What did the Mourinho era fix?

[Fletchageddon]

He shipped Rooney and a lot other dead wood. That was a big task.

Nearly exposed Pogba for what he is. Now we have a clearer picture, that even if Mou was a touch too negative for our liking, Mr. Labile is not the innocent nun we thought he is.


McTomminay looks like a promising project.

Bringing through Mctominay has definitely been a plus.

We need to realise that the club didn’t back him. He wasn’t allowed to buy the players he wants. For a club to win they need to buy into the managers vision 100%. That’s why Pep ‘failed’ at Bayern and succeeded at City. Mourinho will won again at his next club. He didn’t suit us but he didn’t become a shit manager.

Time will show he was right. When a serial winner comes and can’t implement a winning mentality in a squad, alarm bells should be ringing.

 

[Axle17]

I feel Mourinho only built the club for immediate impact versus long term success . That's how I see his tenure at United.

 

[Buster15]

Bringing through Mctominay has definitely been a plus.

We need to realise that the club didn’t back him. He wasn’t allowed to buy the players he wants. For a club to win they need to buy into the managers vision 100%. That’s why Pep ‘failed’ at Bayern and succeeded at City. Mourinho will won again at his next club. He didn’t suit us but he didn’t become a shit manager.

Time will show he was right. When a serial winner comes and can’t implement a winning mentality in a squad, alarm bells should be ringing.

How refreshing to read something of sense and not the usual post littered with silly F and C words but little else.
Our recent run of terrible results must stick in the throat of all of those who still believe that everything that is wrong is down to our most successful manager since SAF.

 

[Canagel]

Bringing through Mctominay has definitely been a plus.

We need to realise that the club didn’t back him. He wasn’t allowed to buy the players he wants. For a club to win they need to buy into the managers vision 100%. That’s why Pep ‘failed’ at Bayern and succeeded at City. Mourinho will won again at his next club. He didn’t suit us but he didn’t become a shit manager.

Time will show he was right. When a serial winner comes and can’t implement a winning mentality in a squad, alarm bells should be ringing.

 

[JustAGuest]

Some of these excuses.

 

[Fletchageddon]

Some of these excuses.

The club spent money for sure but they veto’d so many of the players he wanted. A club won’t work that way. The manager won’t be happy and the squad won’t be balanced (sound familiar?!)

The manager has to be all powerful. The CEO or head scout cannot over rule the manager. Once that happens then the players see weakness. The manager cannot be seen to be weak.

The amazon documentary on city is very striking. There’s a scene that cuts between a meeting in the boardroom and the training ground and they are discussing signings. It was all about who Pep wanted and what options he had. Pep have his requests and they narrowed it down to 3/4 viable options and although they were the money men, the decision was down to him. That’s how a club succeeds. Everyone pushes in the one direction.

You can argue that city have succeeded due to financial doping and traditional doping. However their structure is spot on.

 

[Robertd0803]

He also made us disliked again instead of others feeling apathetic towards us.

 

[Jackal]

He also made us disliked again instead of others feeling apathetic towards us.

Fergie's teams were disliked generally - Fergie always used siege mentality to get his teams going and it worked all the time. Who cares whether United are liked or not? You get liked when you fail - you get disliked when you win all the time.

 

[MackRobinson]

The club spent money for sure but they veto’d so many of the players he wanted. A club won’t work that way. The manager won’t be happy and the squad won’t be balanced (sound familiar?!)

The manager has to be all powerful. The CEO or head scout cannot over rule the manager. Once that happens then the players see weakness. The manager cannot be seen to be weak.

The amazon documentary on city is very striking. There’s a scene that cuts between a meeting in the boardroom and the training ground and they are discussing signings. It was all about who Pep wanted and what options he had. Pep have his requests and they narrowed it down to 3/4 viable options and although they were the money men, the decision was down to him. That’s how a club succeeds. Everyone pushes in the one direction.

You can argue that city have succeeded due to financial doping and traditional doping. However their structure is spot on.

The bolded is ridiculous. Imagine giving a short-term manager like Mourinho free reign.

Where did Pep get that list of players he wanted? They succeeded because they have a world class coach with a modern system AND they can buy anyone.

 

[Jackal]

The bolded is ridiculous. Imagine giving a short-term manager like Mourinho free reign.

Where did Pep get that list of players he wanted? They succeeded because they have a world class coach with a modern system AND they can buy anyone.

How do expect any manager to become successful without a free rein? If Woodward wasn't going to trust Mourinho, then why hire him in the first place? If he wasn't going to back him 100%, why hand him a new contract in January of 2018?

No matter how you look at it, United board sabotaged Mourinho. It's like they wanted him to fail or they made stupid decisions that contributed to the failure.

 

[MackRobinson]

How do expect any manager to become successful without a free rein? If Woodward wasn't going to trust Mourinho, then why hire him in the first place? If he wasn't going to back him 100%, why hand him a new contract in January of 2018?

No matter how you look at it, United board sabotaged Mourinho. It's like they wanted him to fail or they made stupid decisions that contributed to the failure.

You are grossly misinformed. Klopp doesn't have free reign (transfer committee), no Madrid/Barca/Bayern manager will ever have free reign, I don't even think Pep has as much free reign as you think he does. Only difference is City can afford to buy almost any player. Let's not make up facts to fit our own narratives.

