Enigma_87
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Ah, yes thanks!Think he is highlighting the insult part.
Either way we all can agree disagree - being strong in our position or not, but let's keep it civil, which was my point.
Ah, yes thanks!Think he is highlighting the insult part.
Well like I said in the case of LvG, Mourinho, Ranieri, Emery etc. that isn't necessarily true is it? It's only really worked with those managers who will only rotate between the Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Juventus, City, PSG type clubs of this world as well. There's no such thing as a banker.No one has a crystal ball but in the aggregate, past-performance is an indication of future performance.
In practice you use these factors to set and play the odds.
That's not "dumb". You are a gambling man it seems and so you already know this.
Yes that’s what this whole thread is about. Ignore any good or positive or just basic common sense and focus entirely on the negatives. Bringing these points up is a waste of time because the glory hunters ignore them and keep shouting the same old, same old. One bad run of form is enough to get a manager sacked for a shiny new toy. Then when he goes on one bad run they’ll want another. You can’t reason with these people.So we ignore what happened before?
That’s not really an insult is it?Think he is highlighting the insult part.
Yes that’s what this whole thread is about. Ignore any good or positive or just basic common sense and focus entirely on the negatives. Bringing these points up is a waste of time because the glory hunters ignore them and keep shouting the same old, same old. One bad run of form is enough to get a manager sacked for a shiny new toy. Then when he goes on one bad run they’ll want another. You can’t reason with these people.
Pointing out illogical part is considered an insult, not sure what that other person posted as i've block him or her.That’s not really an insult is it?
Jesus wept these people are soft - and then to have the cheek to tell people to grow up after reporting a post on an Internet forum and being proud of it. The irony.
Not really. There are rules that you agreed upon registering this forum.That’s not really an insult is it?
Jesus wept these people are soft - and then to have the cheek to tell people to grow up after reporting a post on an Internet forum and being proud of it. The irony.
I don't know what was the context, I was just saying what that post was meant for.That’s not really an insult is it?
Jesus wept these people are soft - and then to have the cheek to tell people to grow up after reporting a post on an Internet forum and being proud of it. The irony.
I don't think we called each other dumb or morons though. So far only on the last page AJ has done it in multiple posts. I've received infractions in the past for use of strong words, so I don't see why not mods shouldn't use the same criteria.I don't know what was the context, I was just saying what that post was meant for.
I wanted to read the whole conversation but it was boring as it was something that was done so many times already with same points. I had same argument with @Enigma_87 just a month or 2 back and IIRC I had same argument with someone else too later.
It's just the same arguments and posts in different threads.
In the aggregate it is.Well like I said in the case of LvG, Mourinho, Ranieri, Emery etc. that isn't necessarily true is it? It's only really worked with those managers who will only rotate between the Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Juventus, City, PSG type clubs of this world as well. There's no such thing as a banker.
If we were halfway through the season and still shite, I could understand people's concerns about Ole. But we haven't even started yet. That's all I'm saying. The Arsenal fans have had a full year to assess whether Emery will be a success or not. They had that 22-game unbeaten run, were full of it and singing his praises.....then went to shit and now they're pissed at him....the Master of the Europa League!
Yeah, don't remember calling any names. For a long arguments it was in good spirits from what I remember.I don't think we called each other dumb or morons though. So far only on the last page AJ has done it in multiple posts. I've received infractions in the past for use of strong words, so I don't see why not mods shouldn't use the same criteria.
So OP will know how many chairs to set at the peppered crow banquet.Until December no one is going to be sure if Ole will or will not be a success, so what’s the point of these threads when we know United won’t sack him now...
Well in the real world it isn't. Otherwise managers would never get sacked....and I'd be a millionaire!In the aggregate it is.
It is. That's why people who understand it, like bookies, are (in the aggregate) millionaires.Well in the real world it isn't. Otherwise managers would never get sacked....and I'd be a millionaire!
I think there is a lot of that going about this morning. In many ways I am really sorry for Ole because Klopp's success has piled pressure on him. Even if we don't intend to, the frustrations being expressed on this thread, particularly this morning, at least to some extent reflect some element of doubt that Ole is the right man for United. I would be lying if I do not myself have that nagging doubt, even though I think we should give him a chance.watching Liverpool win the CL and then realising this guy is our manager...
grim stuff, man. had an awful morning.
This guy? You make it sound like he is a nobody with no history at the clubwatching Liverpool win the CL and then realising this guy is our manager...
grim stuff, man. had an awful morning.
Well, if we sell Pogba, Lukaku, De Gea, we will probably end up with a worse team that finished the season. Those last 12 games didn't really give the impression of a manager/coach who can make a team better, let alone the tactics! That Cardiff game was a tactical disasterclass not a fitness issue as he alluded to after!Until December no one is going to be sure if Ole will or will not be a success, so what’s the point of these threads when we know United won’t sack him now...
Look at Ajax. Put a nobody in charge of the team who understood the philosophy/tactics of the club. Signed all the best young players around and developed them carefully.I’m actually confused as to why as one of the biggest club in the world we’re about to meander into another season with:
Lack of confidence
Poor form
Too many average players
No sense of a style for the team being imposed
Why are we backing Ole to turn this around when we finished the season so poorly? Are we really going to trust a novice manager with rebuilding just because he used to play for us?
