What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

He’s meant to be an unbelievable prospect but I don’t see him coming to us due to the fact he’s a die hard Leeds supporter and all his family ties make that even stronger.

There’s some very promising players in the Championship for sure that we could target - Rigg, Jobe Bellingham, Greaves, Philogene, Will Alves, Jordan James etc.
 
For this summer:

Sesko - £40m release clause or Dovbyk £25m release clause.
Branthwaite - £60m
Todibo - £40m
Amadou Onana - £50m
Barkley - Free (not sure about him)
DM if we can sell Casemiro.

If we have more money: winger, left back, and right back.
 
Proper radical here. Not at all what will happen but a bit of fun -

Head Coach: Nagelsmann

GK: Onana, Bayindir, Heaton
RB: Dalot, Ebosele (Udinese - 10m)
LB: Shaw, Brown (Gent - 10m)
RCD: Varane, Yoro (Rennes - 40m), Lindelof
LCD: Martinez, Greaves (Hull - 15m), Evans
DM: Zubimendi (Sociedad - 52m), Keita (Antwerp - 15m)
CM: Mainoo, McTominay
AM: Fernandes, Mount
RW: Olise (Crystal Palace - 60m), Amad
LW: Garnacho, Moleiro (Las Palmas - 20m)
ST: Hojlund, Whittaker (Plymouth - 15m)
 
He’s meant to be an unbelievable prospect but I don’t see him coming to us due to the fact he’s a die hard Leeds supporter and all his family ties make that even stronger.

There’s some very promising players in the Championship for sure that we could target - Rigg, Jobe Bellingham, Greaves, Philogene, Will Alves, Jordan James etc.
Alan Smith used to be die hard Leeds too
 
Proper radical here. Not at all what will happen but a bit of fun -

Head Coach: Nagelsmann

GK: Onana, Bayindir, Heaton
RB: Dalot, Ebosele (Udinese - 10m)
LB: Shaw, Brown (Gent - 10m)
RCD: Varane, Yoro (Rennes - 40m), Lindelof
LCD: Martinez, Greaves (Hull - 15m), Evans
DM: Zubimendi (Sociedad - 52m), Keita (Antwerp - 15m)
CM: Mainoo, McTominay
AM: Fernandes, Mount
RW: Olise (Crystal Palace - 60m), Amad
LW: Garnacho, Moleiro (Las Palmas - 20m)
ST: Hojlund, Whittaker (Plymouth - 15m)
237m
 

Indeed. Not saying it’s realistic at all. It would involve the sales/loans/release of AWB, Maguire, Malacia, Fernandez, Casemiro, Eriksen, Hannibal, Van de Beek, Antony, Sancho, Pellistri, Rashford, Greenwood, Martial and maybe some under 23s so it would be supplemented.

For the record, my realistic expectation is no more than 5 in and mostly loan transfers out.
 

I don’t think the transfers themselves are realistic but we spent £450m across the last two seasons. So I don’t think 237m £ or € is that insane considering I expect us to have more outgoings than usual this summer.
 
Proper radical here. Not at all what will happen but a bit of fun -

Head Coach: Nagelsmann

GK: Onana, Bayindir, Heaton
RB: Dalot, Ebosele (Udinese - 10m)
LB: Shaw, Brown (Gent - 10m)
RCD: Varane, Yoro (Rennes - 40m), Lindelof
LCD: Martinez, Greaves (Hull - 15m), Evans
DM: Zubimendi (Sociedad - 52m), Keita (Antwerp - 15m)
CM: Mainoo, McTominay
AM: Fernandes, Mount
RW: Olise (Crystal Palace - 60m), Amad
LW: Garnacho, Moleiro (Las Palmas - 20m)
ST: Hojlund, Whittaker (Plymouth - 15m)

Got to love the optimism. When was the last time we bought someone at 15m who could hold down a place in the squad?

When man utd come calling the agents/clubs have a field day and double their asking prices.

The only way we will do this better is if we actively pursue to written contract stage multiple options (like 5 players for a single position) and allow the decision maker to weight up the cost vs ability with the agent knowing they can't just ask for 5x the wages (cough anthony cough)

However, if we do that we cannot be as precious about who we get. Lets face it, it should be easy enough to identity 5+ players for each role that would improve us dramatically. The bar is not set that high.
 
Got to love the optimism. When was the last time we bought someone at 15m who could hold down a place in the squad?
It is hard for Brighton, West ham or Aston Villa to be honest, let alone Man Utd.

I don't even know if it is possible to bring in more than 3 quality players for the first team in one window. Lots of ground work are needed to be done.
 
We have to go after the likes of Bruno Guimaraes and Theo Hernandez, if we want to be a proper club. Proven quality at a good age, and no more of this buying players from suspect leagues.

The first has a release clause as well. He has been impressive every time I've watched him, and he has a killer pass in him that opens up defences, something that we are struggling with when facing low block teams.
 
He’s meant to be an unbelievable prospect but I don’t see him coming to us due to the fact he’s a die hard Leeds supporter and all his family ties make that even stronger.

There’s some very promising players in the Championship for sure that we could target - Rigg, Jobe Bellingham, Greaves, Philogene, Will Alves, Jordan James etc.

