Working Mans game has been dead for decades.

[Bilbo]

Then why do the Likes of Gary keep binging this up as if he is a champion to the Loyal Fan and those nasty Glazers are sharks? Don't you see the irony in his comments?

Neville is a lifelong United fan who spent his entire career playing for the club. It doesn't get much more loyal than that, unless we are going to criticise him for having the nerve to expect a salary for his troubles

 

[ZupZup]

Players don't dictate salaries, the people running the football clubs do.

In a lot of cases, players are maybe earning too much... that clown Perez is giving Bale a £600k a week contract. That's on him, not Bale. The ESL is just a vehicle to rescue these awfully run clubs that have not operated sustainably in years. Spending far more than they can afford in pursuit of success. It's an absolute joke and anyone calling out player salaries or wealthy pundits is entirely missing the point.

 

[Ananke]

Comparing Gary Neville, or any ex player who comes out against this, to the owners of the big six doing this move is like comparing me dropping a few plastic bottles in the wrong bin to some company dropping megatons of nuclear waste into the sea.

We’re all bad people and we can’t call out anyone because we all do bad things...

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Players' wages are decided by the market. Football is bringing in massive sums of money and so players get paid their share of that money. Is an individual player supposed to take a substantial pay cut compared to literally every other similarly-skilled player in the world, just so he can identify more with the blue collar blokes in the stands? Feck off.

Gary Neville wasn't born into unimaginable privilege. He worked his arse off because he specifically wanted to play for United, and stayed loyal to the club for his entire career and remains a red-blooded fan to this day. If he wants to voice his opinion on the greed of the ESL clubs, he can. This notion that footballers and pundits are too rich to have a valid opinion is fecking dumb. They're voicing exactly the same concerns as the rest of us, so clearly they understand the issues.

Florentino Perez, Kroenke, John Henry, Levy and Malcom Glazer weren't born into unimaginable privilege either. They worked their arses off because they wanted to buy sports franchises. If they wanted to form a league where they can make even more money why shouldn't they. I know Malcom is dead but I am sure he would have done the same.

I am not saying ESL is right but if Gary Neville can talk shit because he worked for it, so can the football club owners.

 

[GifLord]

That's the main reason. Perez acts like he wants to save football but it's simply about Real Madrid being richer. Has there been an explanation as to how how all the other teams would benefit from it ?


Yes but it's as if you're focusing on the least problematic issue of this story. Every person involved has benefited to a various degree from this system and if they all shut it, they would get criticized much more.

Maybe he knows something we don't? Have the financial reports for the current season been released yet?

 

[Striker10]

two wrongs don't make a right. It means that none of this has been right but people have been 'sleeping' for so long and are not used to fully developing throught because they're used to a culture of external influences filling in the gaps. There's no time to think half the time. But furlough gave people time and if they've used it wisely then they maybe think of the world differently.

As an example compartmentalization. Do people really think that during a forced pandemic, that once it's over the money system isn't going to be an issue? They talk of global financial reset YEARS in advance but not in ways that you would assume. And they\ve taught people to be short sighted. These rich owners must know this but we know that the rich get all these loopholes. So where is their loyalty? To poor people? If it were, they've had little to no money. It's true the working mans game has gone but these people do make a relevant point

People do have to follow the argument though, just like they should follow the money. And come up with your own thoughts and not recycle. So it's true, your point and I said perhaps going into Europe in the first place...was a bad idea but you go down a road with contrived grievances and fake propaganda to push this agenda. We should look to compliment these core values.....and understand or remember that government is meant to represent the will of the people (AT ALL TIMES). Not when it suits them.

But a nations debt becomes, your debt or your childs debt or your great grand childs debt. We must wrestle back the creation of money and go back to real values but there is an even bigger issue then that. You cannot defile a nation. Everyone get's defiled. And crap will float to the top. Players are only paid the money they're paid because while they entertain they will NEVER enlighten a population to what's going or been going on. They earn too much. But it goes back to these agendas that some people don't understand. Yeah socialism cam be 'appealing' We' re all poor! But we're not the mega rich are still rich and control the money. They'll still have their big houses and 10 cars.

