Who is the best Asian footballer of all time?

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Son has the highest top level performance. Consistent in the PL and won games single-handedly for Spurs in the CL. He would go down as the best Asian footballer if he played for Bayern or Liverpool. He would easily fit their style and I think he is on the same level as Mane and a better player than Coman.

Nakata was very influential in ushering future generations of Asians into Europe but I don't think he was that great a player. He was highly marketed by the Japanese and immensely popular. The hype surrounding him was also boosted by Japan being the host country for WC2002. I remember in the early 00s he was frequently brought up in conversations alongside the likes of Zidane, Figo, Beckham. He was nowhere near that level. He was a bit part player that was sold for record fee. Personally, I think Roma completely fleeced Parma in that deal.
 
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Park and Honda for me so far. Son could change that as he is undoubtedly a fantastic player, may need to move first though.
 

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Nakata JSP and Son

But those are the 3 I’ve seen most of so slightly unfair.

3 great players though. 1 utter cnut though.
 

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Based on pure footballing ability, it would have to be Son. He may be a dick, but he is a great player. He has scored at least 18 goals in his last five seasons for Spurs, playing almost entirely in a wide position. A couple of seasons ago, I would have loved to have him here.

If we take trophies into account, it is of course Park.
 

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Son has the highest top level performance. Consistent in the PL and won games single-handedly for Spurs in the CL. He would go down as the best Asian footballer if he played for Bayern or Liverpool. He would easily fit their style and I think he is on the same level as Mane and a better player than Coman.

Nakata was very influential in ushering future generations of Asians into Europe but I don't think he was that great a player. He was highly marketed by the Japanese and immensely popular. The hype surrounding him was also boosted by Japan being the host country for WC2002. I remember in the early 00s he was frequently brought up in conversations alongside the likes of Zidane, Figo, Beckham. He was nowhere near that level. He was a bit part player that was sold for record fee. Personally, I think Roma completely fleeced Parma in that deal.
This.
Nakata was a talent but, fundamentally, he was the perfect poster boy . A marketers dream to some extent. ( trivial,I believe he's a model now ? )
His best form was for Perugia though. He was in and out of the side far to regularly for Capello's AS Roma. granted the competition was far greater.

I would have Park, Nakamura and Son way ahead of Nakata.
 

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Cha Boom and Son are broadly on par for me. Hard to rate Myung-Bo because he was such a unique player, but he always looked impressive at World Cups.
 

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This.
Nakata was a talent but, fundamentally, he was the perfect poster boy . A marketers dream to some extent. ( trivial,I believe he's a model now ? )
His best form was for Perugia though. He was in and out of the side far to regularly for Capello's AS Roma. granted the competition was far greater.

I would have Park, Nakamura and Son way ahead of Nakata.
He was essentially the Japanese Beckham minus the ability.

I am also geniunely puzzled by mentions of Honda. Apart from great free kicks, what has he ever done at world football level? Bizarre!
 

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I honestly think it's Son (from the players I've actually watched). Forgetting all the current drama and the fact that he plays for perennial underachievers, Son is a brilliant player
 

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Was Hidetoshi Nakata actually any good? I only remember watching him in the Nike Scorpian adverts and thought he must be elite. Certainly had the superstar look about him.
 

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Son is probably the most technical player among the rest and probably most talented one. But Park‘s contributions make him underrated. His contribution with clubs (PSV & Man United) and countries are way above Son. Park has played 3 world cups while Son only played 2 world cups and Park is the only South Korean players who have scored in every world cups he has played (could also be the only Asian players). And South Korea always do shit ever since Park retired, this reflects Park has better character and is more a leader than Son.

There is also a South Korean player named Cha Bum-kun, scoring lot of goals in bundes liga. I have to say three most decorated Asian players are from South Korea.
 

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Son is probably the most technical player among the rest and probably most talented one. But Park‘s contributions make him underrated. His contribution with clubs (PSV & Man United) and countries are way above Son. Park has played 3 world cups while Son only played 2 world cups and Park is the only South Korean players who have scored in every world cups he has played (could also be the only Asian players). And South Korea always do shit ever since Park retired, this reflects Park has better character and is more a leader than Son.

