croadyman
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Storm needs to happen rapidly if we want the player to be involved against ForestQuiet before the storm (I hope)
Storm needs to happen rapidly if we want the player to be involved against ForestQuiet before the storm (I hope)
I Dont think Antony has the acceleration this guy has.God I wish Antony would have the balls to do more of that. He has the feet to do it and enough pace, just lacks either the intelligence or confidence or both.
Antony might not have Doku’s raw pace but he’s not slow and has enough acceleration and agility to do it. He’s shown he can do it on occasion but doesn’t do it nearly enough.I Dont think Antony has the acceleration this guy has.
Doku has insane acceleration, which is why he beats his man almost every single time, despite being very small. He has 6.50 successful take-ons per 90, while Antony has 1.61 per 90.Antony might not have Doku’s raw pace but he’s not slow and has enough acceleration and agility to do it. He’s shown he can do it on occasion but doesn’t do it nearly enough.
He seems to hesitate and wait too long on the ball, which to me shows a lack of either confidence, intelligence or decision-making to make the move to take on his man.
I salute your dedication to explaining the same thing over and over again in spite of the Caf’s solid belief that a DoF is a glorified head scoutFirst of all let's get something straight, Rangnick didn't identify talent but rather his role as the DoF was to put people in charge of a recruitment department to identify talent. For example, he had Christian Mockel as the head scout at Hoffenheim whose job it was to structure the recruitment at the club. And the same applied at RB Leipzig where the head of scouting was in charge of recruitment. Rangnick's role as the DoF was to oversee all the football departments and not just the recruitment department.
So his job was to empower the heads of each particular football department because those heads of department were the ones who directed their department. And hence the recruitment at his clubs was run by the heads of scouting and not Rangnick. You need to understand the difference between the DoF and the heads of recruitment, because they're two different roles. And the mainstream media doesn't help matters by giving all credit to the DoF. And at the clubs Rangnick was DoF, the strategy was to sign either promising youth players or sign young 18 to 21 year olds with a view to selling them on for profit. That strategy will make monetary profit in the long-term but will rarely win you trophies against teams who want to win now. You can't compare a stepping stone club like RB Leipzig or Hoffenheim with Man Utd. Hence what needs to be understood is the actual football structure and how long that structure has been in operation and not just focus on only the DoF.
And the players Rangnick asked the club to sign are listed below which he specifically mentioned in a interview with Christian Falk. And he didn't mention Enzo Fernandez or Alvarez in the interview with Christian Falk. Both of those players along with Caicedo were recommended to the club by their head of South American scouting Jose Mayorga. Mayorga has since been promoted and is now in a head of recruitment role.
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Vlahovic wasn't even a option because Romano pretty quickly debunked that as the tweet below indicates. But the rest of the players are players who most fans knew about. And you don't need Rangnick to tell you to sign the likes of Haaland and the rest because everyone knew about Haaland. And Gvardiol I first watched play in the Uefa Youth League for Dinamo Zagreb and would later mention him as a big prospect that I'd like us to sign. I could've recommend the same players. I wouldn't have wanted us to sign Morata though.
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It's important to understand the difference between the head of recruitment and the DoF. People like Winstanley who joined Chelsea from Brighton was Brighton's head of recruitment and not their DoF. And you have to give a new structure time to bed-in because what we're up against in the EPL are teams who are spending a ridiculous amount of money that we just can't compete with, with our current owners. But having said that, I think we'll sign at least one, maybe two players before the window shuts
After Chelsea spent a ridiculous amount last season, the below is what they've done in the current window thus far.
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Thanks for explaining the difference to me regarding his role, I wasn't aware.First of all let's get something straight, Rangnick didn't identify talent but rather his role as the DoF was to put people in charge of a recruitment department to identify talent. For example, he had Christian Mockel as the head scout at Hoffenheim whose job it was to structure the recruitment at the club. And the same applied at RB Leipzig where the head of scouting was in charge of recruitment. Rangnick's role as the DoF was to oversee all the football departments and not just the recruitment department.
