Where are the United incomings?

[Ranchero]

We all know that United are lacking in quality in midfield.

So why is it that we are preparing to lose three players on loan including two midfielders without a sniff on any incomings.

We played with two number 8s and one deep-lying midfielder in McT in the deserved win against West Ham.

But right now we have Martial, Lingard and Van De Beek going out the squad on loan without anyone coming in.

Quite how Lingard in particular is not seen as ahead of Fred as an 8 alongside Fernandes is beyond me. Lingard has goals and assists in him. Fred we all know, as the stats don't lie, does not.

In our weak midfield we will be left with 30something Mata and Matic whose best days are behind them and an unreliable Pogba.

Is this really seen as good enough in our battle for top 4.

 

[Ish]

Two reasons I can think of is that none of our first choice targets are available or that they’re saving some kitty for the new permanent manager at the end of the season.

But yeah; we really should be taking a punt on a cheaper option, if saving the kitty is the top priority, just to get some bodies in as we’re well short on quality (& numbers) in midfield.

 

[sparx99]

It could be that we wanted to see who goes out before committing to spending. If we are thinking about Zakaria or someone else whose out of contract we may have wanted wages off the books and some funds incoming first. There is still most of a week left.

 

[charlenefan]

Love threads that complain about x happening before x has even happened

 

[matherto]

Lingard has 'goals and assists in him' yet 'the stats don't lie', as we all know.

 

[wolvored]

We all know that United are lacking in quality in midfield.

So why is it that we are preparing to lose three players on loan including two midfielders without a sniff on any incomings.

We played with two number 8s and one deep-lying midfielder in McT in the deserved win against West Ham.

But right now we have Martial, Lingard and Van De Beek going out the squad on loan without anyone coming in.

Quite how Lingard in particular is not seen as ahead of Fred as an 8 alongside Fernandes is beyond me. Lingard has goals and assists in him. Fred we all know, as the stats don't lie, does not.

In our weak midfield we will be left with 30something Mata and Matic whose best days are behind them and an unreliable Pogba.

Is this really seen as good enough in our battle for top 4.

None of them are starters or regular from the bench either, so bar injuries would they be missed? It might give a youth player a chance to come in, like Elanga has as well. The other option is maybe we have a deal in place and the details are just being ironed out. Who knows?

 

[Someone]

The 3 of them barely played all season, so I doubt we'll be impacted negatively at all. I do think however that we need some depth in midfield regardless to these loans.

 

[M Bison]

Lingard a better no 8 than Fred is a controversial one.

 

[calodo2003]

Lingard has 'goals and assists in him' yet 'the stats don't lie', as we all know.

He's young, has plenty of time to come good yet.

 

[ManchesterManchester]

We have to save our money for debt repayments and dividends.

But seriously, why haven’t we been able to sell anyone yet? I know it’s not easy in January though so hoping to see lots of outgoings and incomings this summer.

 

[VinzentFTW]

Dont forget Diallo as well

 

[Plant0x84]

Your midfield upgrades are on back order, they’ll be here in 6 to 9 months…..

 

[L1nk]

Lingard has no goals and assists in him, that's part of the problem of his entire career here. There was a point where Adam Johnson had more assists and he'd been in prison for a few years, that's how god awful Lingard has been for us. I want midfield reinforcements to but lets not rewrite history and claim Lingard has been anything but dogshit for this club and collecting a wage he is nowhere near worth - except the odd goal here or there

 

[Ranchero]

Two reasons I can think of is that none of our first choice targets are available or that they’re saving some kitty for the new permanent manager at the end of the season.

But yeah; we really should be taking a punt on a cheaper option, if saving the kitty is the top priority, just to get some bodies in as we’re well short on quality (& numbers) in midfield.

At least go for a loan. Chelsea's Conor Gallagher is at Palace and is better than anyone we have.

