What the league table actually looks like

Gandalf Greyhame

Pass, you cannot! — Yoda the Green
Scout
Joined
Dec 7, 2013
Messages
5,936
Location
In a tree, spying on the next opposition.
30th Dec, 2020

32 Liverpool
31
30 Man Utd
29 Leicester, Everton
28
27
26 Villa, Chelsea, Spurs, Man City, Southampton
25
24
23 West Ham, Leeds
22
21 Wolves
20 Arsenal
19 Palace
18 Newcastle
17
16 Burnley
15
14
13 Brighton
12
11 Fulham
10
9
8 West Brom
7
6
5
4
3
2 Sheffield Utd
 

JinnerJamie

Small ginger
Joined
Jan 26, 2011
Messages
9,962
Location
The Kings Town of Hull
4th January 2021

33 - Liverpool / Man Utd*
32 - Leicester
31
30
29 Tottenham* / Man City** / Southampton / Everton*
28
27
26 - Villa** / Chelsea / West Ham
25
24
23 - Arsenal / Leeds
22 - Wolves / Palace
21
20
19 - Newcastle*
18
17
16 - Burnley**
15
14 - Brighton
13
12
11 - Fulham**
10
-9
-8 - West Brom
-7
-6
-5
-4
-3
-2 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
 

lost7

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Dec 31, 2020
Messages
141
Burnley is such a key game. Win that and we go 3 points ahead of Liverpool right before going to Anfield, which should give the players a lot of confidence to play for the win. I haven't been this excited about football in a very long time, let's hope we can keep looking forward to a title race for the whole season
 

Alemar

Full Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2017
Messages
3,963
Burnley is such a key game. Win that and we go 3 points ahead of Liverpool right before going to Anfield, which should give the players a lot of confidence to play for the win.
City is ahead of Liverpool on points lost, so perhaps they are also our biggest title rival this year
 

SuperiorXI

Full Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2012
Messages
7,295
Location
Manchester, England
Burnley is such a key game. Win that and we go 3 points ahead of Liverpool right before going to Anfield, which should give the players a lot of confidence to play for the win. I haven't been this excited about football in a very long time, let's hope we can keep looking forward to a title race for the whole season
Winning vs Burnley would be huge but I've got a feeling we won't... just simply the way football works. The footy gods won't give us this win, they want us level when we face the scouse.
 

El Zoido

Full Member
Joined
Jun 7, 2013
Messages
9,163
Location
UK
Winning vs Burnley would be huge but I've got a feeling we won't... just simply the way football works. The footy gods won't give us this win, they want us level when we face the scouse.
I get that feeling too, but I hope the lads are fired up and we smash them.
 

Withnail

Full Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2019
Messages
7,090
Location
The Arena of the Unwell
Games in hand are no guarantee but it's all still very tight at the top once you take them into account.

I feel like I'm going to saying this all year but the next four games are massive for our season.
 

cyberman

Full Member
Joined
May 26, 2010
Messages
21,591
Games in hand are no guarantee but it's all still very tight at the top once you take them into account.

I feel like I'm going to saying this all year but the next four games are massive for our season.
I do feel City are getting rated higher the more games in hand they have.
Its too easy to say win their 2 games in hand and theyre in x position when those 2 games are Everton away and Villa.
 

el3mel

Full Member
Joined
Oct 23, 2016
Messages
35,627
Location
Egypt
I do feel City are getting rated higher the more games in hand they have.
Its too easy to say win their 2 games in hand and theyre in x position when those 2 games are Everton away and Villa.
Their next 6 games are pretty easy bar Villa. If they get 15 - 16 out of the next easy 18 no doubt they will end up in the mix up top. I think the table will look very interesting by the end of Jan.
 

Amerifan

Full Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2019
Messages
982
Best season in well over a decade. Feels like forever since the last proper title race with several teams in the mix including us.
 

Withnail

Full Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2019
Messages
7,090
Location
The Arena of the Unwell
I do feel City are getting rated higher the more games in hand they have.
Its too easy to say win their 2 games in hand and theyre in x position when those 2 games are Everton away and Villa.
I'm not only talking about City. Although they have a fairly easy run coming up bar the game against Villa.

There are 6 teams within pissing distance of the top.

