What the league table actually looks like

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City beating Palace has made them potentially leaders if they win their game in hand. We need to win back our next game and trigger some winning form or we will struggle now.
I say that but we face Fulham while City faces Aston Villa, so hopefully a Graelish masterclass can make them lose some pts.

The draw was not very good but could turn out to be alright in the long run, we need to wait a bit more to see that out.
 

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Our problem in the first half of the season was the games against the big 6 + Leicester, where we won only 4 points from 18 possible. By contrast, if we beat Fulham, we'll have conquered 36 points from 39 possible against the other teams.

So if we maintain this level in the second half against those teams and improve our performances against the top, we'll be good. Let's say, 10 points against the top teams (i'm confident we can beat Arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester at least), and again 36 points from the other teams, thats 46 points in the second half, which would put us to finish the season with 86 points.

I dont think any team will finish with more than 90 points, so we'll be in the fight until the end.
 

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Anyone else feel like this City improved form is coming at the right time for us? They’re beating teams they’d beat anyway right now and we need them fired up for the trip to Anfield. Hoping of course they dip later too
 

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Our problem in the first half of the season was the games against the big 6 + Leicester, where we won only 4 points from 18 possible. By contrast, if we beat Fulham, we'll have conquered 36 points from 39 possible against the other teams.

So if we maintain this level in the second half against those teams and improve our performances against the top, we'll be good. Let's say, 10 points against the top teams (i'm confident we can beat Arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester at least), and again 36 points from the other teams, thats 46 points in the second half, which would put us to finish the season with 86 points.

I dont think any team will finish with more than 90 points, so we'll be in the fight until the end.
My only concern about Chelsea is that it's the second biggest bogey ground for us and need to actually find a performance at Arsenal because last two seasons our performances there have been pretty awful to be honest
 

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Anyone else feel like this City improved form is coming at the right time for us? They’re beating teams they’d beat anyway right now and we need them fired up for the trip to Anfield. Hoping of course they dip later too
That is a fair point but also worry they could be flowing with confidence and just pull away from the pack if they really outlclass the scousers in this game which we definitely don't want to happen
 

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That is a fair point but also worry they could be flowing with confidence and just pull away from the pack if they really outlclass the scousers in this game which we definitely don't want to happen
Fair enough. I guess I’m hoping they also conveniently dip at the right time too :lol: sadly they probably have the squad for fixture congestion
 

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Fair enough. I guess I’m hoping they also conveniently dip at the right time too :lol: sadly they probably have the squad for fixture congestion
Yeah they definitely don't have an issue with squad depth
 

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Had this ready to go... I will update as the week goes on

19th- 23rd January

40 - Man Utd
39
38 - Man City* / Leicester
37
36
35
34 - Liverpool
33 - Tottenham*
32 - Everton** / West Ham
31
30
29 - Villa** / Chelsea / Southampton*
28
27 - Arsenal
26 -
25
24
23 - Leeds* / Palace
22 - Wolves
21
20
19 - Burnley* / Newcastle
18
17 - Brighton
16 -
15
14
13
12 - Fulham*
11 - West Brom
10
-9
-8
-7
-6
-5 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
 
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Had this ready to go... I will update as the week goes on

19th- 23rd January

40
39
38 - Leicester
37 - Man Utd
36
35 - Man City*
34 - Liverpool
33 - Tottenham
32 - Everton* / West Ham
31
30
29 - Chelsea / Southampton
28
27 - Arsenal
26 - Villa**
25
24
23 - Leeds / Palace
22 - Wolves
21
20
19 - Newcastle
18
17 - Brighton
16 - Burnley*
15
14
13
12 - Fulham*
11 - West Brom
10
-9
-8
-7
-6
-5 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
So basically.. Sheffield United are fecked..
 

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Had this ready to go... I will update as the week goes on

19th- 23rd January

41
40
39
38 - Leicester
37 - Man Utd*
36
35 - Man City**
34 - Liverpool*
33 - Tottenham*
32 - Everton** / West Ham
31
30
29 - Chelsea / Southampton*
28
27 - Arsenal
26 - Villa***
25
24
23 - Leeds* / Palace
22 - Wolves
21
20
19 - Newcastle*
18
17 - Brighton
16 - Burnley**
15
14
13
12 - Fulham**
11 - West Brom
10
-9
-8
-7
-6
-5 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
Should it not be games in hand from most games played? (19) So we should have an * next to us (as edited) or am I looking at it the wrong way.
 

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Should it not be games in hand from most games played? (19) So we should have an * next to us (as edited) or am I looking at it the wrong way.
The game week has begun so I’ll give it chance to play out as it’ll probably even it’s self out following this round of matches.
 

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19th- 23rd January

40 - Man Utd
39
38 - Man City* / Leicester
37
36
35
34 - Liverpool*
33 - Tottenham*
32 - Everton** / West Ham
31
30
29 - Chelsea / Southampton*
28
27 - Arsenal
26 - Villa***
25
24
23 - Leeds* / Palace
22 - Wolves
21
20
19 - Newcastle*
18
17 - Brighton
16 - Burnley**
15
14
13
12 - Fulham*
11 - West Brom
10
-9
-8
-7
-6
-5 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
Added todays results and games in hand have been added for all that haven't yet played 19 games.
 