During the furlough, they asked people to clap the nhs......to give the impression of unity and that they care. People who do GOOD......are not good enough to get a proper wage. But footballers? Half the time they're lying to influence a decision. Rolling about on the floor cheating. A nation with it's true core values must control the money. There should be no interest on top. No opportunism to oppress. ANYONE. No teaching people to be reliant on false government. People should know how to grow food and have shelter etc. We're a developed nation but as a people we're all over the place.

Let's not entertain the idea we can make this work. We cannot. No nation should mess with anothers affairs. Period.

 

[Rozay]

The ‘working man’s’ version of a few decades ago was a poor product to be fair. And that’s not to advocate a SL, but the capitalism that has come into football since the 90s has made it far better.

 

[VeevaVee]

Weird to have a go at Neville, Rio or any players.

Actually think the modern day player (not so much the Nevilles and Rios) has played their part in this, albeit indirectly. They've demanded more and more at a ridiculous rate, and to stay on top clubs have to give it them. To give it them they need to make a shit tonne of money. This has already ended up in football no longer being about the fans.

 

[royalewithcheese2006]

Why does it have to get worse if the working man's game has been dead for years? Do people let their house burn to the ground if a wall collapsed a couple of years ago?

Strange that people have a go at every player or manager who has tried to speak out on this. Herrera does it, he's a money grabber. Klopp to be fair stuck to his opinion from the past and people aren't happy. Did you expect a meltdown where he called JohnW a money grabbing cnut? Milner says something and he's at the end of his career and has nothing to lose apparently. Gary speaks out and he has no right to because he took money from the glazers/is employed by Sky? If Sir Alex speaks out, does he fall under the same category? He wasn't working for free since the glazers took over either. Who is allowed to speak up then?

Understand how football clubs have gotten greedy and how it's influenced ticket prices and Sky charging for telecasts (don't live in the UK, so not sure how bad it is) but does that mean that it's ok for European football to be run by 12 owners who can do what they feel like? Perez has already suggested his own world club. What's next? Dissolve a club that he doesn't like? It's really hard to understand how preferring the lesser of two evils is a bad thing.

 

[Mockney]

Technically Association Football was codified by public school boys and lawyers in the leafy suburb of Barnes, and the first official game played by an offshoot of a rowing club.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_Football_Club

Basically what I’m saying is reclaim football for the middle class rowers of Barnes!

 

[Focusmate]

The ‘working man’s’ version of a few decades ago was a poor product to be fair. And that’s not to advocate a SL, but the capitalism that has come into football since the 90s has made it far better.

I think this is the crux of it for me. The level of professionalism and standards may have improved but for me its become more and more distant from what got me hooked initially

 

[JPRouve]

Actually think the modern day player (not so much the Nevilles and Rios) has played their part in this, albeit indirectly. They've demanded more and more at a ridiculous rate, and to stay on top clubs have to give it them. To give it them they need to make a shit tonne of money. This has already ended up in football no longer being about the fans.

They don't have to give it to them. The issue is that a few club wants to have all the players while back in the day those players would collecting big wages somewhere else.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Why does it have to get worse if the working man's game has been dead for years? Do people let their house burn to the ground if a wall collapsed a couple of years ago?

For me the situation is more analogous to having let your house burn down years ago and all that remains is a wall. Now someone breaks that wall and you start acting like they destroyed your house.

 

[Ananke]

For me the situation is more analogous to having let your house burn down years ago and all that remains is a wall. Now someone breaks that wall and you start acting like they destroyed your house.

I'd embellish on that and say it's more like someone bought your house, burnt it down. And you just had to watch.

 

[Zlaatan]

Then why do the Likes of Gary keep binging this up as if he is a champion to the Loyal Fan and those nasty Glazers are sharks? Don't you see the irony in his comments?