There is also a South Korean player named Cha Bum-kun, scoring lot of goals in bundes liga. I have to say three most decorated Asian players are from South Korea.
 

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Yasuhito Endo is probably the best Japanese player, just larger unknown as he never played in Europe.

He had/has a similar game to Scholes.

Fergie bigged up Endo a couple of times I recall. Mentioned his passing ability
 

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Funnily, AFC is harder for them to qualify since previously they were competing against the like of New Zealand and Papua New Guinea for qualification.
Nah, they still had to compete an extra playoff against the South Americans for that last spot which was why they moved to the AFC. Oceania doesn't have a confirmed spot even for their winners.
 

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That Son is not "decorated" at all, having won nothing.
Won nothing with club is not how you judge players being decorated or no. His individual achievements already exceeded other players apart from Cha & Park.
 

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Funnily, AFC is harder for them to qualify since previously they were competing against the like of New Zealand and Papua New Guinea for qualification.
True but they normally had to play the 5th placed South American side to get the final place and that was always difficult.
I do recall the game against Iran when El Tel was in charge and that was disastrous.
 

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Fergie bigged up Endo a couple of times I recall. Mentioned his passing ability
Wasn't aware of that. excellent passer, long and short, press resistant, work rate, long shots, free kicks.

His characters also humble like Scholes.
 

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Cha was an absolute world class striker in the 80s who won the UEFA Cup with both Frankfurt and Leverkusen. You can only imagine the kind of hype he'd be getting if he was playing today.

A German poet and satirist, and Eintracht fan, even wrote a famous poem, a lengthy, gorgeous, hilarious ode, to Bum-kun Cha, back then which I will post in the spoiler for the delectation of any German speakers.
Ode an Bum Kun Cha


Schön ist, Mutter Natur, deiner Erfindung Pracht,
Die den großen Gedanken vermochte, den
Knaben zu träumen, zu denken - und dann auch zu
Bilden mit den schnellen, beseelten, jauchzenden
Füßen des Jünglings: Flink, flitzend,
Flirrend und flackernd - nicht lange fackelnd,
Doch feuernd und feiernd; den fühlenden Herzen
Frankfurts zur Freude.
Bum Kun Cha! Freund aus dem Osten! Fremdling bist
Du nicht länger - nicht bitt'res Los ist Exil
Dir! Heimat, die zweite, du fandst sie.


Wunderbar ist die Gunst denn des Gottes des
Fußballs. Zwar niemand weiß, wann und von wannen
Er schenket nach Puskas und Pele und Kempes den
Neuen Erwählten - nie doch und nimmer vergißt
Er sein hoffendes Volk. Über Indien hinaus
Und den Ganges spähet sein
Forschender Blick, ins ferneste Land, da
Seit Alters Männersmut blühet und hoher Sinn.
Tapf'res Korea! Du schenktest uns Cha!


Festlicher klinge mein Saitenspiel! Denn lang
Lieb ich dich, Cha, schon drei Monde -
Drei Monde schon fällt dein verjüngendes
Licht auf die scheinbar gealterte Eintracht. Wir
Sahen dich erstmals, Lieblicher, gegen Stuttgart,
- und das Herz war bezaubert, verwundert bald
Gar. Ach! Wie du da Förster, den Holzer,
Versetztest und Martin, den Rammler, so daß selbst
Sie dein Lob dann sangen - wie du dich
Schlängeltest durch die Abwehr - um endlich,
Endlich, kurz nach der Halbzeit, hoch in die
Lüfte dich reckend, die Flanke von Borchers
Nahmst mit der Stirn, der klugen, das
Leder versenktest du im rechtesten Toreck - es war
Wie ein Herzkrampf, ein schöner, in Freude und
Ahnendem Jubel in eins.


