It'll be more savable in the middle I believe. The keeper can save it with his foot even if he dived to the side. Unless it was shot very high.
Why don't more penalty takers shoot down the middle?
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Shrug... just guessing. But what you described is hardly shooting to the middle.
Imo a middle shot is if you bet on the keeper making a dive. If he stays put then he'll have ti save it. The ultimate bluff
The great thing is this isnt even an old bump. Its one done like literally an hour before it happened.
There was a definite time in fairly recent history where a pen went from a huge percentage of a goal, to not.
I don't know how tied up with all the footage of every pen ever being available now.
Here's the likelihood of scoring from PenaltyKickStat on Twitter:
That's interesting Gio, thanks. I've heard it said that a goalie's quicker jumping up than diving down, which would appear to be wrong. I wonder if to be truly useful you would have to include missed pens as well though, all very well being more likely to score if you blaze high on target, but if more of those are off target that would change things. Not claiming to know, I'm just musing.Here's the likelihood of scoring from PenaltyKickStat on Twitter:
Weird how low to middle to the left is considerably worse than to the right. That is unless you put it just inside the post then it becomes better.Here's the likelihood of scoring from PenaltyKickStat on Twitter:
Some big differences there, the 0.62 vs the 0.92 on the other side, the 0.38 vs 0.63, 0.5 (twice) vs 0.89 and 0.91.
Trying to figure out why that may be. I'd say maybe goalies just dive to the left (their right) more often because most people are right footed or legged and it feels more comfortable to push off your strongest leg in that direction. But that wouldn't explain the ones just inside the post being the other way around.
Great thread. At least he didn't take it with his left foot . . . . .There's also 'save percentage' stats which counter this. AKA 'where kicker aimed' (what Gio posted) vs 'where GK moved'; and they have stats for that.Here's the likelihood of scoring from PenaltyKickStat on Twitter:
Also if you look, the left/right corner percentages differ.
Left-footed penalties and all that jazz.
This. Pogba brought this on himselfWas wondering why this thread suddenly had about a million replies in a minute, I turned off the stream after Lukaku scored the third.
Surprised, he usually hits it high into the corner.
Problem with Pogba's run is it's so slow a keeper should delay his dive either way to see what he does.
this thread. penalties in the middle are liable to hit the trailing leg of the keeper. unless it's a panenka it's better to place it in the corner.
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Specialist penalty takers should generally be going for the “unsavable” penalties like Harry Kane’s against Panamá.
Missing the target is considered the ultimate crime for a penalty taker but I’m certain that the ratio of scored penalties is far higher when players aim for that upper zone as opposed to savable areas lower down. Statistically it’s worth the risk to go for accuracy and possibly miss the target.
Missing the target is considered the ultimate crime for a penalty taker but I’m certain that the ratio of scored penalties is far higher when players aim for that upper zone as opposed to savable areas lower down. Statistically it’s worth the risk to go for accuracy and possibly miss the target.
Goalkeepers should be coached not to commit to a dive either side when facing penalties and focus on covering the middle third of the goal. The probability of saving penalties right in the corner is so low and so many penalties down the middle could be blocked by the goalie’s legs if he didn’t try to get as far over to one side and make a less likley save.
Not in 2006 though
Odd that your chances of scoring are actually lower when you put it low to what on average would be the goalkeeper’s weaker left side.Here's the likelihood of scoring from PenaltyKickStat on Twitter:
Burn OP? 
I have thought about this before. A keeper is likely to dive one way (left or right) about 60-70% of the time. Even if he doesn't dive to the side, he definitely goes down to the floor nearly 80-90% of the times.
I think the most "un-save-able" penalties are the ones bang in the middle, high in the net. A perfect example of that is Chelsea's fifth penalty taken by Hazard against City (see video in the first page). However, if the penalty is low and down the middle, more than a quarter penalties will hit some part of the keeper's body. (Even if the dive is to the side, it can hit the keeper's foot). Most footbal coaches will never approve of this approach.
And to answer the OP, my guess is that more players don't attempt "high in the middle" type penalties because they are technically more difficult to execute than the "low and hard to the corner" types. The pressure during penalty takes are so high that most players want to play safe, IMO.
