So, have Spurs and Liverpool sack their manager yet?
What’s Real Madrid’s secret?
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This is a reply to the question "what's Real Madrids Secret?" The fact that Spurs and Liverpool have not sacked their manager yet could be the same as why Utd. have not sacked their manager yet. That answer could be that they have all accepted mediocrity.
They're not Madrid are they?
Actually, they built that team with "youngsters with prospect" who made msitakes but stayed in the team in the last 7 to 10 years, that's why Varane, Marcelo, Isco, Ramos or Carvajal are now experienced and confident players. They are doing the same with Asensio.
the structure. It starts at the top with the directors - they invest, they go out and actively get the best players available (and unavailable). They make new signings feel like superstars, give them the lifestyle
Sure they chop and change managers but you could argue that again they go for the best and it keeps them fresh.
Sure they chop and change managers but you could argue that again they go for the best and it keeps them fresh.
We were talking about Madrid, not Spurs or Pool, but nice to see where your mind is at.
Also Ramos was brought into the Madrid team as a youngster, he wasn’t signed as the best CB in the world. Benzema joined as a 21 year old, LITERALLY lauded as one of the “best potential player” that you mock and was given time to grow, Marcelo who went there as an 18 year old and is now called arguably the best LB ever, not to mention Varane, Carvajal, Isco and more recently Asensio. So you may want to revise your point.
Modric and Kroos in the middle, you can't touch them.
Real are so good in Europe just plain because they are good and in my opinion the best team in the world.
Firstly, look at their squad. We (United) are for sure in the top 11 (at least) best teams in the world, yet only probably two (De Gea and Pogba) of our current players would still stay in the first team if Madrid dissolved and all of their players came to us. And this is adding on to the fact that their team is literally full of winners with experience who have been there and done that.
Also, look at their managers. This is a ruthless club where great manager after great manager comes in and if there is one and a half bad seasons or trophyless seasons which he has seen through, he’s sacked. Now, it seems like they have found the perfect fit for them, a club legend during his playing days with an ego of a King to deal with billy-big-balls players and an amount of footballing knowledge which comes close to the even the best football manager ever to grace the Earth, SAF. Look at their dressing room harmony as well. There is not a single player in that dressing room who doesn’t respect Zidane.
Lastly, can I also just say that they do not have more luck than other top teams. Sure, they do get more favourable refereeing decisions than the others, but look at the teams that they have had to face in their past three Champions League winning seasons, Bayern, juventus, psg, atletico etc etc. In all of those games, they have outclassed their opponents in at least one of the legs and as a result progressed further into the tournament.
In conclusion, Madrid are just a brilliant team.
Firstly, look at their squad. We (United) are for sure in the top 11 (at least) best teams in the world, yet only probably two (De Gea and Pogba) of our current players would still stay in the first team if Madrid dissolved and all of their players came to us. And this is adding on to the fact that their team is literally full of winners with experience who have been there and done that.
Also, look at their managers. This is a ruthless club where great manager after great manager comes in and if there is one and a half bad seasons or trophyless seasons which he has seen through, he’s sacked. Now, it seems like they have found the perfect fit for them, a club legend during his playing days with an ego of a King to deal with billy-big-balls players and an amount of footballing knowledge which comes close to the even the best football manager ever to grace the Earth, SAF. Look at their dressing room harmony as well. There is not a single player in that dressing room who doesn’t respect Zidane.
Lastly, can I also just say that they do not have more luck than other top teams. Sure, they do get more favourable refereeing decisions than the others, but look at the teams that they have had to face in their past three Champions League winning seasons, Bayern, juventus, psg, atletico etc etc. In all of those games, they have outclassed their opponents in at least one of the legs and as a result progressed further into the tournament.
In conclusion, Madrid are just a brilliant team.
A really good squad and incredible amounts of look/favoritism by the refs. They have won it three times in a row, but i don't rate them as highly as you would imagine. I rate Pep's Barca much higher. That's mostly because of how they won the titles. Last year was at least dodgy against Bayern, but this year takes the cake. Beats the Chelsea triumph in terms of ridiculousness in my opinion.
The Offside goal against PSG, the Neymar injury, Higuain being Higuain in that 3:0 and then Real being awarded that penalty, getting outplayed by Bayern for almost 180 minutes but getting through because of ridiculous individual mistakes and a weak ref and finally that clusterfeck of a final.
From the 7 goals they scored in the semis and the final, 4 were basically own goals.
The Offside goal against PSG, the Neymar injury, Higuain being Higuain in that 3:0 and then Real being awarded that penalty, getting outplayed by Bayern for almost 180 minutes but getting through because of ridiculous individual mistakes and a weak ref and finally that clusterfeck of a final.
From the 7 goals they scored in the semis and the final, 4 were basically own goals.
Lol. They're all bought for big money my friend, apart from Ramos
Whenever Madrid win a win a Champions League, I can't help but think about what could've been if we had kept Ronaldo 
Fee has nothing to do with it, they bought players for their potential who were far from ready and needed several seasons. Also you clearly have no clue, check Ramos fee and the year they bought him.
Leaders and winners throughout the team.
They know all the dirty tricks and dark arts as well.
Ramos was integrated by Capello and converted into a CB by Mourinho.
Varane was integrated by Mourinho
Marcelo was integrated by Pelegrini
Isco and Carvajal were integrated by Ancellotti
None of these managers are particularly good with youth. So how did Madrid do it? It's genuinely amazing what they've done.
I made similar points and still yet to get a reply. Anything to try and defend the methods of the current regime I suppose, even ignoring the truth.