Am Abendhimmel blühte ein Frühling auf, und
Sein Name war Cha. Die Eintracht aber, jahrelang
Von Klippe
Zu Klippe
Geworfen, glühte mit dir, o mein Trauter, zu
Neuschönem Glanze. Aus dem Schlaf des
Dornröschens erwachte die alte, die beinah
Vergeß'ne Primadonna sehr rasch. Vergessen das Alter
Grabowskis, vergessen der Streit mit dem Trainer.
O neues, heilig' Herz der Mannschaft! Uns zur
Erhabenen Lust stürmst du, Schönster, so viel ich
Sah, seither, wie der Vogel des Waldes über die
Wipfel fliegt, schwingst du, Zierer, leichter und
Mühlos und sonder Gewalt dem Tore dich zu, dem
Beschützten - Östling unter Deutschen,
Und ihnen dennoch verwandt in der Seele,
Nah auch in Tordrang und Technik und
Teilung des Raumes in all seiner
Tiefe...


Kenntnisreicher Künstler am schwarzweißen Balle!
Der Mann aus Korea allein hat die Präzision deines
Abspiels. Trocken schlägst du die Pässe, den
Kurzpaß sowie auch den raumgreifensten Vetter, den
Steilpaß. Nicht fremd ist dir der
Fallrückzieher, wir sahens's. Du zeigtest, daß
Auch in Asia, dem fernen, bekannst ist der Trick
Mit dem kunstreichen Haken - doch mehr noch
Erstaunen den Gegner die nicht-orthodoxen, die
Tricks, die im Lande noch unbekannt. Freilich,
Nie ähneln sie jedoch der Tücke des Panthers,
nie schielet Verschlagenheit Asiens durch -

Fair Play ist Bum Kun Chas Religion!


Ach, abermals weiden die Augen auf dir! Hurtig
Treibst du das Leder nach links, kühner umkurvst
Du den grätschenden Stopper, zaubernden Fußes
Entläßt du den Lib'ro in Scham. Leichthin,
Euphorion erinnernd, vergleichbar auch durchaus
Der zarten Gazelle, dribbelst du torwärts und
Spannst doch den Fußballnerv alljetzt schon zur Bombe -
Denn kaum hinkt die Macht deines Schußes der
Pracht nach Bernd Nickels, genannt >Dr. Hammer<
Dem du, so liest man. längst Brücken der
Freundschaft gebaut hast, auch menschlich...
Herzschöner Mann! Flutlichtumschwärmt auf den
Flügeln der Flanke, jetzt plötzlich der rechten,
Füllhorn der Technik, Fülle des Seins!
Samtschwarzen Seraphkopfs sehr schönen Scheins!
Seht nur den Doppepass jetzt mit Nachtweih und
>Holz<! Tripelpaß ewiger Klarheit.

Genius des Ostens! Sel'ges Korea!


Ein Flankengott jener Abramczik? Da lachen die
Götter des alten Olymp! Sie lachen Schorsch
Volkerts und
Lächeln objenem, der, unrhythmisch seltsam,
Rummenigge sich nennt! Wer kennt Okudera? Cha
Aber - ob er nun >Cha Bum Kun< heißt, so wie die
>Frankfurter Rundschau< es will; oder doch
>Bum Kun Cha<, wie die FAZ ihn besingt; oder
>Tscha Bum<, wie >Bild< ihn begrüßte - dich,
Cha, kennt Deutschland, kennt Asien, die Welt so
und so - -

Ew'ges Korea!


Im Winde klirret die Fahne zum Eckstoß. Gefahr-
stufe
Eins. Anläuft Cha Bum, herrlich die Flank' in die
Fluten der Zeit! Schon steht Cha Bum wieder nah
Dem Elfmeter, lauert des Zuspiels, hilft
Hinten aus. Schneisen schlägt er in Spielfeldmitte,
Schleusen öffnet sein schneller Fuß: Sammelnd der
Gegenwart hohes Vergang'nes, einend die Künste
Grabowskis mit denen des Pfaff, Kressens gedenkend
Und eingedenk Sztanis. Fußball berückend - und
Rührend selbst Toni, den treuedlen Zeugwart, der
Dir, Cha, im Air-Bus von Braunschweig nach
Frankfurt die Wange gar küßte; so stand's in der
>Rundschau<...
Geh' unter HSV! Trunken dämmert die
Seele selbst dir (3:2)!


