You brought back memories of his transfer thread where people were calling him a Spurs reject
Why we dont need to sell Bruno to meet FFP rules
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We likely wouldn't have got a better centre midfielder than Fernandes - the calibre of player required to upgrade on Bruno are playing at, or will have interest from, elite clubs.
Fernandes isn't a CM especially in a double pivot. It's why we are so easy to play through. In a three man midfield that's different. Anyway selling him and maybe getting in Wharton or Baleba would have been a huge step in the right direction for our midfield long term
I went and had a look, its always interesting to look at old opinions
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/bruno-fernandes-signed.452709/#post-25147836
If we are married to 5atb which it seems we are you don’t need to replace Bruno’s productivity. We’ve already done it by signing cunha and Mbeumo. Your 2 CMs should be mobile and cover ground as they’ll usually be up against 3.
I’d swap Bruno for Wharton in an instant and we’d be much better off.
We really should have got rid rather than shoehorning Bruno into CM.
I don't think there's any shoehorning going on at all. Amorim clearly thinks Bruno is a good fit there and can also instantly go to 10 or even false 9 (we started the season with Bruno and Mount as 9s) when needed. That sort of versatility is incredibly valuable and that's before we get to his goals, assists, experience, and overall galvanizing leadership he gives the squad. It was an absolute no brainer that he stays and the fact that Amorim was the lead agitator to not lose him only reinforces all of the above.
Agreed we can only know in retrospect.
If the plan is to sign Cunha, Mbeumo and Gyokeres, it doesn't really make sense to keep Bruno Fernandes. His midfield partner will have their work cut out in a big way when playing in a two. It shouldn't come as too much of a surprise because we've neglected the value of being disciplined and keeping the ball in midfield for years, but I think we can expect another season of chaos next year if Fernandes is playing in one of the deeper roles on a regular basis.
Even if Amorim insisted on playing this formation, I would've hoped he would be smart enough to know the exact profiles to make it work. I really feel it's naive if we plan to play this way.
This was addressed in one my earlier posts.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/why...-bruno-to-meet-ffp-rules.488271/post-33314135
The obsession with winning the transfer window is odd. Liverpool supposedly lost the transfer widow last Summer... I'm sure the players are wiping their tears with their medals.
Yep.
One of our biggest issues for years is how we play out from the back. It usually goes something like this: Onana passes to one of the defenders (in Amorim's case, one of the back five). Ball gets tediously and slowly recycled laterally between center backs and full backs. Players ahead of them stand around waiting for something to happen. Eventually we play it long or into dead end alleys, and allow the opposing team to nullify our attacks way too easily. We don't have a means of pushing the ball into midfield and attacking areas, either through physical and technical means. I don't see how Fernandes+1 will accomplish this, certainly not if the 1 is any of our current midfielders.
If we play a midfield two, both of those players need to be able to receive the ball from our defenders and advance it up field. That's just not Fernandes' game, and if we want him to do that we're wasting a goalscoring/assisting asset by playing him out of position.
There is a more detailed version of this on The Athletic, quite honestly the BBC article looks like blatant plagiarism. The takeaways are the same though, we actually are fine in PSR terms and being out of Europe means we don't need to meet the more stringent UEFA rules. We do still need to worry about cashflow which is why we are still wanting to spread our deals out over as many instalments as possible but provided we don't get daft with overpaying and we stick to a better salary structure moving forward we can continue to spend quite easily. We do ultimately need to stop buying duds though and spunking big fees on players with no resale value or it will eventually catch up with us.
Nah you're alright, I'll keep watching the games and forming my own opinion. And I never said anything about a Casemiro and Fernandes double pivot - Bruno can be both a very good midfielder and also part of a bad midfield unit.
Managers can't look past the next 6 games. This is why we have a DOF - they need to look at the next 2-3 seasons and considering the fact that we might sack Amorim after 10 games.
Unpopular opinion. Selling Bruno would be a huge mistake. As i stated earlier a couple of times, he is the only squad member who could be a starter in EVERY top team. Our only top class player. And if he does not fit in Amorim's "system" (if there's any...) then what? If we sell Bruno and to build a squad to fit Amorim's famous system and Amorim fails (i don't really see any sign to think otherwise) then we just wasted our best. Bruno, at the age of 30 is still young enough to build a team around him. I don't understand why some members think he is old, while in Barcelona the 38 years old Lewandowski scored 25 goals in the league, in Madrid the 39 years old Modric played a total of 57 games last season (great number, even if he did not start all of them) and so on, there's lots of examples. Anyway, i still support Amorim but to sacrifice our most valuable asset because of him... Not sure.
Yes, but we dont have to pay all the fees up front for this years transfers. So if committed to 250m in transfers this year, and we spread over 5 years. We only need to pay 50m this year, plus the 90m we owe, so 140m. Not 340m.
The debt repayments seem to go up and down but usually are about 40m IIRC. Thats alot of money but its not crippling. Buying shit players for high fees and high wages is the issue in the past.
Agreed. We should have cashed in. Hes 31 and will decline. 100m was good money.
They are also painting a gloomy picture so they can justify their cuts and getting rid of Rashford and other academy players. Its not disgraceful, because it all needs to happen to turn this club around.
I agree the main reason for this mess is the awful transfer business in the past. 80m for Maguire, 90m for Antony. Clubs took us to the cleaners because they knew the ownership were clueless.
No, they have high revenues so have a high PSR allowable budget for transfers. They also sell their young academy players for large fees.
Except, it was Amorim himself who wanted Bruno to stay. So this narrative of us needing to sell Bruno to fit Amorim's way is wrong.
In cash flow terms, I think getting clubs to agree to 5 year payment terms would be a hard sell. 2 or 3 years would be more realistic.
There's also the flip side: clubs buying our players will want to pay over time as well, unless they're loaded like the Saudis.
Past transfers are already affecting the picture through amortisation, which is treating any past player bought as if he was paid for in five equal instalments. It makes little difference to PSR whether or not we actually have outstanding payments.
Can see the thinking, though I don't agree with it. But "lack of suitability for Amorim's system" makes little sense.
Bruno does need to adapt his game if he have to succeed. He cannot play with complete freedom in the CM role - he has to be judicious with the use of the ball and maintain positional discipline.
Otherwise, it will not work regardless of who his CM partner is.
Otherwise, it will not work regardless of who his CM partner is.
The only times a seasoned player improves is through a) change of tactics, and b) change in diet and training.
Wanting more than one player to improve regardless of experience is unrealistic for the moment.
Wanting more than one player to improve regardless of experience is unrealistic for the moment.
Not sure if this was a response to my post. I am not asking for Improvement per se but change in risk taking and positional play.
Giggs, Scholes, Ronaldo, Modric all evolved in their late twenties / 30ies.