Daniel Ballard, Jonathan Rowe, Ryan Andrews

Andrews, RB Walford. Really should be in the under the radar thread.
 
We have to go after the likes of Bruno Guimaraes and Theo Hernandez, if we want to be a proper club. Proven quality at a good age, and no more of this buying players from suspect leagues.

The first has a release clause as well. He has been impressive every time I've watched him, and he has a killer pass in him that opens up defences, something that we are struggling with when facing low block teams.

It would be great if we could solely sign proven players but unfortunately our squad is not in the right place for that as we have a lot of gaps and rebuilding to do. Our issue is not just quality but depth too, as we’ve seen from the teams we’ve been putting out and subs we’ve been bringing on recently. If we go for these players we can only sign 2-3 in the summer as they cost £60-100m each and I think we need more reinforcements than just 3 players.

If for example we signed Theo at £60m, Bruno G at £80m, and let’s say Branthwaite at £60m, we would be adding 3 great players but all it would take is an injury to Martinez and we’d be back to playing Maguire or Lindelof again at CB. An injury to Bruno G and we’d be starting McTominay again.

That’s why I think we need to take some calculated risks on transfers and stretch our budget further to add more depth so that we have a SQUAD of players that can play our system. Not just 11 players.

For example, instead of Branthwaite we can buy Todibo and Lucumi for the same/similar amount. Instead of Theo Hernandez, we could buy Frimpong to cover RB and get Doughty from Luton on a free to cover Shaw at LB. Instead of Bruno G for £80m we should buy Thuram from Nice and Andre Trindade from Brazil.

This way if we have an injury in any of these positions, we’re not forced into playing your McTominays, Maguire, AWBs who aren’t suited to how we want to play. A summer of rebuilding like this and then next summer we can hopefully target more of the type of players you mentioned.
 
Is there even a way to untangle this mess in the next 5 years. I’m so glad Ineos have brought in some people with football brains who at least want to try.

The Problems:
Onana is a liability who cost us CL football.
Shaw is always injured and there’s no back up.
Hernandez and Varane injury records and Lindelof/ Maguire haven’t produced the goods. Evan’s is too old. Dury is out on Right Back, Dalot has improved.

Casimeiro will be 32 next year.
Mount where is he?
Bruno and his huffing and puffing is he really as hungry as when he first came?
Rashford? 1 good season every 3. Possibly time to go, wouldn’t have got in the team under Fergie.
Hojilund, with Mainoo and Gernacho 3 potential superstars but when injured we have no one.
Anthony, no comment needed.
Greenwood, can’t see him back.
McT no comment, he can score.
Martial, who’s going to sign him, he can retire like Pogba.

It’s open heart surgery, it’s time and massive outlay.
 
It would be great if we could solely sign proven players but unfortunately our squad is not in the right place for that as we have a lot of gaps and rebuilding to do. Our issue is not just quality but depth too, as we’ve seen from the teams we’ve been putting out and subs we’ve been bringing on recently. If we go for these players we can only sign 2-3 in the summer as they cost £60-100m each and I think we need more reinforcements than just 3 players.

If for example we signed Theo at £60m, Bruno G at £80m, and let’s say Branthwaite at £60m, we would be adding 3 great players but all it would take is an injury to Martinez and we’d be back to playing Maguire or Lindelof again at CB. An injury to Bruno G and we’d be starting McTominay again.

That’s why I think we need to take some calculated risks on transfers and stretch our budget further to add more depth so that we have a SQUAD of players that can play our system. Not just 11 players.

For example, instead of Branthwaite we can buy Todibo and Lucumi for the same/similar amount. Instead of Theo Hernandez, we could buy Frimpong to cover RB and get Doughty from Luton on a free to cover Shaw at LB. Instead of Bruno G for £80m we should buy Thuram from Nice and Andre Trindade from Brazil.

This way if we have an injury in any of these positions, we’re not forced into playing your McTominays, Maguire, AWBs who aren’t suited to how we want to play. A summer of rebuilding like this and then next summer we can hopefully target more of the type of players you mentioned.

You should be getting employed by INEOS with that sort of blue sky thinking. I like Barella but that falls into the Guimaraes expensive CM thing too.
 
i mean we can argue bits and pieces, but if the new group has any sort of real aspirations i think about 95 percent of us can agree we need complete, massive overhaul of changes. Cant be one of the seasons where we see a couple signings in and a couple players out.
 
i mean we can argue bits and pieces, but if the new group has any sort of real aspirations i think about 95 percent of us can agree we need complete, massive overhaul of changes. Cant be one of the seasons where we see a couple signings in and a couple players out.

Oh yeah there definitely needs to a massive overhaul,unfortunately suspect that FFP will stop us being able to do that. There is a suggestion things could improve in July so maybe I'm wrong
 
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Proper radical here. Not at all what will happen but a bit of fun -

Head Coach: Nagelsmann

GK: Onana, Bayindir, Heaton
RB: Dalot, Ebosele (Udinese - 10m)
LB: Shaw, Brown (Gent - 10m)
RCD: Varane, Yoro (Rennes - 40m), Lindelof
LCD: Martinez, Greaves (Hull - 15m), Evans
DM: Zubimendi (Sociedad - 52m), Keita (Antwerp - 15m)
CM: Mainoo, McTominay
AM: Fernandes, Mount
RW: Olise (Crystal Palace - 60m), Amad
LW: Garnacho, Moleiro (Las Palmas - 20m)
ST: Hojlund, Whittaker (Plymouth - 15m)
Looks like a squad that will struggle for top6/7 we need much more than this United need at least 3/3 Marquee Signings and 4/5 less expensive squad players.

