Who should be the right 10?

jamesjimmybyrondean

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With the Cunha deal advancing and the club prioritizing a striker signing as well, it seems we should be expecting fresh faces in the left 10 and striker positions next season. Which leaves the right 10 role.

Do we want a new signing there? Who, if so

Or do we play Bruno there and sign a midfielder?

Or play Amad there and sign a wingback?
 
jamesjimmybyrondean said:
With the Cunha deal advancing and the club prioritizing a striker signing as well, it seems we should be expecting fresh faces in the left 10 and striker positions next season. Which leaves the right 10 role.

Do we want a new signing there? Who, if so

Or do we play Bruno there and sign a midfielder?

Or play Amad there and sign a wingback?
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Mount, Amad, Bruno, Garna.

We have more pending issues at CF and CM.

For what it’s worth, I think fans need to get used to Dalot being first choice wingback, the manager seems delighted with him.
 
jamesjimmybyrondean said:
With the Cunha deal advancing and the club prioritizing a striker signing as well, it seems we should be expecting fresh faces in the left 10 and striker positions next season. Which leaves the right 10 role.

Do we want a new signing there? Who, if so

Or do we play Bruno there and sign a midfielder?

Or play Amad there and sign a wingback?
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Bruno can start there but we need another left footed #10.

- I am not yet convinced that Mount can keep his fitness up for a majority of a season and frankly I am not sure if he has the attacking output.

- Zirkzee - not convinced his output is prolific enough.

- Mainoo - we have experimented but too early to say that he can work in the #10. In any event, I see him more as a backup on the left 10 position.

Amad can be used as RWB.

That makes it 1 striker, 2 #10, 1 CM, 1 GK. That’s five players. If we had the opportunity to sign a 6th player, I would sign another CM.
 
I'm totally convinced that Mount will never, ever be the same player he was at Chelsea for us, not that he was amazing by any stretch of the imagination.

We have to try to find a buyer for him.
 
FrankDrebin said:
I'm totally convinced that Mount will never, ever be the same player he was at Chelsea for us, not that he was amazing by any stretch of the imagination.

We have to try to find a buyer for him.
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I don’t think he’ll reach the same level again. I will however disagree. His 21/22 season was brilliant and he had two good seasons prior to that.

Injuries have held him back, he’s a very intelligent and good footballer but I don’t think he can cope with the intensity with two games a week every week.
 
Play Amad there and sign a wing back. We can't score but with Cunha, CF (Delap?) and Amad we will look completely different there.
 
Amad is not that great at RAM.

I don't say that as a fan that wants the next new shiny toy at RAM but Amad isn't as imposing over 90 minutes at RAM as he is playing as a wingback.

That's not saying that his best position under our future managers is going to be as a wingback - but because in Amorim's system playing Amad as a RWB gives us an advantage.

This is because Amad isnt actually a wingback, but a winger playing in a wingback's position - so in theory the opposition have to play against 2 wingers on the same side - maybe at max even 4 wingers on the pitch at once with 2 on either side.

Now our next signing is either Dibling to play as the RWB so Amad can play as the RAM.

Or we go for Cherki or that Masta guy and move Amad back to RWB.

It really depends our level of attraction - would Cherki & Masta actually want to join us or is Dibling more likely to?

It's the same with players like Osimhen & Gyokeres - do they want to join United in the state we are in or do we have to target more project players like Dibling & Delap.
 
Cherki would've been my choice but I can't see it happening now we're going all in on Cunha. Amad will probably get this position and we'll either sign a functional player for RWB or keep Dalot playing there. I don't think it'll be a particularly exciting summer
 
I think Amad and Cunha if Cunha comes in then let Bruno play alongside Ugarte in midfield so he has the game in front of him to dictate and roam forward, if the wing backs push high to provide width then Bruno pushing forward from deep to also join the front three will give us a front six when attacking rather than the isolated front three we currently get.

Also Bruno doesn’t have the pace or dribbling ability that Amad and Cunha have if we’re on the break so having Bruno as our roaming orchestrator gives him a platform to really dominate a game and pass the ball around the pitch in plenty of space, Amad and Cunha are far better in tight spaces and can dribble or use pace to get out of those spaces.

Longer term we’ve also got Shea Lacey and Jack Fletcher as a left footed right sided 10 and maybe even Mantato although he looks a bit like how Amad is as a wing back at the moment, I just think Bruno is wasted as a 10 unless it’s as the sole central 10 in a 4-2-3-1 as he needs space to really play his game to the best of his ability.
 
Quagmaguire said:
Amad is not that great at RAM.

I don't say that as a fan that wants the next new shiny toy at RAM but Amad isn't as imposing over 90 minutes at RAM as he is playing as a wingback.

That's not saying that his best position under our future managers is going to be as a wingback - but because in Amorim's system playing Amad as a RWB gives us an advantage.

