job because he was retiring and bored. He was a great player but is he a great coach? who knows. Phelan has been out of the top level for 10+ years, and most people say he's more of a man manager than tactician anyway.

For me if Ole is going we HAVE to clear out the backroom staff too. Get some proper modern day coaches in that want to play in the right way.

The big issue I have with our team is what we do when we lose the ball, and when we build up possession. We clearly pay no interest in patient build up play and working teams side to side. It's forwards ASAP and get through or lose it, that is 90's football.
What's Mckenna done to deserve the job? He's only done the under 18s and should honestly have been promoted to the reserves team manager instead of being promoted to the first team immediately.
 

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Ole's game tactics are hit and miss. There is hardly any consistency in the team. He plays timid at home against better opponents. Why are we winning away game? Because it us expected that the home team will attack so we can counter attack. Everton will come at us, I would be surprised that we manage to win. Back at home, he adopt a tactics that struggle to break down teams that sit back. He is in his 3rd year as a manager and yet nothing has change. With Ole as our manager, we will never win anything. His coward and timid approach will enable him to win anything. Losing Spurs 1-6, he decided that Fred and McTominay should start therefore we sacrifice our midfielders with attacking intent. Sorry, he doesn't deserve to be manager no matter how you look at it.
 

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We are a bit of a one-trick-pony at the moment. If we somehow manage to get the first goal, and the game opens up a little, then we are great. If the opponent gets the first goal, we have nothing.
 

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Not long ago after that win at PSG, there were people on here claiming we might be outside title challengers.

I think as a fan base it’s important to acknowledge just how inconsistent we are week to week.

Part of that inconsistency is down to Ole’s tactical ineptitude/poor coaching and the other part is down to the lack of an authoritative leader on the pitch. Bruno and Maguire lack that on field presence despite their footballing prowess.

We need a player in the straight to business mould of Roy Keane that would ensure every single player gave their all or risk facing his wrath. Ole seems to be too much of a push over.
 

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What's Mckenna done to deserve the job? He's only done the under 18s and should honestly have been promoted to the reserves team manager instead of being promoted to the first team immediately.
He was the youth coach at Tottenham too where we poached him from, then did a stella job with the 18's that played great football.

I guess it depends on what his idea of good football is, how good he is able to teach people etc. It's impossible for us to know if he's a good coach or not really, but everybody has to start somewhere.

I suspect though the errors in our play is more to do with Solskjaers way of football than individual coaching.

Ole's idea of football is to get the ball forward as fast as possible and ignore build up play. You can tell that by how the players are instructed to get into the box ASAP - but most of the time the ball hasn't even got to a point that we can cross it effectively so the attack ends up breaking down.

I feel like that is our main issue in why our team shape looks horrible sometimes, too many players are getting ahead of the ball too quickly, and the wide players are joining into the box instead of keeping wide and stretching the defence.

So many times you can look at the game against instanbul and see we had 4/5 players on the edge of their box just standing there waiting, but then leaving luke Shaw alone trying to beat 2 men and put a cross in. When that failed he would have to pass backwads and then we do the same thing but going to AWB, who can't beat his man and then either forces into the box or passes backwards.

We rarely play the quick passing triangles or make the 3rd man runs off the ball that's required to break a team down. It's all so easy and predictable.

Unless we have a moment of individual magic, we rarely score great team goals unless they're counter attacks. This is why we always play better away when teams actually attack us and give us space.
 

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To be honest I view this thread as a positive one. Have been hammering on for over a year about the fact that we have no patterns of play, have no consistent strategy and really look a bunch of strangers half the time. BUT. A bunch of pretty talented strangers that have been able to win a decent number of matches.

Combine that with actual coaching - the thing that gets more out of a group than their individual talents - and we could really be a different proposition. Again, look at what Nagelsman does with his squad, or Hassenhutl, or the obvious example of Klopp.