I think the most "un-save-able" penalties are the ones bang in the middle, high in the net. A perfect example of that is Chelsea's fifth penalty taken by Hazard against City (see video in the first page). However, if the penalty is low and down the middle, more than a quarter penalties will hit some part of the keeper's body. (Even if the dive is to the side, it can hit the keeper's foot). Most footbal coaches will never approve of this approach.
And to answer the OP, my guess is that more players don't attempt "high in the middle" type penalties because they are technically more difficult to execute than the "low and hard to the corner" types. The pressure during penalty takes are so high that most players want to play safe, IMO.
Oot but i think it wont be long before the sjw found this pitchfork things offensive..
It's just my logic. A hard kicker can kicked a ball in the 90km/hours speed it's just impossible to reach the corner of the post as a goalie in time even if you knew before hand where it'll land. Kicking a ball hard is easier for almost every pro footballer. But diving that fast to the corner not even top keepers are guaranteed he can do so.
Leaping fast from stationery and all that..
Arise Sir Troy.....
I said he was gonna smash it down the middle as wellArise Sir Troy.....
He does tend to hit a lot of penalties down the middle. Was actually wondering if Ruddy was going to stand his ground as it was the biggest penalty Deeney had ever taken so you'd choose your best option in that circumstance.I said he was gonna smash it down the middle as well
GKs are standing nearer to the Right Post as we look at the goal here? And saving best to their right.Here's the likelihood of scoring from PenaltyKickStat on Twitter:
And look at that 0.38 -
If you do it it has to be high enough to miss the trailing legs
In theory it's a great idea but in reality the person taking the pen risks looking very silly if the keeper decides to stay in the middle of the goal.
What I've always wondered is why goalkeepers dive left or right when their best option is not diving and covering the middle?
A lot of keepers do stay up late but then you run the risk of player with slow run up just stroking it into a corner. See 90% of Hazard penalties. Plus he'd get loads of stick in the dressing room for not diving.
Hmm, interesting. Although any stick from teammates would be mitigated if they actually saved a penalty.
I think it's because the keeper tends to be in the middle.
I missed one penalty and guess where I went?
What is it with this thread?!
Cazorla smashes penalty down the middle and Lopez just stands there and collects the ball.
Cazorla smashes penalty down the middle and Lopez just stands there and collects the ball.
Cazorla just tried it. THe thread was awful anyways.
Down the middle with the goalkeeper standing there .Orbital
(or 2nd guess, middle with the GK just standing there,
I took out where you score at less than the Expected 80 % rate. Leaving in where you do, so these are now the best areas to hit. You can see the GK is largely diving out of the way, isn't it? And there's a decent margin of error underneath the crossbar.
You also run the risk of making yourself look quite the fool if you mess it up even slightly.
There must be some good game theory behind this. My hypothesis would suggest that you should pick your spot high left, high right or central at random
The problem with going down the middle long term is that once the tactical scouts of the opposition note this pattern, I'd imagine the balance swings back to the keeper making an easy save. You should go down the middle some of the time, but not with any degree of predictability.
The problem with going down the middle long term is that once the tactical scouts of the opposition note this pattern, I'd imagine the balance swings back to the keeper making an easy save. You should go down the middle some of the time, but not with any degree of predictability.
Villareal can't catch a break these times, hopefully they'll have a swing of luck and stay in La Liga.
Goalkeepers don't give a shit what non-goalkeepers say. I work with two of them, one a former NT keeper, and they couldn't care less. I'd be worried about the personality that's afraid of doing something correct because he'd "get a load of stick" but you're not wrong that it might be the reason some don't do it (see free throws in basketball).
Ruud van Nistelrooy took the best penalties that I've seen. Hard down the left corner. Once keepers started to move early to reach the corner he just shot it to the right. If I were a player I'd just practise shooting the ball in those two corners and before each game flip a coin to decide the corner so there wouldn't be a pattern to my shooting. Or better yet, shoot in the same corner 3 out of 4 times and then when it comes to a cup competition, which is seemingly the only time a keeper does any homework, you shoot in the 25% corner because the opposition will have "based on data" that you most often shoot the other way.