Honestly, nothing. I have seen enough of Mourinho to know that he can win the league next season but then the season after that will be a disaster as he gets into fights with his own players. Is he a manager who can leave a lasting legacy in the club? I don't think so.
What does Mourinho need to do to deserve another season?
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He's not touched on the things that need improving enough by a long way, in what will be three seasons. So I don't expect enough to change to make it worth keeping him. That's what it comes down to for me. It's all well and good saying give someone time, but if they've not used the time well enough that they've had then what are we expected to happen?
Creating a decent system doesn't take that long. Sorting the holes in our team should've taken about that long but we still have the same issues.
Creating a decent system doesn't take that long. Sorting the holes in our team should've taken about that long but we still have the same issues.
In my eyes there is nothing he can do this season for me to want him here, I still want him to go, regardless how well we do this season. I'm sick of all the negativity surrounding him.
In the boards eyes if he gets us to top 4, I think they might give him another year. Although if that does happen I can see another summer like last one and next season we will be in a similar situation like this possibly minus Pogba and Martial.
In the boards eyes if he gets us to top 4, I think they might give him another year. Although if that does happen I can see another summer like last one and next season we will be in a similar situation like this possibly minus Pogba and Martial.
If we take Chelsea apart tomorrow with a display of attacking football not seen since the days Ronaldo used to play for us then I am willing to give him a few more weeks grace.
win the league or the UCL
otherwise, get rid
otherwise, get rid
Top4
ChL semis
FA cup title
No less.
ChL semis
FA cup title
No less.
Top 4 shouldn't even be enough to retain him but if it was, it's looking difficult to achieve. We've exhausted our freebie losses/draws this early in the season all without playing the tough fixtures. People talking about the league when one more draw or loss will have us three games out of the top 4. We could spend months trying to claw back that gap
Nothing.
Absolutely no way we can win the league with Liverpool's overhaul in the summer. We got lucky to be second last year but we were a far second place. We need a new manager and a squad overhaul to compete with City and Liverpool.
Absolutely no way we can win the league with Liverpool's overhaul in the summer. We got lucky to be second last year but we were a far second place. We need a new manager and a squad overhaul to compete with City and Liverpool.
I hope we beat Chelsea with a display of scintillating attacking football, although I can not see it happening.
If we do well some will be praising him and how he produced a masterclass and forget all the negativity that has surrounded him all season.
If Jose Mourinho continues for a couple more years, that 60.3 win percentage will come down like a house of cards.
fair enough if we showed title winning form from now until the end of the season climbing our way up the table whilst playing attacking football he would deserve the next season and yes we could put the start down as a blip in form but we have no indication of that happening. In fact we have some indications that once the downward spiral of negative results begins there's nothing he can do to arrest it. We've had a very kind start to the season in terms of fixtures actually. really we should be top of the league with the games we've had.
I want him to do well with us but it is unlikely that things will get much better than this. I still am hopeful though and so I want him to firstly have a good idea about his best 11 and then build from there. If we finish within top 2 or 3 then he deserves another shot to consolidate what he has begun to build.
Your right and although it is very very unlikely we keep hoping.
Being realistic all he needs is to end the season with a UCL spot. Maybe not what us, the fans, want but is certainly enough for the board.
I'm not even sure winning the CL or the premier league will be enough for me to want Jose to stay on for another year. There are so many problems surrounding the club at present, the vast majority of which can be attributed to Jose one way or another.
Clearly, he is not the right man to lead the club forward.
Clearly, he is not the right man to lead the club forward.
Beating Chelsea would even still be business as usual. Occasional spirited win against a big team then back to looking uninspired against the Crystal palaces the week after
At this point we've seen what he can bring to the club and it's not what we're looking for. Just get rid of him, we'll find someone eventually, and stick to him.
Problem is this terrible patch of form has dragged on for far too long to still be considered a patch of form. If you can't see that, you clearly haven't been following Man United
We didn't win there in ages.
Not the point I was making. Look at the rest of the post
Yeah, but we did score 38 goals in the various cup competitions that season.
We won against City and Arsenal away under Jose I think. It wouldn't be business as usual.
Premier League and/or Champions League. Neither will happen.
For Ed and the Glazers, top 4 is enough.
For Ed and the Glazers, top 4 is enough.
Something funny ?
It's what is whole philosophy is based around, it's not his fault more than half of the squad were so set in their ways that they couldn't adapt to it.
He had the money. He bought Blind, AdM, Depay, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Darmian, Martial etc. Its' his fault if the squad he built (or rather, trimmed down) couldn't play his football. Compared to LvG's second season, Jose's style is better, if not by much.
Sigh. My point is going from wins against top 6 opponents to struggling against relegation fodder the following week is business as usual for us and why I wouldn't be swayed by a win tomorrow alone. The exact top 6 team or relegation team is irrelevant in this context
This .
In the context you created it is absolutely irrelevant, I agree. In the reality where we are chasing top 4 it is massive, not to mention it would be great to finally win there. No matter how you feel about Jose.