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19th- 23rd January

40 - Man Utd
39
38 - Man City* / Leicester
37
36
35
34 - Liverpool
33 - Tottenham*
32 - Everton** / West Ham
31
30
29 - Chelsea / Southampton*
28
27 - Arsenal
26 - Villa***
25
24
23 - Leeds* / Palace
22 - Wolves
21
20
19 - Newcastle* / Burnley*
18
17 - Brighton
16 -
15
14
13
12 - Fulham*
11 - West Brom
10
-9
-8
-7
-6
-5 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
Updated :cool:
 

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Had this ready to go... I will update as the week goes on

19th- 23rd January

40 - Man Utd
39
38 - Man City* / Leicester
37
36
35
34 - Liverpool
33 - Tottenham*
32 - Everton** / West Ham
31
30
29 - Villa** / Chelsea / Southampton*
28
27 - Arsenal
26 -
25
24
23 - Leeds* / Palace
22 - Wolves
21
20
19 - Burnley* / Newcastle
18
17 - Brighton
16 -
15
14
13
12 - Fulham*
11 - West Brom
10
-9
-8
-7
-6
-5 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
Villa's win added
 

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80 odd should win it. Im not buying this City reveival just yet, theyve only beaten 2 of the top 10 as it stands and their recent run is against average opposition, plus Southampton who could easily have got a draw imo.
Absolutyely this. We've not staked a claim on anything and now KDB is out we will see how City react. Klopp is going to kick his boys up the arse too and they will respond too. Utd might just be able to pick up a title whilst others are flailing.
 

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41- Man City*
40 - Man Utd
39 - Leicester
38
37 - Liverpool
36
35 - West Ham
34
33 - Tottenham* / Everton**
32
31
30 - Chelsea / Arsenal
29 - Villa** / Southampton*
28
27 -
26 - Leeds*
25
24
23 - Palace / Wolves
22 - Burnley*
21
20
19 - Newcastle
18
17 - Brighton
16 -
15
14
13 - Fulham*
12
11 - West Brom
10
9
8 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
 
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I think the table maybe finally starting to settle down, the bottom 3 are really starting to fall adrift and it seems the top 4 have a little wiggle room, of which United seem to be taking advantage of worryingly.

30th / 31st January

44 - Man City*
43 -
42 -
41- Man Utd
40 - Liverpool
39 - Leicester
38 -
37 -
36 -
35 - West Ham
34
33 - Tottenham* / Chelsea / Everton**
32 - Villa**
31 - Arsenal
30 -
29 - Southampton* / Leeds*
28
27 -
26 - Palace
25
24
23 - Wolves
22 - Burnley* / Newcastle
21 - Brighton
20
19 -
18
17
16
15
14 - Fulham*
13
12 - West Brom
11
10
9
8 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
 

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I think we will end up third or fourth. But that depends on us winning games we should win. No one expected us to lose at home to Sheffield United either.
 

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47 - Man City*
46 -
45 -
44 - Man Utd
43 -
42 - Leicester
41-
40 - Liverpool
39 -
38 - West Ham
37 -
36 - Chelsea / Everton**
35 -
34 -
33 - Tottenham*
32 - Villa**
31 - Arsenal
30 -
29 - Southampton* / Leeds* / Palace
28 -
27 -
26 - Wolves
25 -
24 - Brighton
23 -
22 - Newcastle / Burnley*
21 -
20 -
19 -
18 -
17 -
16 -
15 -
14 - Fulham*
13 -
12 - West Brom
11 - Sheffield Utd


* = Number of games in hand
 

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Good to see that Everton v City game has finally got a date now
 

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50 - Man City*
49 -
48 -
47 -
46 -
45 - Man Utd
44 -
43 - Leicester
42 -
41-
40 - Liverpool
39 - Chelsea / West Ham
38 -
37 - Everton**
36 - Tottenham*
35 - Villa**
34 -
33 -
32 - Leeds*
31 - Arsenal
30 -
29 - Southampton* / Palace
28 -
27 -
26 - Wolves
25 - Brighton / Newcastle
24 -
23 - Burnley*
22 -
21 -
20 -
19 -
18 -
17 -
16 -
15 - Fulham*
14 -
13 -
12 - West Brom
11 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
 

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50 - Man City*
49 -
48 -
47 -
46 -
45 - Man Utd
44 -
43 - Leicester
42 -
41-
40 - Liverpool
39 - Chelsea / West Ham
38 -
37 - Everton**
36 - Tottenham*
35 - Villa**
34 -
33 -
32 - Leeds*
31 - Arsenal
30 -
29 - Southampton* / Palace
28 -
27 -
26 - Wolves
25 - Brighton / Newcastle
24 -
23 - Burnley*
22 -
21 -
20 -
19 -
18 -
17 -
16 -
15 - Fulham*
14 -
13 -
12 - West Brom
11 - Sheffield Utd

* = Number of games in hand
Great to have some daylight between us and the Scousers. Would be great if City slipped up to leave the derby interesting.
 

