Because we've had 4 not very good managers in a row?
Why has every United manager made a comment which has "destroyed" them?
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I only really remember Moyes with this kind of stuff. It's a window into their mentalities.
LVG was bonkers but he would generally talk about us not the opposition and was pretty unbiased (we are the best team in Manchester because we are 4 points ahead etc)
Mou was just horribly negative but again was usually about us (mostly Shaw) or, when he did praise others it was oppo players like his thinly disguised jibe at our scouting team when he said how good Diop was and what a find he must have been.
LVG was bonkers but he would generally talk about us not the opposition and was pretty unbiased (we are the best team in Manchester because we are 4 points ahead etc)
Mou was just horribly negative but again was usually about us (mostly Shaw) or, when he did praise others it was oppo players like his thinly disguised jibe at our scouting team when he said how good Diop was and what a find he must have been.
The committee? The EPL is pretty unforgiving. It took Liverpool many years to get the right manager after Benitez. Arsenal still yet to successfully replace Wenger and took City many years to land Pep. I believe City first got money in 2008? So its normal to go through many bad choices. The issue is due to the number of challenging rivals, you can't just get your spot back unlike in other countries.
There is far too much focus on what managers say in press conferences nowadays - most of the time these arent well thought out responses, its just off the cuff remarks and often these managers arent even talking in their mother tongues. Then certain quotes are taken out of context and blown out of all proportion.
Some managers are better than others at dealing with the media and often it is part of their own ego (see Jose and LvG) but their job is to win football matches not give interviews
The whole thing of tuning in to watch live pressers is a modern day football trend anyway, the media need content so this kind of thing has been popularised - but it really doesnt matter much at all
Some managers are better than others at dealing with the media and often it is part of their own ego (see Jose and LvG) but their job is to win football matches not give interviews
The whole thing of tuning in to watch live pressers is a modern day football trend anyway, the media need content so this kind of thing has been popularised - but it really doesnt matter much at all
I think that's a shallow way of looking at things when we have madesome of the largest expenditures in world football and have a 300mill wage bill. Are the glazers supposed to make us bankrupt? we have spent enough fee and wage wise to be successful as other clubs have done so with less. Woodwood.....the jury is still out. He and the commitee have many misses and some hits. I doubt everything will be rosy if we just got rid of everyone and replaced with these unnamed backroom staff
Poor results, plus people not being aware of the reality of our situation or seeing comments and interpreting them the way that best suits how they feel towards the manager.
We are essentially a guitar with only 1 string and one way of playing football and any well organised team can stop us dead in our tracks. Roy is a tactically organised manager who knows how to blunt teams.
Sacking managers without anything above them in the club changing is fast becoming like taking your nice sports car to get cleaned and then driving it straight home through a muddy field.
Ed Woodward should be sacked without a doubt. He has presided over an absolute shambolic 8 years. He's the common link to the mess. Sack him first, employ proper football people and then we can have a chat about the manager. A competent CEO / DOF would probably look to bring in a top class manager eventually anyway.
Ole does not deserve to be sacked before that waste of oxygen. Not a chance.
Because that's how football work, sustained success isn't the norm but the exception. If you don't have almost everything going your way, you will most likely not be successful for more than a season.
Our fans love to pick the nails out of inane post match or pre match press conferences that really don't mean all that much at all
Scrutiny yes. Accountability no. Most of them are given a very lenient leeway.
First year is always on us unless you pull a moyes
If you make the same mistake 4 times in a row then the problem is with you (in this case the people running United)
City won titles under the 2 managers preceding Pep. Pep has made them more consistent.
Two experienced but past their best managers with awful transfer strategies and two managers still learning the game at the higher level but found to be eventually out their depth. Not a huge surprise.
In that case pretty much all clubs have a problem.
Maybe. 8 years is quite a while to be honest. i didn't realise it's been that long. That's a long time of failure
forgot about that. Damn thats gonna be 5 titles in 5 years after decades of nothing. They're taking over!
Exactly, even if Ole isn't the right man (and there is a case he isn't), Woodward is the consistent factor throughout our decline post-Fergie.
City could have won those first few titles with Bob the builder in charge. They have had to curb their spending a lot more of late due to FFP but they'd already got their man (Pep) and got their house in order.
The first no, the second yes.
I think Mancini did well to keep them in it till the end. United did drop the ball as well.
The second was arguably because Liverpool fell to pieces, Chelsea didn't bother challenging and United were being driven off a cliff.
Combination of lack of leadership and structure from above and poor recruitment of players and manager (style and mentality) in my opinion.
Didn't they breach FFP recently? Anyways Pep has invested a record amount on their defence. The area Pep is probably weakest. Something like 400million!
When pressure gets to people with microphones in their face they will almost always start saying stupid things.
Ferguson is 1987: "We all look to Liverpool. But we aspire to be where they are."
feckin' ruined him, this did. Fans were furious. Martin Edwards marched him to the chairman's office and fecking sacked him.
feckin' ruined him, this did. Fans were furious. Martin Edwards marched him to the chairman's office and fecking sacked him.
And to compound that issue, we were better than City's level just a few months before in the previous season, until Moyes took over (which, granted, wasn't his fault as nobody would have turned down that job).
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Putting Ole’s team remark in the same vein as the others is ridiculous
That's how it's been treated on here
Moyes hit rock bottom when he said Fergie would have struggled with that team.
LVG also said fans are expecting too much when they expect top 4. 
It was after the Bournemouth game in his last season. Will be hard to find it on YouTube.
Edit: here it's :
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-manchester-united-fans-expectations-too-high
It was after the Bournemouth game in his last season. Will be hard to find it on YouTube.Edit: here it's :
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-manchester-united-fans-expectations-too-high
People thinking Ole's remark doesn't deserve to be here, what about this one? And it was in the pre match conference as well :
https://www.skysports.com/football/...manchester-united-boss-wary-of-norwich-threat
https://www.skysports.com/football/...manchester-united-boss-wary-of-norwich-threat
Managers make less than favorable comments all the time, being United manager only means there is always a heavier spotlight and a barrage of fans and media willing to micro parse every sentence coming from the manager's mouth.
I'm in complete agreement with you but in answer to the OP for me the simple answer is the best way to know what sort of manager a club has is when they're under pressure and how they handle that pressure. Our last 4 managers haven't handled pressure well and come out with bizarre comments to try and deflect the bad job they're doing.
Correct and to say otherwise gives a disservice to how good Hodgson can organise a team, literally his fortay.
Pep says inwardly laughing hysterically.
Because football is a soap opera and people try to infer way to much from what people say, often even in their non-native tongue.
The common sense approach is to at least assume that all United managers want their team to beat the opponents and play better than them. Anything else is likely misconstrued, often wilfully.
The common sense approach is to at least assume that all United managers want their team to beat the opponents and play better than them. Anything else is likely misconstrued, often wilfully.
Not a great barometer for common sense
Agenda driven reactions. Nothing more. Every word or sentence can be interpreted in lot of ways.
After the 0-0 he spoke as maniacally as Denis Hopper in Apocalypse Now, “ it Man Utd man. they have greeeat pace and counterrr attack you know!”
*Applause*