It doesn't have to cost a fortune. The squad is young, and talented. Bring in a proper coach that can get them playing together and I really think we'd be alright.

But if we sit on our hands til f*cking March or whenever, we're done for.
 

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Agree with this.

The only one who is there on merit is Mckenna.

We let Carrick walk into the job because he was retiring and bored. He was a great player but is he a great coach? who knows. Phelan has been out of the top level for 10+ years, and most people say he's more of a man manager than tactician anyway.

For me if Ole is going we HAVE to clear out the backroom staff too. Get some proper modern day coaches in that want to play in the right way.

The big issue I have with our team is what we do when we lose the ball, and when we build up possession. We clearly pay no interest in patient build up play and working teams side to side. It's forwards ASAP and get through or lose it, that is 90's football.
Mckenna was decent with the U18s but the gap between coaching kids and coaching WC and CL winners is enormous and one word is all it takes to lose the dressing room. For example do you remember Moyes 'why can't you play like Jagielka' comment? It might have been a poor choice of words (although it made sense really as Rio was an ageing CB who was too relying too much on his diminished pace and should have learnt a lesson from a vastly less talented but less pace reliant Jag). That misplaced comment was used by players to turn Moyes into a laughing stock not only in the dressing room but outside of it. Players tend to lose respect quite quickly at people with little experience especially if these people challenge them.

Now I am not saying that Mckenna should necessarily lose his job. The transitioning between kids and first team had been quite smooth tbh with the likes of Williams, Greenwood and Tuanzebe doing fairly well. However do we really need to fill our coaching staff with inexperienced managers?
 

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This thread is the reality of the situation. After two years we have no idea what our best 11 is, what system to play and how to get the best out of our "World class" talents.

The Jota situation tells you everything you need to know about what we are lacking and what Klopp is able to do for example. He has a defined way of playing which is drilled into the squad, buys players which fit into that system and plays football PROACTIVELY. This means the team is far greater than the sum of its parts.

Ole has bought players into the club without having an idea where to play them and how to get the best out of them, whilst we coach them to counter the weaknesses of the opposition; something which he outright states. He is a REACTIVE manager. Much like David Moyes. It's why we can pull off shocks against our supposed rivals, and flounder against weaker opposition. We have no idea what to do when the initiative is on us.

It's a style of coaching and football which belongs in 6th or 7th place in the table, not at the "biggest club in the world".

We need a manager with a clear footballing identity, which is coached into the squad, with the players purchased fitting into that ideal. Otherwise, we will remain an inconsistent mess.
 

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If I'm understanding you correctly here I take this as that you are claiming our goals are scored by players doing it pretty much on their own? I think you could look at almost any goal scored and pick out a piece of individual quality that led to that goal happening, and I would wager our percentage of goals that could be classed as 'individual brilliance' compared to 'collective brilliance' would be comparable with pretty much any other team.

Palace - VDB - neither
Brighton - Maguire - collective goal
Brighton - Rashford - individual brilliance
Newcastle - Maguire - neither
Newcastle - Fernandes - collective goal
Newcastle - AWB - collective goal
Newcastle - Rashford - lean towards individual
PSG - Rashford - collective goal
RBL - Greenwood - collective goal
RBL - Rashford - collective goal
RBL - Rashford - invididual brilliance
RBL - Rashford - collective goal

The above are our goals so far this season excluding penalties. These are all subjective (my opinion) but from memory I would class the majority of our goals as a collective effort - interestingly all of the individual goals were scored by Marcus.

I think you need to expand on this opinion a little because I don't think it necessarily holds water. Since we added that creative outlet in Bruno we haven't really struggled to score goals until recently, and even thinking back to last season I would put more of our goals into the collective category than individual. If what you are saying here is simply another way of saying that we don't look incredibly fluid in the final 3rd, I'd find it difficult to completely disagree with that. Sometimes we do and sometimes we don't.
It is plain obvious to see that we are not drilled or coached as an attacking unit like lets say City under Guardiola are or Leipzig under Nagglesman are or Ajax under Ten Hag are. It is subtle and difficult to notice, but you can see with those teams that they are playing as a collective unit. The way Leipzig passed the ball in the first half against us, is what we lack. We beat them because of individual brilliance in the form of Greenwood first and the Bruno giving the assist for our second goal. But there was a complete difference between how we attacked and how they attacked.