Over the next 10 games, we'll see who's really in the race.
 

cyberman

Full Member
Joined
May 26, 2010
Messages
21,591
Their next 6 games are pretty easy bar Villa. If they get 15 - 16 out of the next easy 18 no doubt they will end up in the mix up top. I think the table will look very interesting by the end of Jan.
So is ours as well. It could well be the 2 Manchester clubs in the title race by March but I do wonder if its the bottom sides that will cause them problems in trying to break them down with low blocks when they have lessened their attacking output by so much.
I cant see Jesus going on an 8 on 8 run this season.
 

wolvored

Full Member
Joined
Jul 6, 2016
Messages
6,261
We haven't even reached halfway yet in games played and we all know when teams have led at the halfway stage, usually new year, some have fecked up big style, and Utd have experienced the ups and down of this. Let's get past another 10 games and see where we are on the run in. We have a fantastic chance let's not jinx it.
 

el3mel

Full Member
Joined
Oct 23, 2016
Messages
35,627
Location
Egypt
So is ours as well. It could well be the 2 Manchester clubs in the title race by March but I do wonder if its the bottom sides that will cause them problems in trying to break them down with low blocks when they have lessened their attacking output by so much.
I cant see Jesus going on an 8 on 8 run this season.
I really don't know why you interpret everything said to be against us? I'm just saying they are well in the mix that's all, regardless of us, they will definitely be more of a challenger than Leicester and Spurs.
 

cyberman

Full Member
Joined
May 26, 2010
Messages
21,591
I really don't know why you interpret everything said to be against us? I'm just saying they are well in the mix that's all, regardless of us, they will definitely be more of a challenger than Leicester and Spurs.
I havent!? Im just pointing out City doesnt really have an advantage against us fixture wise
 

el3mel

Full Member
Joined
Oct 23, 2016
Messages
35,627
Location
Egypt
I havent!? Im just pointing out City doesnt really have an advantage against us fixture wise
No one said that in this thread as far as I'm concerned.
 

Raw

Full Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2013
Messages
23,910
Location
Manchester, UK
Really amazed at how shit Sheffield United have been. Can only see that gap widening.
 

dogwithabone

Full Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2014
Messages
2,130
I guarantee you Scott McTominay WILL look at the league table if we beat Burnley !
 

Hughie77

Full Member
Joined
Oct 22, 2017
Messages
1,308
Your only has good as your last game I feel, and I thought we did very well against Villa, we should have got more goals. Burnley is always tough, they will dig in protect and try and get something from set pieces . I think we should get a positive result before we go to Anfield. They will bottle it in FA cup against Villa on weekend because they will keep there players for UTD.
Can see a awkward game on the 17th, but I can see UTD getting another positive result .
 

tombombadil

Full Member
Joined
Oct 1, 2010
Messages
2,420
Location
Some god forsaken part of Middle Earth
We haven't even reached halfway yet in games played and we all know when teams have led at the halfway stage, usually new year, some have fecked up big style, and Utd have experienced the ups and down of this. Let's get past another 10 games and see where we are on the run in. We have a fantastic chance let's not jinx it.
Yes. So true. We're not even halfway yet. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. For perspective, between 1st and 10th is only 7 points. One game at a time.
 
Last edited:

Sandikan

aka sex on the beach
Joined
Mar 14, 2011
Messages
35,736
One game at a time for certain.
But if we could be top, at least on points by the other side of the Arsenal away game we'd be in a superb position.
 

JinnerJamie

Small ginger
Joined
Jan 26, 2011
Messages
9,962
Location
The Kings Town of Hull
14th January

36 - Man Utd
35
34
33 - Liverpool
32 - Man City* /Leicester / Everton
31
30 - Tottenham
29 - Southampton
28
27
26 - Villa** / Chelsea / West Ham
25
24 - Arsenal
23 - Leeds / Palace
22 - Wolves
21
20
19 - Newcastle
18
17
16 - Burnley*
15
14 - Brighton
13
12 - Fulham*
11
10
-9
-8 - West Brom
-7
-6
-5 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand

Arsenal, Palace, Brighton, Wolves and Sheff Utd have played 18 games
 
Last edited:

JinnerJamie

Small ginger
Joined
Jan 26, 2011
Messages
9,962
Location
The Kings Town of Hull
16th - 18th January

40
39
38
37 - Man Utd
36
35 - Man City* / Leicester
34 - Liverpool
33 - Tottenham
32 - Everton*
31
30
29 - Chelsea / Southampton / West Ham
28
27 - Arsenal
26 - Villa**
25
24
23 - Leeds / Palace
22 - Wolves
21
20
19 - Newcastle
18
17 - Brighton
16 - Burnley*
15
14
13
12 - Fulham*
11 - West Brom
10
-9
-8
-7
-6
-5 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
 
Last edited:

RainyDays_10

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jan 15, 2021
Messages
18
Supports
Liverpool
16th - 17th January

40
39
38
37 - Man Utd
36
35 - Man City* / Leicester
34 - Liverpool
33 - Tottenham
32 - Everton
31
30
29 - Chelsea / Southampton / West Ham
28
27
26 - Villa**
25
24 - Arsenal
23 - Leeds / Palace
22 - Wolves
21
20
19 - Newcastle
18
17 - Brighton
16 - Burnley*
15
14
13
12 - Fulham*
11 - West Brom
10
-9
-8
-7
-6
-5 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
Everton have a game in hand.
 