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Great to have some daylight between us and the Scousers. Would be great if City slipped up to leave the derby interesting.
To think we're only 7 wins from last season final points tally. If we can get to 60 points before match day 30, I think we'll be a shoe in for top 3.

I do think we'll be well short of City come the end of the campaign and hopefully Leicester and one of Villa or Everton can round out top 4.
 

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56 - Man City
55 -
54 -
53 -
52 -
51 -
50 -
49 -
48 -
47 -
46 - Man Utd / Leicester
45 -
44 -
43 -
42 - Chelsea / West Ham
41-
40 - Liverpool
39 -
38 -
37 - Everton*
36 - Villa** / Tottenham*
35 -
34 - Arsenal
33 -
32 - Leeds*
31 -
30 - Wolves
29 - Southampton* / Palace
28 -
27 - Burnley
26 - Brighton
25 - Newcastle
24 -
23 -
22 -
21 -
20 -
19 - Fulham
18 -
17 -
16 -
15 -
14 -
13 - West Brom
12 -
11 - Sheffield Utd
10 -
9 -
8 -
7 -
6 -
5 -
4 -
3 -
2 -
1 -
0 -

* = Number of games in hand
 

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I think you're probably going to need to do City in a separate post soon... :(
 

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And just like that, we're back into a top four race from a title challenge. Defence is poor, forwards can't score, errors in management decisions - we have a long way to go to compete with the likes of City if they maintain consistency.

It's still progress, mind you.
 

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And just like that, we're back into a top four race from a title challenge. Defence is poor, forwards can't score, errors in management decisions - we have a long way to go to compete with the likes of City if they maintain consistency.

It's still progress, mind you.
Don't think anyone expected us to be second at this stage.
So it's definitely progress.
 
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It also owes a lot to the poor start side like Liverpool and maybe even Chelsea have had too.
Obviously there’s a lot more context than “we’re joint second, ergo - progress”.

We were the joint third best team in the league last year, and if anyone really believes we’re ahead of a full strength Liverpool team, I’d suggest they need their heads checking.

Hence why all should wait until we’re much closer to the end of the season.
 
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It also owes a lot to the poor start side like Liverpool and maybe even Chelsea have had too.
we had a poor start ourselves to be fair. and are in poor form now. Table doesn't lie as they say, at least not at the end of the season.
 

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A position in the league after 24 games aint “definite” progress, let’s see where we end up after 38.
Unless I'm mistaken, we are 12 points better off at this stage than we were last season...I'd say that's progress wouldn't you??
 

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Unless I'm mistaken, we are 12 points better off at this stage than we were last season...I'd say that's progress wouldn't you??
It will be progress if our overall points tally is higher than last year (66). However if we finished on 70 points for example but in 5th place it certainly can't be classed as that.

Will be a tough few months ahead, need to find our form again.
 

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It will be progress if our overall points tally is higher than last year (66). However if we finished on 70 points for example but in 5th place it certainly can't be classed as that.

Will be a tough few months ahead, need to find our form again.
Agreed,

But currently we are essentially four games (12 points) ahead of where we were last season, which shows progress. 8 more wins would give us 70 points which is more than enough this season for top four, and probably enough to consolidate a distant second, personally I think a points tally of 75 + is easily achievable.
 

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Don't think anyone expected us to be second at this stage.
So it's definitely progress.
Can't ignore the fact that part of this progress in terms of standings is that one of the two teams that set the bar in recent years has dropped off.

Points would probably mean more.
 

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Can't ignore the fact that part of this progress in terms of standings is that one of the two teams that set the bar in recent years has dropped off.

Points would probably mean more.
Not when we are 12 points better off than we were last season!

Yes Liverpool have dropped off, but Leicester, Spurs, Chelsea, City all have equal or more points this season than at the same stage last season.
 

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13th - 17th February

56 - Man City
55 -
54 -
53 -
52 -
51 -
50 -
49 -
48 -
47 -
46 - Man Utd / Leicester
45 -
44 -
43 -
42 - Chelsea / West Ham
41-
40 - Liverpool
39 -
38 -
37 - Everton*
36 - Villa** / Tottenham*
35 -
34 - Arsenal
33 -
32 - Leeds*
31 -
30 - Wolves
29 - Southampton* / Palace
28 -
27 - Burnley
26 - Brighton
25 - Newcastle
24 -
23 -
22 -
21 -
20 -
19 - Fulham
18 -
17 -
16 -
15 -
14 -
13 - West Brom
12 -
11 - Sheffield Utd
10 -
9 -
8 -
7 -
6 -
5 -
4 -
3 -
2 -
1 -
0 -

* = Number of games in hand
The praise for Bielsa is over the top at times but looking at that in the context of a newly promoted side 32 points with 15 games to go is a great effort.
 

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Crazy to think how close Chelsea have got to us considering just a few weeks ago they were close to 15 points behind.
 

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Not when we are 12 points better off than we were last season!
Indeed, now we have to wait until the end of the season to see how much we actually get. Our crap performances until February last season means that up till now, it was easier to pick up points in 2020/21 compared with 2019/20.