We on the other hand rely on bruno to do something good for us to score, either by Bruno himself or through him giving an assist.

The players have even said that they are questioning Ole because he is not teaching them to attack as a unit.

Then you have players like Pogba playing for himself and doing what he wants to do to benefit himself.
 

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This seems to be the latest Redcafe fad. To suggest that players somehow get worse the longer they stay here. Since we are able to pick quite a few examples that fit this theory from all of our managers post-Ferguson, isn't it reasonable to suggest that perhaps its more down to the culture within the dressing room than the level of education these players are receiving? It definitely seems to fit better with our inability to be consistent and the schoolboy level errors that we tend to make.
That might have been a possibility IF we remained with the same team across time. Fortunately it's not the case. Players who were supposed to have been toxic had either been shown the door (Lukaku, Sanchez etc) or had been isolated (ex Lingard, Rojo and Jones). Sure there might be the chance that a rotten apple or two had not been isolated yet. Fortunately the manager has the players in his disposal to isolate those 1-2 rotten apple as well. VDB for example can play instead of Pogba.

What we're witnessing is that the players Ole brought are the ones letting him down at the moment. Maguire is playing far worse then Lindelof, Ighalo has barely been given a shot, AWB's performance had declined and the same can be said with Bruno and James. If rumours are to be believed then Ole seem to have issues with VDB as well and with Romero whose been so professional throughout his United's career. We keep hearing the same excuses over and over again like we lack leaders and Ole wasn't being properly supported when in reality the club had forked a ridiculous amount of money on Maguire, James, AWB, Bruno, VDB and co, many of whom had seen their performances going down the shitters.

Meanwhile some of those 'rotten apples' have had a new lease of life once they left United. For example Lukaku and Smalling had been doing so well in Italy with Lukaku coming out saying that moving at Inter had saved his career as they immediately identified a digestive problem that United has failed to notice. We used to say that after United, the only way is down. Its not the case anymore.
 

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He was the youth coach at Tottenham too where we poached him from, then did a stella job with the 18's that played great football.

I guess it depends on what his idea of good football is, how good he is able to teach people etc. It's impossible for us to know if he's a good coach or not really, but everybody has to start somewhere.

I suspect though the errors in our play is more to do with Solskjaers way of football than individual coaching.

Ole's idea of football is to get the ball forward as fast as possible and ignore build up play. You can tell that by how the players are instructed to get into the box ASAP - but most of the time the ball hasn't even got to a point that we can cross it effectively so the attack ends up breaking down.

I feel like that is our main issue in why our team shape looks horrible sometimes, too many players are getting ahead of the ball too quickly, and the wide players are joining into the box instead of keeping wide and stretching the defence.

So many times you can look at the game against instanbul and see we had 4/5 players on the edge of their box just standing there waiting, but then leaving luke Shaw alone trying to beat 2 men and put a cross in. When that failed he would have to pass backwads and then we do the same thing but going to AWB, who can't beat his man and then either forces into the box or passes backwards.

We rarely play the quick passing triangles or make the 3rd man runs off the ball that's required to break a team down. It's all so easy and predictable.

Unless we have a moment of individual magic, we rarely score great team goals unless they're counter attacks. This is why we always play better away when teams actually attack us and give us space.
Well great for him, but that sounds more like a reason to promote him to be in charge of the reserves team rather than being part of the first team coaching staff.

We keep promoting people who're in over their head over the job and it's not helping the team to have everyone basically learning the job as they go along.
 