Ja, in den Ozean all deiner Tricks will ich mich
Stürzen, Bum, sturztrunken einfallen laut in die
Chöre des Jubels, Sohn einer fußballträumenden
Mutter. Anbeten will ich - gleich dir, der du
Betest vor Spielbeginn und auch während des
Kampfs ständig vertieft bist im Gebet<, wie
Wieder die Rundschau< weiß. Anbeten will ich,
Singen mein Lob all mein Lebtag und
Endlich, wenn's gut geht, warte nur balde,
Berückt in Verzückung unendlicher Schöne ver-
geh'n - - -


Nur, Bum, daß du, folgt man einem Bericht in
der FAZ, nach deiner Aktiven-Laufbahn Deutsche
Predigend zu Gott bekehren willst, das, Bum,
Muß ja wohl nicht sein.

https://www.weltexpresso.de/index.php/heimspiel/2787-ode-an-bum-kun-cha
 

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Yes it is, in my opinion.

Individual awards that are decided by your FA or a few journalists are basically a subjective popularity contest.
That’s why it’s called most decorated player because the point of the contest is based on player’s popularity, the player is being acknowledged by the worlds involved media’s, journalists, other players, ex footballers, pundits, fans and coaches. Son not winning trophies with club has nothing to do with being decorated or no, you can’t insert team achievement that depends on multiple individuals into individual’s discussion. Make zero sense.
 

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Cha was an absolute world class striker in the 80s who won the UEFA Cup with both Frankfurt and Leverkusen. You can only imagine the kind of hype he'd be getting if he was playing today.

A German poet and satirist, and Eintracht fan, even wrote a famous poem, a lengthy, gorgeous, hilarious ode, to Bum-kun Cha, back then which I will post in the spoiler for the delectation of any German speakers.
Ode an Bum Kun Cha


Schön ist, Mutter Natur, deiner Erfindung Pracht,
Die den großen Gedanken vermochte, den
Knaben zu träumen, zu denken - und dann auch zu
Bilden mit den schnellen, beseelten, jauchzenden
Füßen des Jünglings: Flink, flitzend,
Flirrend und flackernd - nicht lange fackelnd,
Doch feuernd und feiernd; den fühlenden Herzen
Frankfurts zur Freude.
Bum Kun Cha! Freund aus dem Osten! Fremdling bist
Du nicht länger - nicht bitt'res Los ist Exil
Dir! Heimat, die zweite, du fandst sie.


Wunderbar ist die Gunst denn des Gottes des
Fußballs. Zwar niemand weiß, wann und von wannen
Er schenket nach Puskas und Pele und Kempes den
Neuen Erwählten - nie doch und nimmer vergißt
Er sein hoffendes Volk. Über Indien hinaus
Und den Ganges spähet sein
Forschender Blick, ins ferneste Land, da
Seit Alters Männersmut blühet und hoher Sinn.
Tapf'res Korea! Du schenktest uns Cha!


Festlicher klinge mein Saitenspiel! Denn lang
Lieb ich dich, Cha, schon drei Monde -
Drei Monde schon fällt dein verjüngendes
Licht auf die scheinbar gealterte Eintracht. Wir
Sahen dich erstmals, Lieblicher, gegen Stuttgart,
- und das Herz war bezaubert, verwundert bald
Gar. Ach! Wie du da Förster, den Holzer,
Versetztest und Martin, den Rammler, so daß selbst
Sie dein Lob dann sangen - wie du dich
Schlängeltest durch die Abwehr - um endlich,
Endlich, kurz nach der Halbzeit, hoch in die
Lüfte dich reckend, die Flanke von Borchers
Nahmst mit der Stirn, der klugen, das
Leder versenktest du im rechtesten Toreck - es war
Wie ein Herzkrampf, ein schöner, in Freude und
Ahnendem Jubel in eins.


Am Abendhimmel blühte ein Frühling auf, und
Sein Name war Cha. Die Eintracht aber, jahrelang
Von Klippe
Zu Klippe
Geworfen, glühte mit dir, o mein Trauter, zu
Neuschönem Glanze. Aus dem Schlaf des
Dornröschens erwachte die alte, die beinah
Vergeß'ne Primadonna sehr rasch. Vergessen das Alter
Grabowskis, vergessen der Streit mit dem Trainer.
O neues, heilig' Herz der Mannschaft! Uns zur
Erhabenen Lust stürmst du, Schönster, so viel ich
Sah, seither, wie der Vogel des Waldes über die
Wipfel fliegt, schwingst du, Zierer, leichter und
Mühlos und sonder Gewalt dem Tore dich zu, dem
Beschützten - Östling unter Deutschen,
Und ihnen dennoch verwandt in der Seele,
Nah auch in Tordrang und Technik und
Teilung des Raumes in all seiner
Tiefe...