The Marquee Signings should be CFW, RWS, CM, CB

The lesser signings should be CB, No 8, LB, young DM.

We’ve been burnt so many times we need to get the 3 or 4 marquee players right and the first one we should go all out for Is Nicola Barella but that boat looks like it’s gone now Madrid are interested, we need to improve our spine with quality additions.


Perfect window would start with Jarod Braithwaite, Nicola Barella and Benjamin Sesco or Joshua Zikzee, even if it cost £160-170m for those 3, those 3 of 4 players instantly improve the team and squad.
 
Oh yeah there definitely needs to a massive overhaul,unfortunately suspect that FFP will stop us being able to do that. There is a suggestion things could improve in July so maybe I'm wrong
meh we just need to be smart. Focus on good value and find players that fit a system instead of going for the big 60 plus million signings can easily allow for more signings.
 
What do people see in Sesko? He's underperformed in the Bundesliga, how will he translate to the Prem?
He’s played 39 games club and country scored 16 and three Assists

He’s 20 years old, 6’3 and rapid
His 11 goals and 1 assists in domestic football comes from 1359 minutes so he has a goal involvement ever 113 minutes

At 19 in the Austrian bundersliga he had 22 Goal involvements in 41 games or 2574 minutes which is a GI every 117 minutes

That shows he’s stepped up a league and held his own. I’m slightly biased as my wife’s slovenian and I saw him live in October and impressed me no end with a brace. He’s just clever, quick and strong and would for only £42m be a great partner for Rasmus going forward.
 
Looks like a squad that will struggle for top6/7 we need much more than this United need at least 3/3 Marquee Signings and 4/5 less expensive squad players.

The Marquee Signings should be CFW, RWS, CM, CB

The lesser signings should be CB, No 8, LB, young DM.

We’ve been burnt so many times we need to get the 3 or 4 marquee players right and the first one we should go all out for Is Nicola Barella but that boat looks like it’s gone now Madrid are interested, we need to improve our spine with quality additions.


Perfect window would start with Jarod Braithwaite, Nicola Barella and Benjamin Sesco or Joshua Zikzee, even if it cost £160-170m for those 3, those 3 of 4 players instantly improve the team and squad.

Yeah like all of them signings,still need a full back and more in midfield as well though
 
It would be great if we could solely sign proven players but unfortunately our squad is not in the right place for that as we have a lot of gaps and rebuilding to do. Our issue is not just quality but depth too, as we’ve seen from the teams we’ve been putting out and subs we’ve been bringing on recently. If we go for these players we can only sign 2-3 in the summer as they cost £60-100m each and I think we need more reinforcements than just 3 players.

If for example we signed Theo at £60m, Bruno G at £80m, and let’s say Branthwaite at £60m, we would be adding 3 great players but all it would take is an injury to Martinez and we’d be back to playing Maguire or Lindelof again at CB. An injury to Bruno G and we’d be starting McTominay again.

That’s why I think we need to take some calculated risks on transfers and stretch our budget further to add more depth so that we have a SQUAD of players that can play our system. Not just 11 players.

For example, instead of Branthwaite we can buy Todibo and Lucumi for the same/similar amount. Instead of Theo Hernandez, we could buy Frimpong to cover RB and get Doughty from Luton on a free to cover Shaw at LB. Instead of Bruno G for £80m we should buy Thuram from Nice and Andre Trindade from Brazil.

This way if we have an injury in any of these positions, we’re not forced into playing your McTominays, Maguire, AWBs who aren’t suited to how we want to play. A summer of rebuilding like this and then next summer we can hopefully target more of the type of players you mentioned.

We definitely have to start spreading the money and risk around more than we have done previously. Balancing out bigger signings with some cheaper players has to be the way forward, as well as investing in a number of younger players who are developed/loaned out.

Arsenal have spent big but have also managed to pick up cheaper players like Odegaard, Gabriel, Saliba, Martinelli and some other squad players for reasonable fees. Of course they’ve bought some cheaper flops as well but it’s not as disastrous when they don’t work out.

I am sure INEOS will look at younger and cheaper players, may see more players like Pafundi being signed by Lausanne and Nice with intention of them ending up at Utd as well if things work out.
 
We definitely have to start spreading the money and risk around more than we have done previously. Balancing out bigger signings with some cheaper players has to be the way forward, as well as investing in a number of younger players who are developed/loaned out.

Arsenal have spent big but have also managed to pick up cheaper players like Odegaard, Gabriel, Saliba, Martinelli and some other squad players for reasonable fees. Of course they’ve bought some cheaper flops as well but it’s not as disastrous when they don’t work out.