This is because Amad isnt actually a wingback, but a winger playing in a wingback's position - so in theory the opposition have to play against 2 wingers on the same side - maybe at max even 4 wingers on the pitch at once with 2 on either side.

Now our next signing is either Dibling to play as the RWB so Amad can play as the RAM.

Or we go for Cherki or that Masta guy and move Amad back to RWB.

It really depends our level of attraction - would Cherki & Masta actually want to join us or is Dibling more likely to?

It's the same with players like Osimhen & Gyokeres - do they want to join United in the state we are in or do we have to target more project players like Dibling & Delap.
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Amad was probably a bit better at RWB than he was at #10 this season, but as you touched on that may have been just due to the wingback behind him not providing enough. It meant the opposition could really focus on Amad and he was having to do too much all by himself. The few times we subbed Antony on at RWB they instantly started linking up well and Amad was able to have a stronger influence on the match. There's a fair chance that if we got a more attacking RWB it would enable Amad to shine at #10 more than he did this season (where he was still clearly our best option anyway).

It'll be interesting to see which way Amorim goes. Buy a more attacking RWB who can link up with Amad at #10, or play Amad at RWB and and either buy another #10 or rely on one of our current options to step up in that role? I don't have a strong opinion either way, although I lean towards Amad at #10 with a attacking wingback behind being slightly stronger overall. Either way I still expect Amad will get a decent amount of games in both roles rather than being locked only into one.

It may also depend on whether we win Europa and who we manage to sell, as if we don't have much to spend perhaps we won't sign anybody for either role. Just make do in those positions like we did this season, with Amad and Dalot alternating at RWB and Amad, Bruno and the others alternating at #10.
 
Amad's best position in this system is out wide as a WB.

Bruno is never a CM for me. He's a #10. He would take up the right AM role.

We need a playmaker in CM. To replace Eriksen.
 
Amad is better out wide in space where he can either get to the byline or cut inside and create or score. RWB also means we have a more attacking XI than if we have the alternative (Dalot).

I’d rather see:

Onana
De Ligt Maguire Yoro
Amad Bruno Ugarte Dorgu
Zirkzee Cunha
Delap
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It gives pace out wide where it’s needed a solid enough centre with Bruno able to play forward to Cunha and Zirkzee who work better as link players. Also means Delap can stay central and pressure the back line.
 
Amad has been underwhelming in the number 10 position this season, with his best performances mostly coming from the RWB role. While strengthening other areas of the pitch is likely a higher priority, improving this position remains a notable need, though perhaps not an immediate concern for next season.
 
Play Bruno there, Amad looked much more dangerous as a RWB and can be the one to push the furthest up the pitch with the LWB being a bit more defensive.

I’d go with this if at all possible.

GK (?)
Yoro Branthwaite/Hujisen Heavan
Amad Wharton Ugarte Dorgu
Bruno Cunha
CF (?)
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Bench
De Ligt
Martinez
Dalot
Mount
Mainoo
Garnancho
Zirzkee
Hojlund

If we get Cunha then the next biggest issue is CF, I had high hopes for Hojlund but he’s going backwards and we need a ready made goal scorer.

I’d be willing to keep Onana for another year due to money constraints, but the finance guys need to pull their fingers out and make some available for the summer.
 
I'm content with Cunha, Garnacho, Amad, Bruno and Mount with our options at 10 next season.

For further improvements in our attack we need a complete overhaul of our striking options, Hojlund and Zirkzee should go and 2 new strikers brought in.

Add to that a wing back with genuine attacking quality.

Then you'll see some improvements in attacking play.
 
Cunha and Amad as the 10s, Bruno and Ugarte as the CMs and Dalot at RWB (for now).
 
Dominos said:
I'm content with Cunha, Garnacho, Amad, Bruno and Mount with our options at 10 next season.

For further improvements in our attack we need a complete overhaul of our striking options, Hojlund and Zirkzee should go and 2 new strikers brought in.

Add to that a wing back with genuine attacking quality.

Then you'll see some improvements in attacking play.
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Mount can go and we go get a left footed R10/SS Whose always fit;, always play and upgrades our front three preferably in this order Brian Mbeumo, Rayan Cherki, Fransico Trincao.

I like Amad at RWB for some games and if we got Delap, Cunha and Mbeumo both Cunha and B Mbeumo can easily play as a 9 as well. We should try and get J Frimpong at RWB we need elite pace and width to push teams back.
 
Amad as a 10 please - get him close to goal and get a RWB who can genuinely provide width. I actually think Dalot's understanding of the position has improved in the past few weeks, but we can do better
 
I think we have to make do with the options available and we will see certain players like bruno, amad being used in different positions.