 

[Ranchero]

Lingard has no goals and assists in him, that's part of the problem of his entire career here. There was a point where Adam Johnson had more assists and he'd been in prison for a few years, that's how god awful Lingard has been for us. I want midfield reinforcements to but lets not rewrite history and claim Lingard has been anything but dogshit for this club and collecting a wage he is nowhere near worth - except the old goal here or there

You don't count what he did at West Ham? I don't get it.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Lingard a better no 8 than Fred is a controversial one.

Im no lover of Fred but I would pick him before Lingard every single time.

I cant wait to see the back of Lingard. For good. He's had his chance., same with Martial, he wont be missed either.

I do wonder about incomings all the same - we could do with an injection of quality not celebrity

 

[Ranchero]

None of them are starters or regular from the bench either, so bar injuries would they be missed? It might give a youth player a chance to come in, like Elanga has as well. The other option is maybe we have a deal in place and the details are just being ironed out. Who knows?

We need a squad. We have Champions League, FA Cup and league. Elanga does not help us in the middle of the park.

 

[Ranchero]

Lingard has 'goals and assists in him' yet 'the stats don't lie', as we all know.

Yes the stats when he started for West Ham DONT lie

 

[L1nk]

You don't count what he did at West Ham? I don't get it.

Why would I? What convices you what he did there he will replicate at United. You have the 16 games at West Ham, where he scored 9 goals, yeah not bad, that's going to convince you he's better than Fred in the number 8 but that he will also do a job for us. But I would rather base what I say on 224 games for United where 90% of the time he's been dogshit, a much bigger sample size at a much bigger club. West Ham are punching well above their weight this season but West Ham is his level

 

[Ranchero]

Why would I? What convices you what he did there he will replicate at United. You have the 16 games at West Ham, where he scored 9 goals, yeah not bad, that's going to convince you he's better than Fred in the number 8 but that he will also do a job for us. But I would rather base what I say on 224 games for United where 90% of the time he's been dogshit, a much bigger sample size at a much bigger club. West Ham are punching well above their weight this season but West Ham is his level

16 games. Nine goals. Four assists. Two man of the matches. But not good enough? Fred? Wakey wakey

 

[Bilbo]

I agree that Donny leaving would have us looking a little short in midfield, but getting those three players out might actually be the only way the club would consider making a signing this month.

 

[GazTheLegend]

We have a bloated squad and wage bill @Ranchero , we need rid of more than one player before we sign anyone. You can register a maximum of 25 over 18 players that haven't trained at a club, not sure what the rules are now with Brexit. 4 must be home grown and 8 must be English (which is why so many clubs including us have English 3rd choice goalkeepers, ours happens to be home grown again in Heaton). When Martial, Lingard, Pogba and Matic leave, that frees up some space.

Suggesting Lingard should play over Fred is a misunderstanding of both players roles.

 

[L1nk]

16 games. Nine goals. Four assists. Two man of the matches. But not good enough? Fred? Wakey wakey

Wakey wakey, you just ignored the rest of my point completely? 16 games at West Ham vs 224 at United, which sample size is more trustworthy.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Yes the stats when he started for West Ham DONT lie

Neither do his stats for UNITED

 

[Josep Dowling]

Don’t see the issue with Martial leaving without an incoming player. Elanga has already replaced him.

Lingard hasn’t played and should have been sold in the summer. He doesn’t play CM so don’t know why it’s being suggested he would replace Fred? If anything he’s cover for Bruno.

Donny is an odd one for me. He clearly wants minutes which is why the loan is likely to happen but if McFred get injured we are so short in the middle of the park.

In the summer we are going to lose Lingard and Pogba. Surely we can’t renew the contracts of Matic and Mata again? Lots of players that need to be replaced in midfield at that stage. This season is already a write off and the board are acting the same way.

 

[choccy77]

We have new sponsors on the way, why do we need to sign anyone?

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

We all know that United are lacking in quality in midfield.

So why is it that we are preparing to lose three players on loan including two midfielders without a sniff on any incomings.

We played with two number 8s and one deep-lying midfielder in McT in the deserved win against West Ham.

But right now we have Martial, Lingard and Van De Beek going out the squad on loan without anyone coming in.