I am sure INEOS will look at younger and cheaper players, may see more players like Pafundi being signed by Lausanne and Nice with intention of them ending up at Utd as well if things work out.

Exactly, Arsenal went through the period we should be about to embark on and they are in the position to fine tune their squad with bigger signings like Rice.

This is something Woodward n co never understood - constantly targeted short-term improvement over long-term, sustained success.
 
Looks like a squad that will struggle for top6/7 we need much more than this United need at least 3/3 Marquee Signings and 4/5 less expensive squad players.

The Marquee Signings should be CFW, RWS, CM, CB

The lesser signings should be CB, No 8, LB, young DM.

We’ve been burnt so many times we need to get the 3 or 4 marquee players right and the first one we should go all out for Is Nicola Barella but that boat looks like it’s gone now Madrid are interested, we need to improve our spine with quality additions.


Perfect window would start with Jarod Braithwaite, Nicola Barella and Benjamin Sesco or Joshua Zikzee, even if it cost £160-170m for those 3, those 3 of 4 players instantly improve the team and squad.

I get your thinking and I like all the players you've mentioned. But that isn't much different from what we've been doing for years with little success. All of those players mentioned would be £40m+ and only Barella would really start regularly. Is Branthwaite better than Martinez? Is Sesko better than Hojlund?

I like Sesko a lot, especially at that release clause he apparently has. He is quite raw still but it's pretty obvious he'll become a beast in a year or two. Having said that, I really don't see him coming in to compete with Hojlund. He would want assurances he's the main man and will play the big games. We don't play 2 up front. Sesko already turned us down once when arguably he had a better chance to be a regular starter than he does now.

My mindset is that we pay the big bucks for people who are guaranteed starters (i.e. Zubimendi, Olise). However, if we want young and hungry competition to give the squad more of a competitive feel, I don't think we can pay a lot for them unless they're guaranteed to become world class, i.e. Yoro at 40m with one year left on his contract.

Some of the players I've mentioned are players that would be snapped up by the likes of Brighton, Brentford, Villa etc and be worth double the price in a year or so. Successful United teams of the past have signed players from the Championship who have gone on to being amazing. I think dismissing these players as prospects isn't wise. A year ago, Zirkzee was known as a Munich reject and there were very few calls for him to go to a big team. 2 goals in Serie A. He's developed enormously under Motta at Bologna and now he'll probably go for silly money. I don't think we can always just default to the proven entities when they're worth ridiculous amounts. We've done that for years. We need to take intelligent gambles. Now more than ever.
 
Re edit What United need and why :

For me. Dani Olmo is a "must " now. Why?
Because if you want to dominate and play conistent really good attacking football. You get to have really good ball players that easily pass opponent players.

Then Dani Olmo fit the profile. Here short why :

+ He is super quick and really good with the ball. Top acceleration.
+ I rate him as one of the best player out there when it come to close control in small area.

This cm trio :

Bruno - Mainoo - Olmo = This a premier league title challenging cm trio. This 3 guys is as good as City, Arsenal and Liverpool midfield trio.


+ Dani Olmo = Eriksen replacement. Run more and quicker legs and skills. A creative nr.8. The Iniesta role = LCM(8)


My last and final decision : New creative cm = Dani Olmo


LCM = Dani Olmo

DM/CB = Amadou Onana I am close to last decision on this too


So far this is the 2 players i think United and Ten Hag need

Onana is future replacement of Casemiro. At the same time i believe Onana can do a consistent good job as CB too.


Dalot - Onana - Martinez - Shaw + Mainoo - Casemiro. That can be a option.
 
Mainoo's lack of pace is seriously worrying me. He is not able to do recovery runs if there is space behind him.
 
Does anyone know how big our budget will be if we sell at least three of Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho, Antony, McTominay, Casemiro, Varane?
 
If we want to be a high pressing team, we’re only as good as our slowest defender - their speed dictates how high our line can squeeze up.

We can’t go into next season with any of our back 4 or their immediate backups slower than Martinez.

We need all of these, but here’s my prioritization:

1. starting RCB
2. backup LCB
3. competitive LB (on par with Shaw, since they’ll likely play at least 50% of games)
4. backup striker
5. starting CDM
6. starting RW

Given FFP without CL money, I’d be happy if we got the top 5. That doesn’t solve our attacking problems, but I don’t think we can fix everything in one window. Must get the foundation right first.
 
If we want to be a high pressing team, we’re only as good as our slowest defender - their speed dictates how high our line can squeeze up.

We can’t go into next season with any of our back 4 or their immediate backups slower than Martinez.

We need all of these, but here’s my prioritization:

1. starting RCB
2. backup LCB
3. competitive LB (on par with Shaw, since they’ll likely play at least 50% of games)
4. backup striker
5. starting CDM
6. starting RW

Given FFP without CL money, I’d be happy if we got the top 5. That doesn’t solve our attacking problems, but I don’t think we can fix everything in one window. Must get the foundation right first.

Can’t argue with that. Next up would then be:

+7. New RB to replace AWB
+8. New 8 to replace McTominay
 
If we want to be a high pressing team, we’re only as good as our slowest defender - their speed dictates how high our line can squeeze up.