He sabatoged himself. He was trusted with 400M+ and Alexis Sanchez and he was still 19 points off 1st. No sane CEO will give him more. This is the same manager who claimed the was his team and they could challenge for a title.

You just want to believe what you want believe facts be damned.

 

[Robertd0803]

Fergie's teams were disliked generally - Fergie always used siege mentality to get his teams going and it worked all the time. Who cares whether United are liked or not? You get liked when you fail - you get disliked when you win all the qtime.

Exactly. Under Moyes and LvG we were so bad opposition fans felt sorry for us. Id rather take being disliked by opposition fans because we are doing well instead of getting sympathy for being crap.

 

[Jackal]

You are grossly misinformed. Klopp doesn't have free reign (transfer committee), no Madrid/Barca/Bayern manager will ever have free reign, I don't even think Pep has as much free reign as you think he does. Only difference is City can afford to buy almost any player. Let's not make up facts to fit our own narratives.

He sabatoged himself. He was trusted with 400M+ and Alexis Sanchez and he was still 19 points off 1st. No sane CEO will give him more. This is the same manager who claimed the was his team and they could challenge for a title.

You just want to believe what you want believe facts be damned.

£400m is nothing when 2 of the players that was bought for him gulped more than 40% of that amount.

The team he inherited needed at least £800m to compete. The lack of squad investment in the twilight of Fergie's era contributed partially to this problem.
Before taking the job, United had finished 7th, 4th and 5th. Even before Pep arrived, United were several tiers below the top teams in the Premier League.

Klopp has a free rein. He bought Karius and he was allowed to replace with Alisson(£65m), he brought in Matip, Klavan and he was allowed to replace them with Van Dijk(£75m). Jose was given 2 rookies(Lindelof and Bailly) and when they fell short of the required standard, he was told to coach them into Maldini - some backing, that!

Another thing is......backing doesn't have to be in financial terms alone. Everyone at Liverpool knows Klopp is the man. It's his way or the highway. Same as Pep. At United, Mourinho says one thing to the players and they run to Woodward who always favoured the commercial value of the players over a manager that has won 25 trophies.

Jose Mourinho asked for Toby Alderweireld and he was told he's not as good as Jones/Smalling. Lo and behold, Toby will be playing in UCL final while the United world class centre backs aren't even good enough to make the average England squad recently assembled by Southgate.

 

[MackRobinson]

£400m is nothing when 2 of the players that was bought for him gulped more than 40% of that amount.

The team he inherited needed at least £800m to compete. The lack of squad investment in the twilight of Fergie's era contributed partially to this problem.
Before taking the job, United had finished 7th, 4th and 5th. Even before Pep arrived, United were several tiers below the top teams in the Premier League.

Yet Mourinho said himself that he didn't think he needed another transfer window and his team could win a title. The bolded is just a random figure.

Klopp has a free rein. He bought Karius and he was allowed to replace with Alisson(£65m), he brought in Matip, Klavan and he was allowed to replace them with Van Dijk(£75m). Jose was given 2 rookies(Lindelof and Bailly) and when they fell short of the required standard, he was told to coach them into Maldini - some backing, that!

Misinformation. Klopp does not have free reign on transfers. Liverpool have a transfer committee (this is the main reason they got Salah). Matip was a free transfer and Klavan was bought for a small fee. Not the same as buying two highly-rated 30M+ CBs. He wasn't told to coach them into Maldini. He was simply told the club wouldn't overspend to correct mistakes and he threw a tantrum. No manager of any top club in modern football has free reign.

Another thing is......backing doesn't have to be in financial terms alone. Everyone at Liverpool knows Klopp is the man. It's his way or the highway. Same as Pep. At United, Mourinho says one thing to the players and they run to Woodward who always favoured the commercial value of the players over a manager that has won 25 trophies.

This is completely made up.

Jose Mourinho asked for Toby Alderweireld and he was told he's not as good as Jones/Smalling. Lo and behold, Toby will be playing in UCL final while the United world class centre backs aren't even good enough to make the average England squad recently assembled by Southgate.

Pretty sure it was because Spurs wanted a 60M+ fee for a soon to be 30 year old CB coming off of a major hamstring injury

 

[Fletchageddon]

The bolded is ridiculous. Imagine giving a short-term manager like Mourinho free reign.

Where did Pep get that list of players he wanted? They succeeded because they have a world class coach with a modern system AND they can buy anyone.

That’s literally what I said? However they can buy anyone because they are illegally pumping money into the club. The club didn’t earn that money.

Regardless of how they have the money, they have the correct structure in place to spend it well. That structure is geared towards the managers needs. Not the ego of their CEO.

 

[MackRobinson]

That’s literally what I said? However they can buy anyone because they are illegally pumping money into the club. The club didn’t earn that money.

Regardless of how they have the money, they have the correct structure in place to spend it well. That structure is geared towards the managers needs. Not the ego of their CEO.

You said the manager has to be all powerful and you insinuated that Pep is they guy who finds the players and the board/DOF just approves. That is a ridiculous notion. No manager is all-powerful in modern football. This isn't football manager.