Kenntnisreicher Künstler am schwarzweißen Balle!
Der Mann aus Korea allein hat die Präzision deines
Abspiels. Trocken schlägst du die Pässe, den
Kurzpaß sowie auch den raumgreifensten Vetter, den
Steilpaß. Nicht fremd ist dir der
Fallrückzieher, wir sahens's. Du zeigtest, daß
Auch in Asia, dem fernen, bekannst ist der Trick
Mit dem kunstreichen Haken - doch mehr noch
Erstaunen den Gegner die nicht-orthodoxen, die
Tricks, die im Lande noch unbekannt. Freilich,
Nie ähneln sie jedoch der Tücke des Panthers,
nie schielet Verschlagenheit Asiens durch -

Fair Play ist Bum Kun Chas Religion!


Ach, abermals weiden die Augen auf dir! Hurtig
Treibst du das Leder nach links, kühner umkurvst
Du den grätschenden Stopper, zaubernden Fußes
Entläßt du den Lib'ro in Scham. Leichthin,
Euphorion erinnernd, vergleichbar auch durchaus
Der zarten Gazelle, dribbelst du torwärts und
Spannst doch den Fußballnerv alljetzt schon zur Bombe -
Denn kaum hinkt die Macht deines Schußes der
Pracht nach Bernd Nickels, genannt >Dr. Hammer<
Dem du, so liest man. längst Brücken der
Freundschaft gebaut hast, auch menschlich...
Herzschöner Mann! Flutlichtumschwärmt auf den
Flügeln der Flanke, jetzt plötzlich der rechten,
Füllhorn der Technik, Fülle des Seins!
Samtschwarzen Seraphkopfs sehr schönen Scheins!
Seht nur den Doppepass jetzt mit Nachtweih und
>Holz<! Tripelpaß ewiger Klarheit.

Genius des Ostens! Sel'ges Korea!


Ein Flankengott jener Abramczik? Da lachen die
Götter des alten Olymp! Sie lachen Schorsch
Volkerts und
Lächeln objenem, der, unrhythmisch seltsam,
Rummenigge sich nennt! Wer kennt Okudera? Cha
Aber - ob er nun >Cha Bum Kun< heißt, so wie die
>Frankfurter Rundschau< es will; oder doch
>Bum Kun Cha<, wie die FAZ ihn besingt; oder
>Tscha Bum<, wie >Bild< ihn begrüßte - dich,
Cha, kennt Deutschland, kennt Asien, die Welt so
und so - -

Ew'ges Korea!


Im Winde klirret die Fahne zum Eckstoß. Gefahr-
stufe
Eins. Anläuft Cha Bum, herrlich die Flank' in die
Fluten der Zeit! Schon steht Cha Bum wieder nah
Dem Elfmeter, lauert des Zuspiels, hilft
Hinten aus. Schneisen schlägt er in Spielfeldmitte,
Schleusen öffnet sein schneller Fuß: Sammelnd der
Gegenwart hohes Vergang'nes, einend die Künste
Grabowskis mit denen des Pfaff, Kressens gedenkend
Und eingedenk Sztanis. Fußball berückend - und
Rührend selbst Toni, den treuedlen Zeugwart, der
Dir, Cha, im Air-Bus von Braunschweig nach
Frankfurt die Wange gar küßte; so stand's in der
>Rundschau<...
Geh' unter HSV! Trunken dämmert die
Seele selbst dir (3:2)!


