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Wealth & Income Inequality
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these things are at a completely different scale, you can own two really shit cars and still be poor, but if you've got a backup buggati incase the first fails you're hoarding too much resources, and some of these people look down on buggati owners
He could have chosen not to give any money away and buy himself 4 million houses. He made that money legally and the fact he's chosen to give most of it away.
It's a matter of having a decent quality of life. Having an extra pair of shoes isnt causing massiven inequality. Having a second bicycle isnt contributing to people living on the street.
Hoarding billions of dollars that do not change his life in any way is different.
Theft involves criminal behavior, the last I checked, getting rich is not a crime.
In this dumb hypothetical you would still be licking his boot and saying that it's his right to own 4 million houses and its totally legal for thousands to be homeless.
I'm not even sure what @Eboue expects of the billionaires.
Not make billions despite being extremely good at what they do? Make billions and live frugally whilst giving handouts to people who refuse to work?
Bingo. I want a system in which no one has a billion dollars.
The very first post about billionaires I made it quite clear that SOME billionaires do not deserve all that hate. I can certainly think of plenty who do.
All of them deserve hate.
I don't disagree with that. But I think that the notion of giving your entire wealth to the people more in needed (heck, hasn't Gates and Buffet pledged 90% of their entire wealth to charitable causes) a bit extreme. I mean, if you really believe that, then you should really live like Jesus Christ and not own anything that isn't totally needed.
Gates has given more both in taxes and charity than any other person in the world. He didn't kill people to get rich, he didn't actually 'steal' his workers for doing so. In reality, those other workers became rich too while being in the same ship. Heck, even people low in hierarchy like junior developers became relatively rich by being in the same ship.
Yes, he took advantage of a system. Yes, I agree that capitalism is a pretty bad system (though likely better than other systems human race has experienced), but individuals aren't really responsible for that. At least, not all individuals.
And yes, all things considered, I think that Gates has done much more good than bad things.
is it the ones who donates less to hilary than trump
So what happens after someone gets to 999,999,999? The next dollar he or she makes is taxed at 100%?
Bill Gates should have a comfortable home, a nice car, enough money to take vacations and a rainy day fund. He shouldn't have a billion dollars.
we can chop their heads off.So what happens after someone gets to 999,999,999? The next dollar he or she makes is taxed at 100%?
So you hate people who being extremely successful. That's certainly your freedom.
tax: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-clemente/tax-dodging-microsoft-sho_b_8961990.html
child labour: https://techcrunch.com/2016/01/19/a...-tech-firms-implicated-in-child-labor-report/
praise be to the good billionares
I hate them for stealing from workers and hoarding resources while others suffer.
There was an experiment of it which lasted for around 70 years in a large part of the world last century. It didn't end well.
Just saying that the grass isn't always greener in the other side. And well, it is quite possible (in fact, I think extremely likely) that the economy flourishes more when people can actually own a large amount of money/capital, then when they cannot.
Not having a pair of extra shoes, won't decrease your quality of life though. Especially if you are hoarding another 3 pairs. However, they might make a good difference for a homeless person during the winter.
Obviously, it is all about the scale, I agree there. But you can make the argument for everything. People - even normal people like me and you - own a lot of things which they don't really need, and if instead they gave that money to charity, they'll make differences for some other people without drastically lowering the quality of their lives.
The Koch brothers certainly deserve more hate than any of the tech billionaires.
What!?
If you don't like North Korea, have you considered Cuba?Who are these Microsoft or Google employees who have been stolen from? Most employees of those companies have done very well.
What that has to do with Gates though? Bear in mind, he owns just 1.4% or so of MS stocks, and doesn't have any executive role in that company for quite a long time.
Many of of these employees also have stock options, own stock, or have bonuses tied to the value of the company's stock price.
Do you really think those practices started after he left?
I somehow doubt the children who build their devices get stock or a decent wage.
This is like right wing bingo. I bet Venezuela is next.What!?
That’s disgusting
Honestly, I don't know. I know though that Gates has been advocating on tax increase for the super-rich, despite that he has given around 30b dollars in taxes (I believe), which makes him by far the biggest taxpayer in the history of US.
You're the one suggesting murdering people for legally getting rich.
Exactly. This is what capitalism does. It incentivizes grinding people down and taking advantage of everyone and everything in service of ever more profit. If we just change the incentives with the Guilotine Of Damacles for anyone who obtains a billion dollars then I'd wager that behaviour would change in response.
That's just a cultural issue, iguanas are normal food item in parts of the world.
Capitalism legally murders people for being poor every single day.You're the one suggesting murdering people for legally getting rich.
It literally took me 14 seconds to Google thisI am genuinely baffled by who @Eboue thinks the billions have been stolen from?
https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-slammed-over-child-labor-accusations-2010-4
Indeed, it will slow down human innovation massively. Why try to create a vaccine or cure against cancer, you might get too rich and get executed. Let's just stick to chemotherapy and make a decent living.
Indeed, it will slow down human innovation massively. Why try to create a vaccine or cure against cancer, you might get too rich and get executed. Let's just stick to chemotherapy and make a decent living.
He bought a good product when he was young so he could own and sell it on, then again in the 80s and beat apple to market with it. And he used his newly gained resources to become the richest man in the world at the expense of both the people building his machines in sweatshops and the costumers who were forced to stay his, and only his, brand.
Your article points out it's an issue with the company called KYE. Do you think KYE would not use child labour if Microsoft didn't buy from them?
You think it's funny to slow down human advancement?
Technology and the world advanced so much the last 50 years because of capitalism and you are preaching about communism?