We can’t go into next season with any of our back 4 or their immediate backups slower than Martinez.

We need all of these, but here’s my prioritization:

1. starting RCB
2. backup LCB
3. competitive LB (on par with Shaw, since they’ll likely play at least 50% of games)
4. backup striker
5. starting CDM
6. starting RW

Given FFP without CL money, I’d be happy if we got the top 5. That doesn’t solve our attacking problems, but I don’t think we can fix everything in one window. Must get the foundation right first.

Sensible post, we will not sell Bruno, Rashford, Mctominay this summer and new CEO and DOF will be more of a fan of Maguire than ETH was, the PL is still a highly physical league and Harry’s form
this season has bought him another year at old Trafford.

I would argue that the three starting positions are the priority as they improve the spine and starting 11 probably giving the team far more mobility and energy.

Dream Signings would be ; A silva, J Paulinho and P Neto

However I would be just as happy with J Branthwaite, A Onana and M Olise.
I think we need a modern playmaker as well from 6/8 mould like Jao Neves, we need to go out and get 4 or 5 young talented players this summer.

We could keep Varane and Maguire for one season, add one young CB, sell Lindelof, even keep J Evans for 10-15 games and one more season to buy time. Just don’t see the club letting Varane go for a free, Lindelof 10m and then we sign two CB like Branthwaite and A Silva for £150-160m yes their wages will be low and the fees are amortised over 5 years, bringing 2 Elite young CBs will cost £35m per year in transfer and £13m in wages so £48m per year on the books against £10m if we get a payment upfront and £22m wages saved from Lindelof and Varane going.
 


That video leads me to think that defence is our biggest need. We need defenders that are quick enough to allow us to play the high press from the back. That should be the prerequisite for any defender we sign going forward.
 
That video leads me to think that defence is our biggest need. We need defenders that are quick enough to allow us to play the high press from the back. That should be the prerequisite for any defender we sign going forward.
We might need to rethink our defensive calculus as a whole, depending on the type of football Ratcliffe wants, and strategize accordingly (given the debilitatingly expensive nature of our recruitment-related shortcomings in recent years).

Let's say, for example, that new co-ownership (in conjunction with Berrada and, presumably Ashworth) direct the Head Coach to implement high-possession and high-press principles at First Team level. Pep Guardiola and Mikel Arteta are obvious reference point for that model, and both of them have shown an inclination for a backline that is almost entirely comprised of centerbacks, of late — when you consider the profiles of the likes of Stones, Aké, White or Kiwior. That does not appear to be a coincidence.

We might be advised to similarly recruit centerbacks for the fullback positions, or at least wide defenders who are versatile and more defensively rigorous than run-of-the-mill fullbacks, with a whole bunch of characteristics under the microscope...
  • Pace and inuition to operate in high lines, as you mentioned. Particularly explosiveness in recovery when you do get beat.
  • The technical werewithal, press-resistance and patience to play in schemes that are predicated on intricate build-ups, especially in confined spaces.
  • The mentality to impose yourselves on the opposition and be the proactive force in any given contest.
  • Counter-pressing expertise to stifle a lot of problems in the bud (instead of always reacting to them).
  • Adaptability and uncommon tactical nous, if these fullbacks are further tasked with operating in midfield areas.
And so forth. Isolating the leftback position, those consideration might lead you to a Piero Hincapié, to cite one potential target, rather than someone who is more of an archetypal vertically oriented wingback.

The margins for sustained, title-contending excellence in the Premier League are so fine, and the leaders of the pack have built up such an advantage, that we will have be optimized in everything we do: in terms of thoroughness of talent evaluation, due-diligence of prospective targets, recruitment-related negotiations, training sessions, the players' own will to improve themselves, the Head Coach's ability to get the best out of the players, in-game management, disciplined recovery, the mentality to always aim for an even higher level.

P.S. Of course, attack is the first deterrant and the most advanced line of defense, so the counter-pressing and workrate of the forwards should always be a consideration (thankfully Højlund and Garnacho seem to be moldable and willing workers, maybe they will prove to trusted solutions). And midfield continues to be a massive, massive concern — probably the biggest issue with the current team; if the fulcrum and buffer-zone of your team is substandard, you are unlikely to go very far.
 
We might need to rethink our defensive calculus as a whole, depending on the type of football Ratcliffe wants, and strategize accordingly (given the debilitatingly expensive nature of our recruitment-related shortcomings in recent years).

Let's say, for example, that new co-ownership (in conjunction with Berrada and, presumably Ashworth) direct the Head Coach to implement high-possession and high-press principles at First Team level. Pep Guardiola and Mikel Arteta are obvious reference point for that model, and both of them have shown an inclination for a backline that is almost entirely comprised of centerbacks, of late — when you consider the profiles of the likes of Stones, Aké, White or Kiwior. That does not appear to be a coincidence.