League or Cl or OUT.. 3rd year no excuses
We're seriously going off thread here, but the players he brought in could adapt, that's why he signed them, it was the players, with the exception of Mike Smalling(who came into the game late and not so set in his ways) he inherited that couldn't, christ he had players like Rooney who thought if he ran around a lot and looked busy people wouldn't notice he didn't have a clue what he was actually doing, yet the younger lads new to the team(Lingard, Rashford et al)embraced it.
I think it's impossible for him to turn it around. That's not an exaggeration at all.
The football isn't going to change. His management both on and off the pitch won't change. Even if we make the top four (and I think we'd barely make it if we do), it's just not good enough for the money he's spent and the wages we're paying him.
The football isn't going to change. His management both on and off the pitch won't change. Even if we make the top four (and I think we'd barely make it if we do), it's just not good enough for the money he's spent and the wages we're paying him.
He needs to buy the right players in January, then I’d be interested again. Not only talking about a defender, but a right winger and a new attacker. Perhaps something extra special in midfield, it’s not like Matic would get into any top, top team these days. I love Matic, don’t get me wrong, but we can’t allow ourselves to see his decline from now until he’s 35. No new, top players - no chance for progress, no excitement. Our team simply isn’t good enough, it’s his job to make it better. Lukaku is the end of Mourinho and any other manager that dares to play him every single game.
The only way he should stay is if he suddenly ceases to be Jose Mourinho. I view that as quite unlikely, so he needs to go.
There is no benefit to keeping him. Would genuinely rather see what the current coaches can do than have his miserable, dour football for another 90 minutes.
There is no benefit to keeping him. Would genuinely rather see what the current coaches can do than have his miserable, dour football for another 90 minutes.
He is done as a top end coach, the game has passed him by.
LvG gave us an fa cup and cl football, didn't mean much because the football was devoid of enjoyment.
Jose got us to second place last season, i was still unsure if he was the right man for this job.
It's not about getting to a certain position in the league for me. It's everything else.
He's reached the top, he's the manager at the biggest club in the world! He should be proud, and happy. He should want to represent this great club the best way possible. With dignity and pride, respect for the club. Instead he takes every opportunity to get digs in at everyone, his own players, Woodward, refs, united legends, media. Acting like an angry narcissistic teenager. He's got one the best squads in the league but he's acting like he's got a squad full of championship players. Saying the second place last year was the biggest achivement of his career??
The different treatment of the players.
Mctominay seems like decent lad, good professional attitude and all, but he is nowhere near good enough for our first team right now. But Jose is praising him like he's the next Roy Keane. He even plays him in defence ahead of natural cb's.
Lukaku always plays despite showing poor form for months. Matic plays despite poor form. Fellaini seems to be a favourite player despite being a rather average player.
Smaller, quicker, more technical players like Mata, Pereira, and Martial can have one below average game and then they're on the bench or not in the team at all next couple of games. Seems to be similar treatment for Fred.
But all that wouldn't matter much if the football was a joy to watch, but it isn't.
Negative, defensive, passive, disjointed.
Really hope he can work out how to get the best of our players, soon. Starting tomorrow wouldn't hurt.
Jose got us to second place last season, i was still unsure if he was the right man for this job.
It's not about getting to a certain position in the league for me. It's everything else.
He's reached the top, he's the manager at the biggest club in the world! He should be proud, and happy. He should want to represent this great club the best way possible. With dignity and pride, respect for the club. Instead he takes every opportunity to get digs in at everyone, his own players, Woodward, refs, united legends, media. Acting like an angry narcissistic teenager. He's got one the best squads in the league but he's acting like he's got a squad full of championship players. Saying the second place last year was the biggest achivement of his career??
The different treatment of the players.
Mctominay seems like decent lad, good professional attitude and all, but he is nowhere near good enough for our first team right now. But Jose is praising him like he's the next Roy Keane. He even plays him in defence ahead of natural cb's.
Lukaku always plays despite showing poor form for months. Matic plays despite poor form. Fellaini seems to be a favourite player despite being a rather average player.
Smaller, quicker, more technical players like Mata, Pereira, and Martial can have one below average game and then they're on the bench or not in the team at all next couple of games. Seems to be similar treatment for Fred.
But all that wouldn't matter much if the football was a joy to watch, but it isn't.
Negative, defensive, passive, disjointed.
Really hope he can work out how to get the best of our players, soon. Starting tomorrow wouldn't hurt.
If he can achieve this and get the players onside, then yeah, he deserves another season.
If he can get Jones to win the Ballon D'Or, I'd give him a 10yr extension just for the sheer hilarity of it.
The same Rooney he made club captain and refused to drop, no matter how badly he played? Poor Louis. None of what happened could possibly be blamed on him.
You’re also taking complete horseshit about the players he signed all being able to adapt to his approach and, hence, not part of the problem. They were all fecking disasters. Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Darmian, Depay. What did you see in their performances for United that spoke to you of players hand-picked to execute his famous “philosophy”? Almot all of his best players were already at the club when he arrived.
Win the league or the champions league. Actually I'd even give him the benefit of the doubt if he leads us to second place in the league with attacking football.
You've gotta love all the hypothetical and completely unrealistic questions that are raised on here.