So his job was to empower the heads of each particular football department because those heads of department were the ones who directed their department. And hence the recruitment at his clubs was run by the heads of scouting and not Rangnick. You need to understand the difference between the DoF and the heads of recruitment, because they're two different roles. And the mainstream media doesn't help matters by giving all credit to the DoF. And at the clubs Rangnick was DoF, the strategy was to sign either promising youth players or sign young 18 to 21 year olds with a view to selling them on for profit. That strategy will make monetary profit in the long-term but will rarely win you trophies against teams who want to win now. You can't compare a stepping stone club like RB Leipzig or Hoffenheim with Man Utd. Hence what needs to be understood is the actual football structure and how long that structure has been in operation and not just focus on only the DoF.
And the players Rangnick asked the club to sign are listed below which he specifically mentioned in a interview with Christian Falk. And he didn't mention Enzo Fernandez or Alvarez in the interview with Christian Falk. Both of those players along with Caicedo were recommended to the club by their head of South American scouting Jose Mayorga. Mayorga has since been promoted and is now in a head of recruitment role.
Vlahovic wasn't even a option because Romano pretty quickly debunked that as the tweet below indicates. But the rest of the players are players who most fans knew about. And you don't need Rangnick to tell you to sign the likes of Haaland and the rest because everyone knew about Haaland. And Gvardiol I first watched play in the Uefa Youth League for Dinamo Zagreb and would later mention him as a big prospect that I'd like us to sign. I could've recommend the same players. I wouldn't have wanted us to sign Morata though.
It's important to understand the difference between the head of recruitment and the DoF. People like Winstanley who joined Chelsea from Brighton was Brighton's head of recruitment and not their DoF. And you have to give a new structure time to bed-in because what we're up against in the EPL are teams who are spending a ridiculous amount of money that we just can't compete with, with our current owners. But having said that, I think we'll sign at least one, maybe two players before the window shuts
After Chelsea spent a ridiculous amount last season, the below is what they've done in the current window thus far.
As for Winstanley, I did write that he was head of recruitment for Brighton. Not sure if you saw that part.I'm sure you know the names but for the benefit of anyone who doesn't remember - Alvarez, Enzo Fernandez, Gvardiol, Luis Diaz, Laimer, Nkunku, Vlahovic and Haaland (lol).
Off the top of my head, they took Paul Winstanley who was their head of recruitment and was in charge of identifying talent so was very much involved in their scouting department. But yeah I'm sure there are plenty of others we could poach, assuming our club ever displayed any real ambition.
My thoughts on Winstanley and Haaland weren't aimed at you, so I apologise for not making a distinction between yourself and other posters.Thanks for explaining the difference to me regarding his role, I wasn't aware.
It sounds like you've mentioned this before here based on other posters answers, but as I am pretty new to the Caf, I wasn't aware of such a difference.
And yes, of course I'm aware that the priorities at RB Leipzig or at Hoffenheim were very different (flipping young players for a profit).
I still think that kind of experience he had may well have proved valuable to us.
We all know there is an over-reliance on ETH for identifying players that he wants and even though I am not an expert on Murtough, it doesn't like the structure so far is ensuring we are
making better decisions about recruitment, but perhaps that will require more time as the re-structuring is still relatively recent?
Anyway, yes, we all knew who Haaland was.
That's why I wrote 'lol' in parentheses next to his name in my other post:
As for Winstanley, I did write that he was head of recruitment for Brighton. Not sure if you saw that part.
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Thank you this awesome explanation of the re-structuring of the club.My thoughts on Winstanley and Haaland weren't aimed at you, so I apologise for not making a distinction between yourself and other posters.