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Well great for him, but that sounds more like a reason to promote him to be in charge of the reserves team rather than being part of the first team coaching staff.

We keep promoting people who're in over their head over the job and it's not helping the team to have everyone basically learning the job as they go along.
Absolutely spot on
 

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No point in having a new manager if he can't being in his own staff.

Any new manager should sack our entire coaching staff and hire his own guys. Ever since gormless sacked Fergie's guys we have been poorly coached.
 

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Well great for him, but that sounds more like a reason to promote him to be in charge of the reserves team rather than being part of the first team coaching staff.

We keep promoting people who're in over their head over the job and it's not helping the team to have everyone basically learning the job as they go along.
The club rates the u18s as more important than the u23s so no that wouldn’t make any sense at all to have moved him to the u23s.

It’s also just a stupid point, Fergie brought in staff with youth experience all the time. Chelsea are doing it right now with their version of McKenna. Actually even more as Jody is their assistant while Kieran is just a coach. City did the same with Arteta and the list goes on and on.

We promote people based on talent, not arbitrary bullshit like experience.
 

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Are United a poorly coached team, undoubtedly the answer is yes but the problem goes much deeper and for longer than the last few managers.

In my mind the writing was on the wall going back to Fergusons last season or so when the squad quality was average at best and the debacle of subsequent signings and retention of players on hugely inflated wages and I would include Rooney in this category and being almost a catalyst. I am not downplaying Rooney's achievements, attitude or endevours but there was an optimum time to sell as it was clear that Rooney was never going to be a player who would play at the highest level into his early 30's for a number of reasons.

The purchasing of players since the end of the Fergie era has been disastrous and scattergun at best with a number of square pegs in round holes, panic buys (lacking the quality and or requirements of the squad) just to appease the on looking masses.

The contract extensions that defy belief, surely the best option with some of these fringe players and we all know there are 4-5 are never going to play again other than in dire circumstances. Surely the best option would be to pay them out of their contracts rather than spending a similar amount on wages + other benefits, in the hope of a return of a few million in sales. Admittedly these might not please the bean counters but the losses would not be that great and would show a degree of ruthfulness and keep players honest.

Scouting of recruited players- a blind man on a galloping horse could see the shortcomings of a number of players and brings me back to coaching.

I accept that coaching is an integral part but is surely mainly down to the finer arts of the game such as positioning, runs to make and tactics, not how to bloody cross the ball, pass to a team member, run etc.

If you have not grasped how to do the last three by your early 20's after over 10 years of playing training and coaching then there is really no hope they are going to improve with time. Is Harry going to get any quicker or will milk turn quicker.

Will AWB become a prolific crosser or continue to pass backwards or take a leaf out of Valencia's play book and play murder ball against the shins of a defender.

Is Pogba going to suddenly realize that his skill set is not as good as he thinks and his awareness of opposing players on the pitch who are unfortunately not fitted with a cat bell to alert him whilst he pirouettes on the ball .

Is Fred going to learn how to pass to a United player, though one consolation with playing deeper he has at least stopped shooting from distance.

Is Rashford suddenly going to become a number 9, as it obvious he doesn't like the rough and tumble, and if he has no space to run into he is limited at best.

I could go on but I feel you get the gist of my post
 

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The club rates the u18s as more important than the u23s so no that wouldn’t make any sense at all to have moved him to the u23s.

It’s also just a stupid point, Fergie brought in staff with youth experience all the time. Chelsea are doing it right now with their version of McKenna. Actually even more as Jody is their assistant while Kieran is just a coach. City did the same with Arteta and the list goes on and on.

We promote people based on talent, not arbitrary bullshit like experience.
The point of promoting them to the reserves is to make sure they can handle the egos from the older players. Throwing them straight in to the first team coaching set up where Phelan probably has more experience than them all combined is just asking for trouble.