Cunha, ST, MD and maybe one more signing would be what I would expect our summer to look like.
We would then have to decide whether to stick with and find a long term role for Zirkzee, Mount, Mainoo, Garnacho before considering who partners Cunha.
 
Frimpong behind Amad to provide the width and overlap if necessary.

If not Kubo / Dibling with Amad wide.
 
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Amad at RAM, Dibling at RWB.

I'd like Cherki but he lacks the engine Amorim probably wants
 
1st Option: Get Cherki and have Amad playing RWB. The link up play between them would be beautiful to watch.

2nd Option: Amad at RAM and get a new attacking RWB.
 
Ultimately it depends on where Amorim intends to play Bruno and Amad. We'll go into the season expecting both to be in our strongest 11, so between the three positions they can play (#10 and CM for Bruno, #10 and RWB for Amad) there will be one spot up for grabs.

#10 - Amad
CM - Bruno
RWB - New guy

#10 - Bruno
CM - New guy
RWB - Amad

#10 - New guy
CM - Bruno
RWB - Amad

Obviously there will be some rotation and I'd expect both Bruno and Amad to play both positions a decent amount, but I do hope we buy another player who is clearly intended as first choice in one of those three roles. Along with hopefully a new striker and left #10 (Delap and Cunha?), it'd let us go into the season with a lot of positions more settled. Obviously things will change due to form and fitness, but at least we'd have a starting point.
 
Do people really think Mount can contribute as part of the front 3? IMO a player with no pace or dynamism will only compound our inability to score goals. You could say the same about Bruno but at least he compensates with high levels of end product.
 
OL29 said:
Do people really think Mount can contribute as part of the front 3? IMO a player with no pace or dynamism will only compound our inability to score goals. You could say the same about Bruno but at least he compensates with high levels of end product.
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As a squad player sure! He's a good player when fit and played a big part in a CL winning team in that role
 
bosnian_red said:
As a squad player sure! He's a good player when fit and played a big part in a CL winning team in that role
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I don't know, I just think he would make us even more blunt. He was good in that CL run but that was a long time ago and he's physically deteriorated since then. Maybe he just needs to get some match sharpness back but I'd argue that him getting any significant time in the attack will see us look even worse going forward.
 
Xeque_279 said:
1st Option: Get Cherki and have Amad playing RWB. The link up play between them would be beautiful to watch.

2nd Option: Amad at RAM and get a new attacking RWB.
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This is my thinking too.

Either we go for Cherki this summer and persist with Amad and Dalot at RWB until next year.

Or we get a new RWB now (eg. Frimpong or Luis Henrique at Marseille) and invest in the RAM slot next year (maybe Mastantuono?).

I think I marginally prefer option 2 provided we get a high quality RWB in, but if it’s another Dorgu type gamble/project then definitely option 1.
 
daba said:
This is my thinking too.

Either we go for Cherki this summer and persist with Amad and Dalot at RWB until next year.

Or we get a new RWB now (eg. Frimpong or Luis Henrique at Marseille) and invest in the RAM slot next year (maybe Mastantuono?).

I think I marginally prefer option 2 provided we get a high quality RWB in, but if it’s another Dorgu type gamble/project then definitely option 1.
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Problem is I don't think we would get a capable RWB for the price that we can get Cherki for.
 
OL29 said:
I don't know, I just think he would make us even more blunt. He was good in that CL run but that was a long time ago and he's physically deteriorated since then. Maybe he just needs to get some match sharpness back but I'd argue that him getting any significant time in the attack will see us look even worse going forward.
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What level of player do people expect to be squad players at a club like what United has been in the past 5 years?
 
bosnian_red said:
As a squad player sure! He's a good player when fit and played a big part in a CL winning team in that role
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How long and often do we need to mention that he is a CL winner, as if that matters anything to us?

Chilwell, Mendy, Werner also started in that final as key players and are below average and useless.
 
Xeque_279 said:
Problem is I don't think we would get a capable RWB for the price that we can get Cherki for.
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Frimpong does only cost ~8m more than him. He would be a massive upgrade on Dalot, whereas Cherki would be a great addition too, but we'd have a bit of a luxury problem with Amad (prefer him more offensively)
 
AjaxCunian said:
How long and often do we need to mention that he is a CL winner, as if that matters anything to us?

Chilwell, Mendy, Werner also started in that final as key players and are below average and useless.
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He's not a starter, so we shouldn't really judge him as the expectation that we need Bruno level players everywhere. He's been injured constantly and he was a dumb signing, but if you can get past that and just look at what he can bring if he managed to stay fit, then yeah he's fine in the role he has. Which is being the 4th option for the 10's. Being a player who isn't the first option off the bench to impact games there, I don't know what people expect. The injuries are the worst part about him, but he's actually a decent player if fit. Big if though. Couldn't sell him if we tried anyway so no use in pretending like he's not part of the squad.
 
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