Green_Red

Full Member
Joined
May 29, 2013
Messages
8,403
Villa v City is a massive game for Villa. They need to take points, 3 hopefully, from that game.
 

justsomebloke

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
560
This is what it currently looks like on projected points:


1​
Manchester City
35​
17​
2,1​
78,2​
2​
Manchester United
37​
18​
2,1​
78,1​
3​
Leicester
35​
18​
1,9​
73,9​
4​
Liverpool
34​
18​
1,9​
71,8​
5​
Everton
32​
17​
1,9​
71,5​
6​
Tottenham
33​
18​
1,8​
69,7​
7​
Aston Villa
26​
15​
1,7​
65,9​
8​
Southampton
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
9​
West Ham
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
10​
Chelsea
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
11​
Arsenal
24​
18​
1,3​
50,7​
12​
Leeds
23​
18​
1,3​
48,6​
13​
Crystal Palace
23​
18​
1,3​
48,6​
14​
Wolves
22​
19​
1,2​
44,0​
15​
Newcastle
19​
17​
1,1​
42,5​
16​
Brighton
17​
18​
0,9​
35,9​
17​
Burnley
16​
18​
0,9​
33,8​
18​
Fulham
12​
18​
0,7​
25,3​
19​
West Bromwich
11​
18​
0,6​
23,2​
20​
Sheffield United
5​
19​
0,3​
10,0​
 

DannyCAFC

Full Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2014
Messages
1,717
Supports
Charlton Athletic
This is what it currently looks like on projected points:


1​
Manchester City
35​
17​
2,1​
78,2​
2​
Manchester United
37​
18​
2,1​
78,1​
3​
Leicester
35​
18​
1,9​
73,9​
4​
Liverpool
34​
18​
1,9​
71,8​
5​
Everton
32​
17​
1,9​
71,5​
6​
Tottenham
33​
18​
1,8​
69,7​
7​
Aston Villa
26​
15​
1,7​
65,9​
8​
Southampton
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
9​
West Ham
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
10​
Chelsea
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
11​
Arsenal
24​
18​
1,3​
50,7​
12​
Leeds
23​
18​
1,3​
48,6​
13​
Crystal Palace
23​
18​
1,3​
48,6​
14​
Wolves
22​
19​
1,2​
44,0​
15​
Newcastle
19​
17​
1,1​
42,5​
16​
Brighton
17​
18​
0,9​
35,9​
17​
Burnley
16​
18​
0,9​
33,8​
18​
Fulham
12​
18​
0,7​
25,3​
19​
West Bromwich
11​
18​
0,6​
23,2​
20​
Sheffield United
5​
19​
0,3​
10,0​
Whose projections are these exactly?
 

justsomebloke

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
560
Whose projections are these exactly?
No ones. It's points gained divided by games played x38. In other words, how the final table will look if everyone continues to win points to the same degree that they have so far. It's really just a way of clarifying what performance so far implies for the season as a whole, as well as to adjust for the difference in games played.
 

DannyCAFC

Full Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2014
Messages
1,717
Supports
Charlton Athletic
No ones. It's points gained divided by games played x38. In other words, how the final table will look if everyone continues to win points to the same degree that they have so far. It's really just a way of clarifying what performance so far implies for the season as a whole, as well as to adjust for the difference in games played.
Oh, OK. I mean PPG and 'projected points are very different things.

Also Burnley have only played 17 games.
 

SadlerMUFC

Full Member
Joined
Dec 7, 2017
Messages
3,813
Location
Niagara Falls, Canada
This is what it currently looks like on projected points:


1​
Manchester City
35​
17​
2,1​
78,2​
2​
Manchester United
37​
18​
2,1​
78,1​
3​
Leicester
35​
18​
1,9​
73,9​
4​
Liverpool
34​
18​
1,9​
71,8​
5​
Everton
32​
17​
1,9​
71,5​
6​
Tottenham
33​
18​
1,8​
69,7​
7​
Aston Villa
26​
15​
1,7​
65,9​
8​
Southampton
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
9​
West Ham
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
10​
Chelsea
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
11​
Arsenal
24​
18​
1,3​
50,7​
12​
Leeds
23​
18​
1,3​
48,6​
13​
Crystal Palace
23​
18​
1,3​
48,6​
14​
Wolves
22​
19​
1,2​
44,0​
15​
Newcastle
19​
17​
1,1​
42,5​
16​
Brighton
17​
18​
0,9​
35,9​
17​
Burnley
16​
18​
0,9​
33,8​
18​
Fulham
12​
18​
0,7​
25,3​
19​
West Bromwich
11​
18​
0,6​
23,2​
20​
Sheffield United
5​
19​
0,3​
10,0​
I'm failing to understand what your numbers mean. I'm guessing the far right is points based off average ppg so far, but what do the first 3 columns mean? Maybe an abbreviation over top will help.
 