We might be advised to similarly recruit centerbacks for the fullback positions, or at least wide defenders who are versatile and more defensively rigorous than run-of-the-mill fullbacks, with a whole bunch of characteristics under the microscope...
  • Pace and inuition to operate in high lines, as you mentioned. Particularly explosiveness in recovery when you do get beat.
  • The technical werewithal, press-resistance and patience to play in schemes that are predicated on intricate build-ups, especially in confined spaces.
  • The mentality to impose yourselves on the opposition and be the proactive force in any given contest.
  • Counter-pressing expertise to stifle a lot of problems in the bud (instead of always reacting to them).
  • Adaptability and uncommon tactical nous, if these fullbacks are further tasked with operating in midfield areas.
And so forth. Isolating the leftback position, those consideration might lead you to a Piero Hincapié, to cite one potential target, rather than someone who is more of an archetypal vertically oriented wingback.

The margins for sustained, title-contending excellence in the Premier League are so fine, and the leaders of the pack have built up such an advantage, that we will have be optimized in everything we do: in terms of thoroughness of talent evaluation, due-diligence of prospective targets, recruitment-related negotiations, training sessions, the players' own will to improve themselves, the Head Coach's ability to get the best out of the players, in-game management, disciplined recovery, the mentality to always aim for an even higher level.

P.S. Of course, attack is the first deterrant and the most advanced line of defense, so the counter-pressing and workrate of the forwards should always be a consideration (thankfully Højlund and Garnacho seem to be moldable and willing workers, maybe they will prove to trusted solutions). And midfield continues to be a massive, massive concern — probably the biggest issue with the current team; if the fulcrum and buffer-zone of your team is substandard, you are unlikely to go very far.
The video I posted paints an encouraging view of our pressing prowess from the front (2nd in creating chances I believe). The videos talks about how we concede all these shots. EtH has our backline sitting low, and our forwards pushing high leaving all that exploitable space in the middle. Our forwards have proven their usefulness, our defenders haven't.
 
We need so much
I don’t the think we’ll be able to make a dent in the first window.
Despite how porous our defence is, attack should be priority numero uno. We are bottom half in goals scored. That’s pathetic.

We need a proper winger and an attacking mid, a 10.

A box-to-box or a DM, depending on if Casemiro stays this season.

I think we can get by with our current crop of CBs, assuming Varane stays, wont be ideal but you can’t strengthen every position . GK too, Onana hopefully performs better next season.

The priority should be the LB, its time for Shaw to ride the bench. We haven’t had a quality attacking LB in years now. I want to see someone like Robertson. Someone who’s a threat going forward.

So RW/LW, 10, DM/B2B and a LB.
3 signings is quite realistic.
 
What I feel you've missed here is the vision, tactics and strategy that has been implemented at City for many years. And with Guardiola being at City for almost 8 years, it's provided them with the stability to create a system/style of play that has led them to sign players with a clear and concise idea in mind. And that system or style of play is one that is adopted by most top clubs in England to some degree. And also Guardiola inherited a team from Manuel Pellegrini that was coached to play a system that was quite similar in many aspects along with many quality players that had been signed over the years. They also made a number of poor signings aswell, but when you have Abu Dhabi backing you, then you can turn things around quickly within one or at most two transfer windows. So before you look at the statistics, it's important to understand how City want to play in all phases of play and how they want to go about exerting control with and without the ball.

Ederson was bought to help aid the development of the positional play principles and it's absolutely imperative for a GK to provide the +1 in possession to create the first numerical superiority for a team that wants to build play from the back. The GK in such a system is the free-man in the build up phase hence City went ahead and signed Ederson from Benfica.

Most of Ake, Dias, Stones, Akanji, Walker, Gvardiol have a 90% or close to 90% pass percentile due to the system they play in and how that system functions with the players they have. I created a thread on here when we were linked to Akanji, (link below) and many thought he wasn't better than what we had. But the big difference imo, in why City's CBs have a advantage over our CBs (without including the pace and athleticism) is that the players they pass the ball to and how those players are better at receiving the pass and playing the game on the half turn in small spaces in comparison to our players. That in itself makes a difference in how a bad pass can be turned into a good pass due to the player receiving the ball having the ability in small spaces to create space and progress play on the turn.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manuel-akanji.469058/

Rodri, De Bruyne and Bernardo I will mention together because their performances are linked to one another on the pitch. Rodri is the best player in the world in his position imo, but when you have players like Bernardo and De Bruyne who can receive the pass in the middle third and evade the press on the half turn, then that makes a big difference to why and how City exert zonal and positional control over the opposition. You mention De Bruyne as being in the 99 percentile for passes received but Bruno only being at 25 percentile, and that there is one aspect of why City's first phase (Ederson, CBs, and Rodri) are so good at maintaining a high pass percentile due to the players they're passing the ball to. And Bernardo Silva at the same age as Kobbie Mainoo hadn't even broke into the Benfica first team and was later loaned aged 20 before being sold to the same club he was loaned to at the age of 21.



Rashford and Garnacho are playing in a team that has players that are not good enough playing in small spaces. And when you can't progress play in small spaces, then going direct becomes a option. And those stats will then reflect how the wide forwards of two different teams will appear statistically. Rashford can't be bothered half the time, so I'm not sure how much improvement I expect from him considering his application out of possession is pathetic at times.

Haaland is playing in a team that has much more of the ball in comparison to Hojlund. So City being the more dominant team with and without the ball, will mean they spend more time in the opponent's half hence a striker like Haaland will have more touches in the opposition's box.