Quite how Lingard in particular is not seen as ahead of Fred as an 8 alongside Fernandes is beyond me. Lingard has goals and assists in him. Fred we all know, as the stats don't lie, does not.

In our weak midfield we will be left with 30something Mata and Matic whose best days are behind them and an unreliable Pogba.

Is this really seen as good enough in our battle for top 4.

Are we? Says who... United?

 

[Deery]

Because we blew the budget in the summer..

 

[MUFC OK]

Two reasons I can think of is that none of our first choice targets are available or that they’re saving some kitty for the new permanent manager at the end of the season.

But yeah; we really should be taking a punt on a cheaper option, if saving the kitty is the top priority, just to get some bodies in as we’re well short on quality (& numbers) in midfield.

Kamara is available, he would improve us as he’s a specialist DM.

The club only seems to make transfers when there is severe unrest amongst the fan base. Money recouperated/saved from outgoings will go straight to the glazers pockets.

 

[MUFC OK]

Are we? Says who... United?

Very likely one of VDB/lingard goes to be fair, maybe both.

 

[matherto]

Yes the stats when he started for West Ham DONT lie

What about the ones for us? Where he went over a year without either a goal or an assist?

 

[yamo123x]

Its a case of clear the wage bill before we can buy.

Ronaldo, Cavani, Martial, Lingard, Bailly, VDB, Pogba, Henderson,Mata, Matic...thats got to be close on 2mill a week in wages alone

 

[Edy2]

We all know that United are lacking in quality in midfield.

So why is it that we are preparing to lose three players on loan including two midfielders without a sniff on any incomings.

We played with two number 8s and one deep-lying midfielder in McT in the deserved win against West Ham.

But right now we have Martial, Lingard and Van De Beek going out the squad on loan without anyone coming in.

Quite how Lingard in particular is not seen as ahead of Fred as an 8 alongside Fernandes is beyond me. Lingard has goals and assists in him. Fred we all know, as the stats don't lie, does not.

In our weak midfield we will be left with 30something Mata and Matic whose best days are behind them and an unreliable Pogba.

Is this really seen as good enough in our battle for top 4.

Squad is bloated already so needs trimming and probably waiting for the new manager to come in and give his input on incomings. The right decision imo, there has been too much random spending in the past on players that the next manager doesn't want.

 

[sparx99]

16 games. Nine goals. Four assists. Two man of the matches. But not good enough? Fred? Wakey wakey

Lingard isn't a midfielder though, is he? He's a 2nd striker/no10 who is best suited to counter-attack football. The reason he thrived at West Ham is that he could play on the break. At Utd, we replaced Lingard with Bruno because we needed somebody able to break down packed defences. For 18 months it worked exceptionally well until Bruno had a natural dip in form.

So the choice is not Fred or Lingard. Its Lingard or Bruno/Rashford/Greenwood.

 

[UnitedSofa]

This place loves a shiny new toy.

 

[PoTMS]

We are biding our time watching and preparing.

 

[DOTA]

I am increasingly worrying the view is that we don't want to make signings whilst we have a temp manager, which would fair enough applied to major signings, but the thing we most urgently need is just an inexpensive option for DM. Like whoever a club the size of Southampton or Brighton would buy, 15-20m and 60k a week sorta thing, would be pretty likely to improve us.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

I am increasingly worrying the view is that we don't want to make signings whilst we have a temp manager, which would fair enough applied to major signings, but the thing we most urgently need is just an inexpensive option for DM. Like whoever a club the size of Southampton or Brighton would buy, 15-20m and 60k a week sorta thing, would be pretty likely to improve us.

What is the point of having a DOF if the manager is again going to be doing the signings. This is how we ended up with Harry and AWB.

 

[JuriM]

We don't need to buy, just of the sake of buying. We need to set a standard of future football route first and then all quality on those areas of the pitch we are lacking - on paper we have a lot midfielders, just we don't know whether and how many of them will be rated by the new manager and what type of football he wants to play with them - so I doubt if we spend big on someone before.

 

[Ixion]

Ole put together a squad good enough to win the league so we don't need to sign anyone. Right?