I really would like to believe this but I think it's probably too optimistic a view on the Glazers mind-set. They have not done anything to prove they are savvy enough businessmen to the same degree their piece of shit father was.My inner cynic is increasingly of the opinion that the Glazers are looking to penny pinch before selling the club, and Solskjaer has been brought it as a 'yes man' puppet to placate fans while that happens.
I'm very much of the opinion that this transfer window will more or less confirm that theory.
Our team is so blatantly in need of proper investment that failure to do so - along with the (imo) laughable appointment of an almost surreally 'nothing' manager would, for me, be pretty clear that they're looking to feck off...
Hopefully if that's the case, they do it soon, so an ambitious owner can come in and awake this sleeping giant of a club.
Those players haven’t left and I don’t consider Lukaku a great loss either.Well, if we sell Pogba, Lukaku, De Gea, we will probably end up with a worse team that finished the season. Those last 12 games didn't really give the impression of a manager/coach who can make a team better, let alone the tactics! That Cardiff game was a tactical disasterclass not a fitness issue as he alluded to after!
Yes this is true, but investment in the team is not the problem at United. United have invested c£700m on new players (gross) over the past six years. We are also the highest payers in the Premier League. The problem is not lack of investment it is unwise and careless investment. Players such as Di Maria, Falcao, Depay, Blind, Schneiderlin, Lukaku, Sanchez and even Pogba have failed to deliver value for money. We are simply wasting money and failing to do the due diligence required in the transfer market. We have bought players without giving any real careful thought to their development or deployment, it is obvious.My inner cynic is increasingly of the opinion that the Glazers are looking to penny pinch before selling the club, and Solskjaer has been brought it as a 'yes man' puppet to placate fans while that happens.
I'm very much of the opinion that this transfer window will more or less confirm that theory.
Our team is so blatantly in need of proper investment that failure to do so - along with the (imo) laughable appointment of an almost surreally 'nothing' manager would, for me, be pretty clear that they're looking to feck off...
Hopefully if that's the case, they do it soon, so an ambitious owner can come in and awake this sleeping giant of a club.
His a nobody with history at the clubThis guy? You make it sound like he is a nobody with no history at the club
When MUST and Eric Cantona were having a pop at the selling of the club to the Glazers, Ole was the only person active in the club to speak up.I am really worried that Ole Gunnar Smithers is just a yes man who has been hired to keep the fans onside while the Glazers just gradually reduce the status of the club by reducing spending.
My God, are there still people defending Jose, that's the very definition of being slow on the uptakeAnd yet SAF, Sir Bobby and “several other senior figures” wanted Moyes. And Solskjær.
How’s that working out for us?
All this talk about “employing big managers didn’t work for us, so let’s hire someone inexperienced!” is complete rubbish. Absolutely absurd. Do you think Real Madrid think like that? “Oh, we spent big money on this guy and he flopped. I guess we won’t buy big anymore and just promote young kids and hope for the best!”
feck no. They have ambition and we clearly do not. That’s why they sacked 2 managers last season when the results weren’t coming. We apparently can’t do that cause Ole needs 3 transfer windows to “sort Mourinho’s mess”... cause Mourinho bought Young, Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Valencia, Darmian, Rojo, Lingard, Herrera, Mata, Pereira, Martial and Rashford... right?
Oh wait. He wasn’t allowed to get rid of half of those and buy actual good players like Sandro, Perisic, Alderweireld and Mandzukic. Now try and convince me that those four players wouldn’t have been an improvement on what we have.
I’m sick of people saying that’s a Mourinho team when it’s far fecking from it. He had a back four of failed wingers and CB’s from Ferguson’s era for fecks sake.
Just put I read but bad crap but this in Google and it said wtf are you talking aboutI read but bad crap but this . Not the man to ripped out our spine, wiped out the winning mentality, gave us Fellaini, made us feel like Everton, 6th place! Aspired to be like city who had ONE Premiere League trophy. Eejit.
You know what I'm saying, you moron. Don't be cheeky, where's the part I'm wrong about what I've said. I shouldn't feed the trolls. But I just can't ignore some of the stupid crap people post.Just put I read but bad crap but this in Google and it said wtf are you talking about
Not a fan of David Moyes then?
Actually the "sack Fergie" part came much later.Anyone remember when Fergie took over?
United was not good back in 1986, and people talk about sack Fergie. It will take time to build up a wining team again.
Let us see what Ole can do.
Also worth remembering that Fergie was sacked by St Mirren in 1978. They said he "neither by experience nor talent, had any managerial ability at all".Anyone remember when Fergie took over?
United was not good back in 1986, and people talk about sack Fergie. It will take time to build up a wining team again.
Let us see what Ole can do.
That's charming innit, some of us were intelligent enough to know that whoever replaces the great SAF was on a hiding to nothing so cut him some slack. And then there's people like you. xYou know what I'm saying, you moron. Don't be cheeky, where's the part I'm wrong about what I've said. I shouldn't feed the trolls. But I just can't ignore some of the stupid crap people post.
Ferguson wasn't sacked from St Mirren because of his ability, despite what a random reddit article might have you believe. He was sacked because he had already made his plans to move onwards and upwards, to Aberdeen.Also worth remembering that Fergie was sacked by St Mirren in 1978. They said he "neither by experience nor talent, had any managerial ability at all".
Safe to say, some people don't know what they're talking about. You give a manager time to build his own squad and anything can happen at that point, this forum would do well to remember that as Pochettino and Klopp move into their 4th years as respective managers and play in a CL final.