If we want to play with more control then we have to work towards creating a team that has the ability to play out from the back and through the thirds. Press high in a collective block with non active players in the press either cutting off passing lanes or marking the opposition forwards tightly. And we need to have the ability to control large space in transition. If we do those things it will create problems for City. I would like to see Mason Mount given a chance in a central role because he does have the ability to receive passes in confined spaces and create half a yard.


I’ve been saying this for years, I don’t know how we scout but none of our players are technically good enough. We need players with great close control and passing but we keep going for the profile of players who are direct instead of intricate.
 
We need so much
I don’t the think we’ll be able to make a dent in the first window.
Despite how porous our defence is, attack should be priority numero uno. We are bottom half in goals scored. That’s pathetic.

We need a proper winger and an attacking mid, a 10.

A box-to-box or a DM, depending on if Casemiro stays this season.

I think we can get by with our current crop of CBs, assuming Varane stays, wont be ideal but you can’t strengthen every position . GK too, Onana hopefully performs better next season.

The priority should be the LB, its time for Shaw to ride the bench. We haven’t had a quality attacking LB in years now. I want to see someone like Robertson. Someone who’s a threat going forward.

So RW/LW, 10, DM/B2B and a LB.
3 signings is quite realistic.

I agree we need a lot but I feel differently from yourself.

I believe Erik wants to play higher up the pitch and squeeze space which at the moment we can’t do because the defence sits deep leaving a huge gap in distance between attack, midfield and themselves. That means longer sprints for our forwards and midfielders trying to get back and forward where they could use their energy more effectivly.

I think to do this we need to start at defence and get 2 Cb’s that can play in a highline but have enough about themselves to cover in behind and defend the wings comfortably when required.

To me if we can fix that I think our attacking will improve.

I like Luke Shaw and when fit and on form he is easily one of the best in Europe, but he shows season after season he can’t really be counted on. So maybe finding someone to properly challenge him and takeover meaning Shaws minutes are managed more.

Move on Maguire, Evans probably Varane and I guess we’d have to keep Lindelof as an option till we can bring in or bring through a couple more.

Just seems to me solidify, defence and midfield to allow the attack to concentrate their efforts more in attacking. In doing so we would be building the base to add more polished players at a later date.

Its terrible that we let the team get in to such a state because we probably need 8 first team players.
 
I’ve been saying this for years, I don’t know how we scout but none of our players are technically good enough. We need players with great close control and passing but we keep going for the profile of players who are direct instead of intricate.
The players are there for ten Hag who can operate in the small spaces. Some are unfortunately injured but I'm not sure why he doesn't play Amrabat ahead of Casemiro who for some strange reason is making basic passing errors. Even sideways passes seem to be off which is unforgivable imo. Amrabat won't be here next season but I don't feel he's been utilised well at all and with Mount on the way back and Mainoo already part of the team, I feel we need to see a midfield 3 of Amrabat, Mainoo and Mount with Bruno in a wide playmaker role. If the aim is to implement more control in possession then a midfield 3 of the aforementioned players has to be given a chance.

We of course require better players in confined spaces and I'm sure we'll improve in that regard come the summer because unlike last summer where the GK and striker positions became priority, I feel this the priority has to be prioritise the deeper midfield areas and at CB with players who will allow us to sustain attacks in the opponent's half. We've bought technical players over the years like Pogba and even Lindelof was said to be a ball playing CB with ice running through his veins.:confused:

But what we have actually neglected are players who can operate in large spaces and control transitions against fast breaks. I don't think you can ignore the threat in transition the EPL poses and that threat has to be accounted for. And to account for that threat, I believe we must sign players who are technically good on the ball but without sacrificing the pace and power element which has become so important for teams who want to sacrifice defensive stability for goals and play the game in the opponent's half.

City has Ake, Akanji, Walker and Rodri who are adept at controlling large spaces.

Liverpool have Van Dijk, Konate and Endo who manage to control large spaces. Before that it was Van Dijk, Matip and Henderson, Wijnaldum who formed a 4 man rest defense to nullify the opponent's transitions in a higher defensive line in a 2-2 shape. With the midfielders containing the spaces centrally and the CBs nullifying the threat in the channels on either side.

Arsenal have Gabriel, Saliba and Rice who are strong at containing transitions whilst having the ability on the ball to make a difference. Gabriel isn't the best on the ball but his physicality and athleticism does make a difference.

So I do agree with you that we need players who are good on the ball in small spaces but I'm hoping we compliment those players by also creating a strong foundation behind them with players who have the ability and potential to control the large spaces out of possession. And when we fail to control the game out of possession because our rest defense as a collective doesn't have the pace and power to nullify transitions and we lose control of the game. Then it's assumed we need more players who are technically capable rather than what we actually need is players who have the physical, athletic and technical ability to nullify the opponent's transition and compact space higher up the pitch which makes the defensive, midfield and attacking lines closer to one another.

I want to see us sign players like Neves and even Alan Varela but I hope we compliment those players with players like Lukeba (LCB), Diomande (RCB) and Onana in midfield which will raise the level when it comes to physicality, athleticism and technical ability.
 