And regarding the re-structuring on the football side of the club, which saw Matt Judge ( transfer/contract negotiator), Marcel Bout & Jim Lawlor (heads of recruitment) leave near the end of the season in 2022, meant that we as a club decided that we weren't going to go forward with the work of Bout and Lawlor, hence they were sacked. So the previous structure which was put in place by Ed Woodward, was ripped up and we decided that instead of going with the previous heads of recruitment, we were going to go with ten Hag to lead on recruitment in the summer of 2022. And whilst ten Hag replaced the sacked heads of recruitment on a temporary basis, the new recruitment heads were put in place for the following summer, which I mentioned at the time. Both Jose Mayorga and Simon Wells have stepped in to replace the previous heads of recruitment and you have to give them at least a season before judging their work. And the current transfer window is a reflection of their early work after one season in their new roles. With Matt Hargreaves the new head of transfer and contract negotiations only taking up his role in June this year.
So the new head scouts after being in their new roles for just over a year, have overseen three signings thus far, Mount, Onana and Hojlund. Onana is a ten Hag signing and he fits the profile of what we require and there shouldn't be kick back on that signing because according to The Athletic, the scouts were pushing for Mike Maignan but the issue was that Milan wanted €100m for him according to the same report. Mason Mount is also a scout signing because of his displays at Chelsea in the EPL and Champions league under Thomas Tuchel. And contrary to what some may believe, you sign Mason Mount on the back of his displays for Chelsea in the EPL and Champions league and not because he was on loan to Vitesse in his teens. It's why Arsenal and Liverpool also made attempts to sign him but it seems him and his father were United fans and that swung it in our favour. And Hojlund is a scout signing if ever there was one, and so far two of the signings are down to Simon Wells and Jose Mayorga and Onana is due to ten Hag. And both parties are working together as far as I know, which wasn't the case with previous managers who had their personal scouts.
I wouldn't have signed Mason Mount but I can understand why he was signed. But what seems to have compounded matters was the injury to Kobbie Mainoo (scout signing). Because it does look like ten Hag was going to give Mainoo the games to develop into a deeper lying controller with the ability to evade and resist pressure whilst having the composure to break lines via his passing. So with Mainoo being a genuine option in a deeper role, I feel they put the signing of another midfielder towards the end of the window, but sadly for us, he suffered a injury.
And we need more signings but do we have the money? I think we'll end up signing at least one more player but with a non Glazer ownership I have no doubt we'd have signed another 3 players on top of what we've already signed.
That's correct, we had to wait for Hargreaves to fulfil his obligations at Adidas before he took up his new role at United. And between Judge leaving and Hargreaves arriving, we appointed Tom Keane to fill the gap and oversee the transfer negotiations in the summer of 2022 on a temporary basis.Thank you this awesome explanation of the re-structuring of the club.
I did read about Hargreaves taking up this new role. I believe we had to wait for him whilst he fulfilled his obligations at adidas?
W.r.t the price of Maignan, Onana was a no-brainer.
I must admit, I too assumed that Mount was signed because of his earlier loan to Vitesse.
It is a shame about Mainoo - looked fantastic against Arsenal in pre-season for that 45 minutes we saw of him.
Wished we could have seen what he could do against Madrid...
I hear he won't be back until October but it does seem like the idea was/is to promote him as you're saying.
Based on recent news, I think we will sign a back-up keeper and if we are 'lucky', maybe a left-field deadline day deal for a CM.
No, it's not. Palhinha is objectively terrible in possession (like worst in the league in key midfielder attributes) who dives in more than Casemiro and accrued 14 yellow cards last season alone. He's clearly capable of having very dominant defensive performances but we need midfielders that can play both ways. Can't solve one problem and create another.Any answer that doesn’t start with Palhinha is objectively the wrong answer.
Of course Amrabat is needed, only Casemiro plays that role. Gravenberch is a flop and Hojbjerg a pipe dream.We don´t need Amrabat. With FdJ out the equation we need Gravenberch or Højbjerg.
What's the logic here? I don't see any commonalities with Gravenberch or Højberg. Amrabat would at least give us control, build up skills and retention.We don´t need Amrabat. With FdJ out the equation we need Gravenberch or Højbjerg.