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They buy the best players in the world. Hence they can bring in someone like Zidane who has no experience as a manager. All he has to do is keep the players happy.
However they do have some advantages. They can buy the best players from South America because of the language, weather and the stupid work permit restrictions in the UK.
They have had assistance by the Spanish government with financing. See the training ground being to them when needing money and how Bale’s transfer was funded.
And I know I’ll get some stick for this but they for sure get favourable refereeing decisions. Over the last 3 seasons in the knockout part of the Champions League there have been some unbelievable decisions that have gone their way. It’s more likely their players are just very good at diving or being theatrical but I cannot believe referees still fool for it every game. The Bayern game last season was a travesty. Vidal getting sent off for nothing and a couple of offside goals.
However they do have some advantages. They can buy the best players from South America because of the language, weather and the stupid work permit restrictions in the UK.
They have had assistance by the Spanish government with financing. See the training ground being to them when needing money and how Bale’s transfer was funded.
And I know I’ll get some stick for this but they for sure get favourable refereeing decisions. Over the last 3 seasons in the knockout part of the Champions League there have been some unbelievable decisions that have gone their way. It’s more likely their players are just very good at diving or being theatrical but I cannot believe referees still fool for it every game. The Bayern game last season was a travesty. Vidal getting sent off for nothing and a couple of offside goals.
A team full of winners. They would never accept averageness over a prolonged period of years such as the like of Young or Fellaini.
They have the best team in the world but they have had luck, it's undeniable and saying it all evens out is just a platitude - the world is indifferent and there isn't a cosmic force that balances everything out. In the last 2 CL games, the highest level of club football, they have had 3 of the worst goalkeeping errors I have seen. It's insane.
I have no idea about the point of this post. He said that Real Madrid didn't had youngsters with prospect(I assume that it means potential). That's wrong.
Great midfield, adding Kroos to Modric was crucial. Games are won in midfield.
Well balanced and quality squad full of winners and players with great mentality. We usually collapse when going 1-0 down with no chance of a comeback (it's slightly better now with Jose but still not quite there yet) meanwhile they just don't care and keep on playing their game which ultimately leads to success most of the time. They have a very experienced squad, most of their core players are in 30s and it's just a perfect example for those who are constantly whining when we are linked with 29+ year old players, that you need to have an experienced core.
Other teams shit the bed against them.
Literally every single one of those players were signed in their early to mid 20s, not when they were 29+.
You are right is what I meant. Real Madrid do not give much control to their managers, they force transfers on them and part of this is getting top talent in their early 20s and making them world class.
Oh sorry, I was confused by the mention of managers when it's about the club. Sorry.
Atleast we are on the right track. Players like Lindelof, Bailly, Pogba, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (hopefully), Lingard should stay long term at the club. They have shown that they can atleast be squad players at the right level and grow into top players or are already top players.Oh sorry, I was confused by the mention of managers when it's about the club. Sorry.
I was replying to somone who's making a dig on jose mourinho on a madrid thread
City are better than Liverpool, Barca are better than Real. Unfortunately this year’s two finalists seem to have a knack of getting there.
A mixture of luck, good team, good manager, and Ronaldo.
We're talking about madrid and yet you need to butt it sticking a dig at mourinho.
Do madrid plays them on the final when they're 19 or 20?
Take your mourinho agenda somewhere else will you? This is a madrid thread. I was commenting honestly on madrid. And you feel the need to drag this and make this about mourinho regime (wow!).
Ignoring the truth? What truth? That madrid is the bastion of youth developers? While we're the skeletor that sucks the life of of youth players?
They have an immensely talented and very balanced squad. They are also incredibly resilient, one of those teams that are always able to snatch a win when they've been outplayed.
But they also often lack structure in their game, and are consequently very inconsistent. Their league record, the most reliable indicator of quality, is an evidence of that.
Their recent European record is very much due to an incredible amount of luck. Sometimes a team will have a season where everything goes their way on the road to the European title. But they've just had not two, but three of these, where literally everything fell in the right place for them.
But they also often lack structure in their game, and are consequently very inconsistent. Their league record, the most reliable indicator of quality, is an evidence of that.
Their recent European record is very much due to an incredible amount of luck. Sometimes a team will have a season where everything goes their way on the road to the European title. But they've just had not two, but three of these, where literally everything fell in the right place for them.
They put them in SF, they didn't reach the finals until Ancelotti. But the point is that it's a process, you don't pop up in a final, there is a journey to take and in the case of Real Madrid that journey has been built around very young prospect that grew with the team and young WC players who also grew with the team but were ready to take big roles, Kroos, Modric, Ronaldo or Bale.
And we didnt with lingard? Martial? Mctominay? Rashford?
What has United got to do with this thread?
Luck with draws, luck with refereeing decisions, luck with key players of opponents all missing or getting injured and luck with opponents making Sunday League level mistakes in 3 consecutive games which you have never seen before at this level in CL semi finals and a CL final. Luck to a degree that it looks all set up (I actually put a bet on Salah getting injured in this game). Really, nothing more to it.
Their midfield is immense. It literally has everything you want in a midfield, technique, balance, grit, energy and Modric.
They have the best fullback in the world and a 33 year old "past it" forward who had a "shit season" and still managed 50 goals.
They're just a fantastic team, full of winners.
They have the best fullback in the world and a 33 year old "past it" forward who had a "shit season" and still managed 50 goals.
They're just a fantastic team, full of winners.
Real Madrid’s secret? Whisper it, but they are funded by the state