The players are there for ten Hag who can operate in the small spaces. Some are unfortunately injured but I'm not sure why he doesn't play Amrabat ahead of Casemiro who for some strange reason is making basic passing errors. Even sideways passes seem to be off which is unforgivable imo. Amrabat won't be here next season but I don't feel he's been utilised well at all and with Mount on the way back and Mainoo already part of the team, I feel we need to see a midfield 3 of Amrabat, Mainoo and Mount with Bruno in a wide playmaker role. If the aim is to implement more control in possession then a midfield 3 of the aforementioned players has to be given a chance.
Because adding one player who is good at possession-based, non-direct football, will just mess up the balance even more. If Mount, Martinez, Shaw, Mainoo were all available, I think Amrabat would've played more.

Who would Amrabat combine with that doesn't immediately go direct after receiving the ball?

You can't evaluate players in isolation. There are 11 of them on the pitch and they need to "click" as a unit.
 
Watching the United vs Everton game yesterday live, it just made me realise how much work is needed. Ok we had 7/8 first team players out with injuries and I keep saying the modern squad is now 26/27 not 23 it’s too small especially with 2 additional European games next season.

If as expected United qualify for Europa league we will play 8 European league format games then potentially another 9 games with two added European games now in January. This format is the same in the CL as well, so you will see teams struggle next year with small squads. look. at our bench on Saturday, woefully short!

If the club are successful in one of the cups we could say we might play 8/9 Fa and League cup games, that’s a potential total of 64-65 Games. The modern game is changing, it’s more intensive, high energy and more injuries.

I’m not convinced by our Goalkeeping options but they will have to suffice for next season with Tom Heaton signed on for one more year, he’s the best third place GK in the PL, the other two I need to see more. The defence needs huge improvements and we don’t want to make the mistakes we made last summer by dismantling it too quickly, I would keep Varane, resign Evans on a 1 year extension, activate Maguire 1 year so we can sell him next summer 2025/26 for 20-25m.

The club should sell V Lindelof, T Mallacia and AWB for a combined fee of £45-50m this summer. Bring back Alvaro Fernandez and make him Luke Shaw Deputy. We need to spread the budget but the team is desperate for goals, so Frimpong for £40m should be our first recruit and the second should be a CB who has played in the PL, young quick and can play out from the back. Jarod Branthwaite passed his audition yesterday, absolute no brainer for £65m just do the deal. He fits in at Left CB, has the physicality and composure to play for United.

Midfield is seriously needing an upgrade, we lack pace, mobility and the ability to control the tempo of the game, expecting an 18 year old to solve all of our problems is unfair to the Kobie, plus I’m not convinced by his pace levels to be a top class number 6, while I do think he’ll be an elite 8.

If a Saudi team offers 40m for Casemiro we must sell, Eriksen, Hannibal, Amrabat and DVB must also go. The club might raise £65-70m for all departures but we need two absolute huge upgrades potentially 3 new midfield players, I would sign N Barella, L Goretzka or J Kimmich as a marquee starting midfielder, one of the Bayern players should be available and then we should go get the best young Midfielder available like Jao Neves, finally I would upgrade Eriksen for a much more mobile Barkley and his wages would be half of Eriksen salary.

The attacking players need a huge overhaul too, assuming Greenwood, Antony, Martial, F Pellistri all leave and the club recoup £60-65m we will still keep Sancho as no one’s paying his wages. The club will go get two strikers a right winger and CF. My picks would be M Olise and J Zirkzee/B Sesco.

Man United Squad 24/25
Goalkeepers - A Onana, A Bayinder, T Heaton(HG)

Defenders - J Frimpong*(HG), D Dalot, W Kambwala(HG), J Evans(HG), H Maguire(HG), L Shaw(HG), A Fernandez(HG), L Martinez, R Varanne, *J Branthwaite (HG),

Midfield - *J Kimmich, * J Neves, * R Barkley(HG), M Mount(HG), K Mainoo(HG), Bruno Fernandez, S Mctominay (HG),

Strikers - M Rashford(HG),
A Garnaucho(HG), J Sancho(HG),
R Hojlund, * M Olise(HG), Amad, *B Sesco

This is not perfect but a huge upgrade on this season and 27 players would allow us to compete on all fronts. Numerous players would still be on trial but I’ve considered the fact that a new coach will also be in charge.
 
Because adding one player who is good at possession-based, non-direct football, will just mess up the balance even more. If Mount, Martinez, Shaw, Mainoo were all available, I think Amrabat would've played more.

Who would Amrabat combine with that doesn't immediately go direct after receiving the ball?

You can't evaluate players in isolation. There are 11 of them on the pitch and they need to "click" as a unit.
Mount will be available soon and having a midfield 3 of Mainoo, Amrabat and Mount is a possibility. And I'm not looking at things in isolation because we also have a GK who isn't being utilised to his strengths in possession and even with Martinez and Shaw being injured, I think the potential combination between Onana, Amrabat, Mainoo and Mount is enough for me to want them playing together because Casemiro has been poor this season and I don't think we lose a lot with him being on the bench but the potential is there for us to improve in possession with the aforementioned midfield. It's not ideal, but if the intention is to play through midfield and control the game, then something has to change.