Uniquim

Full Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2009
Messages
5,024
Location
Location, Location
This is what it currently looks like on projected points:


1​
Manchester City
35​
17​
2,1​
78,2​
2​
Manchester United
37​
18​
2,1​
78,1​
3​
Leicester
35​
18​
1,9​
73,9​
4​
Liverpool
34​
18​
1,9​
71,8​
5​
Everton
32​
17​
1,9​
71,5​
6​
Tottenham
33​
18​
1,8​
69,7​
7​
Aston Villa
26​
15​
1,7​
65,9​
8​
Southampton
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
9​
West Ham
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
10​
Chelsea
29​
18​
1,6​
61,2​
11​
Arsenal
24​
18​
1,3​
50,7​
12​
Leeds
23​
18​
1,3​
48,6​
13​
Crystal Palace
23​
18​
1,3​
48,6​
14​
Wolves
22​
19​
1,2​
44,0​
15​
Newcastle
19​
17​
1,1​
42,5​
16​
Brighton
17​
18​
0,9​
35,9​
17​
Burnley
16​
18​
0,9​
33,8​
18​
Fulham
12​
18​
0,7​
25,3​
19​
West Bromwich
11​
18​
0,6​
23,2​
20​
Sheffield United
5​
19​
0,3​
10,0​
FiveThirtyEight (yes, the guys that does all the us election stuff) actually have a table like this too.



Explanation of SPI Ratings:
"At the heart of our club soccer forecasts are FiveThirtyEight’s SPI ratings, which are our best estimate of a team’s overall strength. In our system, every team has an offensive rating that represents the number of goals it would be expected to score against an average team on a neutral field, and a defensive rating that represents the number of goals it would be expected to concede. These ratings, in turn, produce an overall SPI rating, which represents the percentage of available points — a win is worth 3 points, a tie worth 1 point, and a loss worth 0 points — the team would be expected to take if that match were played over and over again.

Given the ratings for any two teams, we can project the result of a match between them in a variety of formats — such as a league match, a home-and-away tie or a cup final — as well as simulate whole seasons to arrive at the probability each team will win the league, qualify for the Champions League or be relegated to a lower division."

[Longer, very detailed explanation]

(These guys are very good with election projections)
 

FootballHQ

Full Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2017
Messages
12,888
Supports
Aston Villa
What points total do people think will win the league?

The range from 2017 to last year was 93-100

Fair to say it will be nowhere near that this season. Man. United can only get to 97 points if you win every single league game left so less than the league winners of last three seasons and can only drop points in one more game to beat Chelsea's 93 total from 2017.

Man. City win their next two and they're on course for 82 points over the season and that tally sounds about right to me although currently Man. City don't look the sort who'll be dropping as many point as they did in the first two months of the season.

Will go safe and say anyone who gets 85 points are 99.9% sure to be 1st and it could be a point or two lower.

That's still a good tally to win a league but just shows the abnormal recent seasons not just in prem but in other leagues as likes of Juve, Bayern Munich, Barca and Real Madrid all look like they'll be way down on what they've averaged over last decade so shows what a great leveller disrupted pre season has been.

Just seen the post above.....looks quite accurate I'd say in terms of points totals for top half although Arsenal finishing bottom half on 55 points is a bit mad!
 

cyberman

Full Member
Joined
May 26, 2010
Messages
21,591
What points total do people think will win the league?

The range from 2017 to last year was 93-100

Fair to say it will be nowhere near that this season. Man. United can only get to 97 points if you win every single league game left so less than the league winners of last three seasons and can only drop points in one more game to beat Chelsea's 93 total from 2017.

Man. City win their next two and they're on course for 82 points over the season and that tally sounds about right to me although currently Man. City don't look the sort who'll be dropping as many point as they did in the first two months of the season.

Will go safe and say anyone who gets 85 points are 99.9% sure to be 1st and it could be a point or two lower.

That's still a good tally to win a league but just shows the abnormal recent seasons not just in prem but in other leagues as likes of Juve, Bayern Munich, Barca and Real Madrid all look like they'll be way down on what they've averaged over last decade so shows what a great leveller disrupted pre season has been.
80 odd should win it. Im not buying this City reveival just yet, theyve only beaten 2 of the top 10 as it stands and their recent run is against average opposition, plus Southampton who could easily have got a draw imo.