Doku is a scintillating player to watch but these explosive guys can never stay fit. Doku hasn't managed 15 full 90s in a season since he was 18. However, City seem to be amazing at managing injuries so maybe they'll rehabilitate him the way they managed with Haaland who used to miss lots of games before moving to City.Jeremy Doku looks a real threat. City pulling futher and further away from the rest. Will take a2 decades to catch up if we're still owned by the Glazers in the next 5 years.
Its fecking depressing to think about.
Must be a strong ale..I have been drinking, and currently having an ale but sign Lukaku on a one-year. I liked when he was here.
He's scored at a rate greater than 1:2 across 9 premier league seasons and is a far better 9 than anything we have now. Wouldn't be a terrible loan. I get that he's a frustrating player but we need some forward threat and who knows what the truth is with this Hojlund injury.Must be a strong ale..
Plus he is coming from a weaker league. He may end up being a very good signing but it's definitely not a certainty by any means.Doku is a scintillating player to watch but these explosive guys can never stay fit. Doku hasn't managed 15 full 90s in a season since he was 18. However, City seem to be amazing at managing injuries so maybe they'll rehabilitate him the way they managed with Haaland who used to miss lots of games before moving to City.
It's from a kid who writes for Stretty News and shouldn't be taken seriously.What's this I'm hearing about Ryan Bertrand as a potential left back signing....
Honestly don't see that being an issue at all. These skills are fairly transferrable from Ligue 1 to the Premiership. The likes of St Maximin and Hazard's dribbling both crossed over and Doku's dribbling is possibly even more explosive. He reminds me of Jason Robinson, the rugby player, the way he explodes off either foot.Plus he is coming from a weaker league. He may end up being a very good signing but it's definitely not a certainty by any means.
I am also shocked he has not been linked more. Would take him over Amrabat tbhWhat’s happening with Ibrahim Sangaré these days?
He was running the show for PSV for the last few years and yet isn’t linked to anyone…
We may have to consider our foreign quota limit.Before window shuts need minimum
Amrabat
Cucurella (loan)
Ideally as well
Gravenberch (loan with option/obligation)
Backup CB/ST
Also the backup keeper (Bayindir most probably but the other name linked is also non-British).We may have to consider our foreign quota limit.
I think we currently have 14 foreign players if we get rid of VDB and we're allowed 17.
Out - Maguire, VDB, Mctominay
In - Amarabat, Gravenberch, Todibo, Cucurella
This would leave us with 18 foreign players, however I'm thinking Gravenberch is young enough that he doesn't have to be registered? In which case we'd be fine, just about.
Given how slow we are to get things done, I'd be surprised if we managed to pull off 3 or 4 signings in a few days.
I already counted the keeper in the 14, thought he'd signed already for some reason.Also the backup keeper (Bayindir most probably but the other name linked is also non-British).
I wouldn't bet on vdB leaving.
There's been very few rumours lately for British players / players in the PL, I'm sure there must be a couple on some list somewhere.
Ah ! Cheers.I already counted him in the 14,
Yeah that would mean something absolutely mental like a signing per day which is too much to ask from this club. I never actually realised there was a foreign quotaWe may have to consider our foreign quota limit.
I think we currently have 14 foreign players if we get rid of VDB and we're allowed 17.
Out - Maguire, VDB, Mctominay
In - Amarabat, Gravenberch, Todibo, Cucurella
This would leave us with 18 foreign players, however I'm thinking Gravenberch is young enough that he doesn't have to be registered? In which case we'd be fine, just about.
Given how slow we are to get things done, I'd be surprised if we managed to pull off 3 or 4 signings in a few days.
How can you want Cucurella after seeing him stink it out at Chelsea for the last couple of years. Just play Dalot and Fernandez and put that money towards a midfielder which we actually need.Before window shuts need minimum
Amrabat
Cucurella (loan)
Ideally as well
Gravenberch (loan with option/obligation)
Backup CB/ST