Ja, in den Ozean all deiner Tricks will ich mich
Stürzen, Bum, sturztrunken einfallen laut in die
Chöre des Jubels, Sohn einer fußballträumenden
Mutter. Anbeten will ich - gleich dir, der du
Betest vor Spielbeginn und auch während des
Kampfs ständig vertieft bist im Gebet<, wie
Wieder die Rundschau< weiß. Anbeten will ich,
Singen mein Lob all mein Lebtag und
Endlich, wenn's gut geht, warte nur balde,
Berückt in Verzückung unendlicher Schöne ver-
geh'n - - -


Nur, Bum, daß du, folgt man einem Bericht in
der FAZ, nach deiner Aktiven-Laufbahn Deutsche
Predigend zu Gott bekehren willst, das, Bum,
Muß ja wohl nicht sein.

https://www.weltexpresso.de/index.php/heimspiel/2787-ode-an-bum-kun-cha
Had a look on youtube, wondered if the video speed was increased, too fast. Looked a good player, did he play with Voller?
 

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That’s why it’s called most decorated player because the point is the player is being acknowledged by the worlds involved media’s, journalists, other players, ex footballers, pundits, fans and coaches. Son not winning trophies with club has nothing to do with being decorated or no, you can’t insert team achievement into individual discussion. Make zero sense.
He's won feck all.

Lots of people (including me) think he's a great player but he's still won feck all. Me giving him a "duffer's player of the week" ribbon doesn't change that.

If he's "decorated", it's with meaningless bullshit.

He's still the best Asian player ever, he just happens to play for the wrong team when it comes to winning things.
 

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Had a look on youtube, wondered if the video speed was increased, too fast. Looked a good player, did he play with Voller?
I think Völler was at Bremen at that time, he only joined Leverkusen later. Yes, Cha was an absolute rocket.
 

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He's won feck all.

Lots of people (including me) think he's a great player but he's still won feck all. Me giving him a "duffer's player of the week" ribbon doesn't change that.
You need to counter my argument about why team achievement is relevant to individual discussion. You explained feck all about that so far.
 

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That’s why it’s called most decorated player because the point of the contest is based on player’s popularity, the player is being acknowledged by the worlds involved media’s, journalists, other players, ex footballers, pundits, fans and coaches. Son not winning trophies with club has nothing to do with being decorated or no, you can’t insert team achievement that depends on multiple individuals into individual’s discussion. Make zero sense.
Then what's the point of including Park into this conversation? Dude didn't even a win a single PL player of month award. :lol:
 

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Then what's the point of including Park into this conversation? Dude didn't even a win a single PL player of month award. :lol:
Because I was making a point about Park’s character as footballer and character involves his individual ability as well. Read before jumped into conclusion.

Son is probably the most technical player among the rest and probably most talented one. But Park‘s contributions make him underrated. His contribution with clubs (PSV & Man United) and countries are way above Son. Park has played 3 world cups while Son only played 2 world cups and Park is the only South Korean players who have scored in every world cups he has played (could also be the only Asian players). And South Korea always do shit ever since Park retired, this reflects Park has better character and is more a leader than Son.
 

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I'm talking about your use of the term "decorated" for someone who has won nothing, nothing else.
Clearly you're forgetting the Putting Pressure On The Title Winners Trophy which Spurs won at least once
 

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I'm talking about your use of the term "decorated" for someone who has won nothing, nothing else.
Decorated is about individual discussion not a team. So why team’s achievement is relevant to individual discussion?
 

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Because I was making a point about Park’s character as footballer and character involves his individual ability as well. Read before jumped into conclusion.
This was your initial post.

There is also a South Korean player named Cha Bum-kun, scoring lot of goals in bundes liga. I have to say three most decorated Asian players are from South Korea.
And your definition of "decorated" is:

That’s why it’s called most decorated player because the point of the contest is based on player’s popularity, the player is being acknowledged by the worlds involved media’s, journalists, other players, ex footballers, pundits, fans and coaches.
Following your definition of "decorated", Park shouldn't even be one because he hardly won any individual awards.

I can tell English is definitely not your first language. Its just the wrong word usage here. Decorated is a word used for a player who has won trophies for example someone like Giggs is decorated because of the 13x PL trophies. Nobody is going to talk about how many times he won Writers' association Player of the Year.
 

AkaAkuma

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I'm talking about your use of the term "decorated" for someone who has won nothing, nothing else.
To be far Sons won spurs player of the year and asian player of the year consecutively.
 

OmarUnited4ever

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Ali Karimi comes to mind, that guy was extremely skillful, but he was journey man for most of his career.