I haven't ignored anything, I twice state there are racist United fans out there, the shouts he's heard at grounds prove that and it should be mentioned Twitter. Myself and another poster, pointed out that there are going to be racist fans out there but that we believe the majority of criticism Pogba receives is not race based. And I know the OP didn't suggest it was every United fan but he came in a thread about Pogba. He responded to a post about the criticism Pogba receives being perceived to be the worse and his first response as to why it was more than others was to suggest that it was because of race. However it's later dressed up, or he wants to half back track this is going to get people talking. Essentially the only response to that comment, judging by the comments (see below) that have followed from yourself and him, would have been a full nod in agreement.
Below is the initial post from
@Schmeichel's Cartwheel , he says ‘race plays a part’; he doesn’t say that racism is the sole/main etc. he just acknowledges that race in some instances is a driving factor. . .
I’m sorry to say this because I wish it wasn’t the case, but I think his race plays a part in why he’s so hated by a portion of fans.
I’m not sure what you think he needs to backtrack from.
He said race is a factor & was jumped on by fellow posters. At no point did he say it was the sole factor or the main factor, he simply mentioned race & I knew the outpouring of tone deaf dismissal was incoming.
The comment really isn’t controversial.
There was literally just the one person who attempted to dismiss it entirely but most others have simply put forward an argument that the significant Pogba dislike
@Schmeichel's Cartwheel sees, is for one not predominantly race based and two, incorrect because they believe other players are more subject to abuse. That is quite debateable and would depend on what you're exposed to more or what threads you visit more. The most abuse (unfair and other) I've come across AND lack of support for one player is Harry Maguire. But again that's just my opinion.
I’m struggling to find the relevance of the above. I also think just because you’re in favour of this echo chamber it’s rather distasteful to say people are simply stating other players get more abuse. See below for immediate responses to the post.
Absolutely not the case. Race has nothing to do with it.
jesus. You come out with some utter crap.
When has anyone said this criticism is predominantly due to race? It’s again another thing that happens on here far too often when the subject arises; no one has said what you claim is being argued against.
I think you've kind of decided before the discussion has really taken off that people are dismissing racism and that's not what's happened. I'd presume probably because there's been other threads with a similar topic in the past and some members have responded in such a way. Well actually I know it is because I've seen it and in those discussions you would have a very good point but in this instance we are talking specifically about Pogba and United fans.
Two people can read the same thing differently & it’s always shown in these threads.
You go from telling me how I think to speaking for the United fanbase as a whole despite proof in the many links provided of
United fans racially abusing Pogba &
@Schmeichel's Cartwheel ’s first hand experiences.
Return to the actual first statement made on the issue then reflect on the arguments made against it.
We’ve got proof of racism towards Pogba from United fans, all that was said was it plays some part. It’s not about having a good point in this instance when you’ve quite obviously missed the initial point entirely.
It didn’t take much to see that it ‘literally isn’t one’ person dismissing his comments so I can’t even give that part more time.
We've gone from just talking about purely United fans and Pogba to you two now talking about black players in general and the media coverage they receive. That's actually a whole other discussion and I think you two (more so Schmeichel) trying to subsequently throw that into the mix here isn't really fair.
For one I am 100% in agreement that in general the media coverage black players receive has agendas, but I do not believe that race plays a significant in the criticism Pogba receives from purely United fans. Let's stick to one debate here.
I posted links to the Pogba + Rashford online insults news story, have given an example of racism I’ve heard in the stands, also linked to a news article regarding the differences in coverage between races &
@Schmeichel's Cartwheel has given examples of racism at games, 2 or 3 [can’t remember] in relation to Pogba.
We’ve haven’t gone from one thing to another at all but I’m used to being told what to say in these debates on here; the goalposts are ever changing.
Multiple instances of racism involving Pogba cited but as others were mentioned let’s dismiss them all. . .
Anyway, I’ve been given a warning for some reason or other so I’m hesitant to delve further, someone got upset.