Sir Alex has over 20 years more experience than Ole does, he doesn't need experienced staff telling him what to do. He can afford younger coaching staffs in his setup to bring in a fresh perspective because the players know he won't take any nonsense from them.

At the end of the day, talent means feck all if they can't apply it to practice and so far they've done nothing to prove otherwise.
 

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Who signed Maguire?

A capable manager doesn't need a rebuild. Should be able to work with what we have now. Infact, that should be our primary criteria
Yep. one of the very few times I am going to side with Woodward. No new manager should be given more than $100M or so to "rebuild" .. Enough is enough.
First drill and coach and prove yourself with the current crop.

for us poor supporters, I would want to say lets not drop our levels "new guy needs his team, he needs 2-3 seasons etc etc" and also "win a CUP or PL ". Lets see quarter over quarter if he can make solid progress in actual coaching of the team. no injury excuse, tough fixtures excuse. Plain and simple business.
 

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I want to add one more point:
- get rid of dinosaurs from the coaching staff. we live in the edge of advanced analytics, AI. lets get a modern Team of Coaching Staff. not just some ex Man Utd , you know because "they know the DNA of the club" . we have tried that in last 8 years, and have gone nowhere.
 

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To those saying OGS hasnt had his choice of coaches and got lumped with Carrick, McKenna and Phelan.

Richard Hartis and Mark Dempsey have been with him at Utd youth level, Molde and Cardiff, and they’re currently here too... so OGS does have his pick of guys here and it’s not like he’s going to bin off the guys hes known for a long time is it?
 

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Agree with this.

The only one who is there on merit is Mckenna.

We let Carrick walk into the job because he was retiring and bored. He was a great player but is he a great coach? who knows. Phelan has been out of the top level for 10+ years, and most people say he's more of a man manager than tactician anyway.

For me if Ole is going we HAVE to clear out the backroom staff too. Get some proper modern day coaches in that want to play in the right way.

The big issue I have with our team is what we do when we lose the ball, and when we build up possession. We clearly pay no interest in patient build up play and working teams side to side. It's forwards ASAP and get through or lose it, that is 90's football.
This is where Ole shot himself in the foot. I think there is space for his style of management (he seems v man management focused and v high level tactically) as long as you bring in a highly specialised backroom staff but we have 2 rookies and, as you say, Phelan who was away from top level football for aons. You can't have an essentially rookie PL manager, with not a single coach on the team who has built a high press team & then say you are going to build a high press team.

If you want to build a conservatory, you hire a team who build conservatories. If you want to play a certain style of football, you hire people who coach that style of football.
 

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Thats a good stat, and i know thats not a heat map, but that shows are problem in a nutshell. We attack one side of the pitch.

Makes it easier to defend but also leaves awb on an island defensively in a turnover and counter.

Its been that way for years as well, it hasn't been an ole issue.
 

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Why is Maguire our covering defender and Lindelof going for the header? This happened last year as well. If Maguire was going for that header, we are not conceding the first goal.
 

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Why is Maguire our covering defender and Lindelof going for the header? This happened last year as well. If Maguire was going for that header, we are not conceding the first goal.
One of your centre backs plays on the right side and one on the left side.

You can't have Maguire following a player everywhere he goes because he'll be dragged out of position.

Lindelof losing a physical duel is far too predictable though, part of the reason our CB partnership needs upgrading.
 

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One of your centre backs plays on the right side and one on the left side.

You can't have Maguire following a player everywhere he goes because he'll be dragged out of position.

Lindelof losing a physical duel is far too predictable though, part of the reason our CB partnership needs upgrading.
When its a long ball from keeper, you don't have to go out of position. Its just a matter of going for the first ball and winning it.
 

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When its a long ball from keeper, you don't have to go out of position. Its just a matter of going for the first ball and winning it.
The long ball was played purposely towards our right CB position, you can't ask them to telepathically switch every time a long ball is played.
 

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The long ball was played purposely towards our right CB position, you can't ask them to telepathically switch every time a long ball is played.
When the ball is in the air for quite a bit, the dominating CB always goes for the first ball and the covering defender will be available to cover it. Not sure if you have played as a CB but it's just a training thing to decide who goes for the first ball from GK or their backline.

If you want specific examples from PL, look at how VVD takes charge for long balls from GK, when he is paired with Gomez .
 

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That can be a good thing but also a bad thing because too many passes kills attacks.

Klopp i remember saying he wants his players to win the ball back and within two passes be getting a shot off on goal.
 

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Ole needs to make up his mind over the international break on our preferred formation and stick to it apart from some special games where we need to make changes.
Width will remain a problem as we don’t have wingers, this would be really helpful to break down deep defences. Hopefully Telles can provide some solutions here.
Coaching is definitely there, but maybe it is too one-dimensional and more of use when we play attacking teams. We need to focus our training sessions on breaking down parked buses. Maybe buying some actual busses with some holes might help if we have no other ideas.
 

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I can accept people's opinions that we are a badly coached team (i don't have to agree) but how does this reconcile with what we saw from Everton today and the last few games?

Ancelotti is seen as some sort of genius coach on here or at least he was when Everton won the first 4 games. Maybe the 'coaching' grass isn't as green elsewhere as many like to think.
 

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I can accept people's opinions that we are a badly coached team (i don't have to agree) but how does this reconcile with what we saw from Everton today and the last few games?

Ancelotti is seen as some sort of genius coach on here or at least he was when Everton won the first 4 games. Maybe the 'coaching' grass isn't as green elsewhere as many like to think.
First off, when you compare his Everton team with ours, there is no comparison. Secondly, compared to the meticulous micro managing/managers of today, Ancelotti has always been a bit more hands off.

No one is realistically asking for an Ancelotti-type to be our next manager.
 

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We are a bit of a one-trick-pony at the moment. If we somehow manage to get the first goal, and the game opens up a little, then we are great. If the opponent gets the first goal, we have nothing.
All three of our wins in the PL have been comebacks, after conceding the first goal.
 

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First off, when you compare his Everton team with ours, there is no comparison. Secondly, compared to the meticulous micro managing/managers of today, Ancelotti has always been a bit more hands off.

No one is realistically asking for an Ancelotti-type to be our next manager.
They've spent £500m+ since 2016. They had a decent line up today with a full week's rest/preparation while we were playing on Wednesday night.
 

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Why is Maguire our covering defender and Lindelof going for the header? This happened last year as well. If Maguire was going for that header, we are not conceding the first goal.
It's dependent on who is closer. Most of the times Maguire likes to go a bit forward while building up and lindelof is the one furthest back. It was Evertons first shot on goal. Happens. It isn't like lindelof is exceptionally bad at headers anyway.
 

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Good goal but tactical philosophy isn't seasonal. It's meant to be there every minute of every match. If Liverpool/City/Bayern don't score a goal it's still glaring what they tried to do
 

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They've spent £500m+ since 2016. They had a decent line up today with a full week's rest/preparation while we were playing on Wednesday night.
It doesn't matter how much they've spent, their current team is still a level below ours. Also people were/are praising Ancelotti's ability to get a team playing to his style in less than year and currently 'challenging' at the top of the table.

However, point taken about the preparation they had. All in all, it was a good win and credit to Ole but we've been here before. It's not about just one game.

The post above mine sums it nicely about consistency.
 

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It's dependent on who is closer. Most of the times Maguire likes to go a bit forward while building up and lindelof is the one furthest back. It was Evertons first shot on goal. Happens. It isn't like lindelof is exceptionally bad at headers anyway.
Pretty spot on. It was clear that Everton's plan was long ball to Calvert-Lewin for knock downs and it just happens that time worked out for them via 3 different plays, the knock down, shot went through AWB's legs, ball snuck into the near post.

Otherwise, Maguire and Lindelof did pretty well yesterday.