Because wanting what's best for you as a player and being concerned that the game is being taken away from fans because 98% of the clubs in Europe are being pissed on isn't even close to being the same thing.

Your argument is basically like saying that a lawyer can't be upset that the most important laws we have are about to change because he wasn't loyal to his lawfirm when he didn't accept their new contract offer. It's a false equivalence and a terrible one at that.

 

[alexthelion]

So with the advent of this new Super League and the outcry from the multi-Millionaire X-Footballers (oh the Irony) about taking the game away from the fans and the clubs only interested in money(oh the Irony again).

The game has not been a working man's game for decades. The likes of Gary Neville, Rio, even Roy Keane, and many others signed massive contacts to be loyal to their fans and teams. So please for these players to jump up and down and bitch about Football Clubs chasing money falls flat. Not one of those loyal players would stay loyal to their football teams if they could get a bigger contract elsewhere. How many players in today's United team are so loyal to their fans and team to turn down a bigger contract - I tell you not one.

So how do the likes of Gary Neville bitch when he and the other multi-millionaire footballers are part of a problem that has taken the workingman's game away from the workingman? So to say Football is dead when the reality football has not been a workingman's game for decades and the likes of bitching Gary was part of this..

Well said, today's game is as far away from that when I started watching as the new league is to today's football.

The rot really started with Sky/Chelsea/oil clubs imo.

 

[royalewithcheese2006]

For me the situation is more analogous to having let your house burn down years ago and all that remains is a wall. Now someone breaks that wall and you start acting like they destroyed your house.

Wealthy owners have taken over football, players are overpaid, ticket prices have gone up, broadcasters have ripped off the fans etc. I agree football isn't like what it used to be. Since all of this has happened, none of us can be unhappy with the ESL? We are talking about 12 clubs with almost uncontrolled power in club football. The implications of the ESL are manifold.
Let's say there's a club that is running away with the league title by Jan. The other 5 "super" clubs have absolutely nothing to play for in the league and play under strength teams every week when there's a super league mid-week game. This further destroys the relevance of domestic cups, players get overpaid even more, eventually the broadcasters go after more money too. The ESL is making everything that is presently wrong with football get even worse but we all sit around saying football is ruined already and it doesn't matter anymore. Atleast the current state of football lets teams play the biggest club competition on merit, not based on being the "founding" fathers purely because they are the wealthiest clubs in football at present. Give it a few years and Barcelona might not be in a conversation for a super league with all the recent terrible spending.
Curious to know if all Real Madrid fans back this or just the ones who feel this is the easiest route to get Haaland/Mbappe?

 

[teteus]

Wealthy owners have taken over football, players are overpaid, ticket prices have gone up, broadcasters have ripped off the fans etc. I agree football isn't like what it used to be. Since all of this has happened, none of us can be unhappy with the ESL? We are talking about 12 clubs with almost uncontrolled power in club football. The implications of the ESL are manifold.
Let's say there's a club that is running away with the league title by Jan. The other 5 "super" clubs have absolutely nothing to play for in the league and play under strength teams every week when there's a super league mid-week game. This further destroys the relevance of domestic cups, players get overpaid even more, eventually the broadcasters go after more money too. The ESL is making everything that is presently wrong with football get even worse but we all sit around saying football is ruined already and it doesn't matter anymore. Atleast the current state of football lets teams play the biggest club competition on merit, not based on being the "founding" fathers purely because they are the wealthiest clubs in football at present. Give it a few years and Barcelona might not be in a conversation for a super league with all the recent terrible spending.
Curious to know if all Real Madrid fans back this or just the ones who feel this is the easiest route to get Haaland/Mbappe?

Excellent video about how the soul of football has been slowly ripped apart from the game for decades. All these presidents of the Super League founding clubs have been presidents of their clubs for a long time. They don't care about the competitiveness of the sport, they don't care about local supporters, they only care about money and would gladly make the stadiums be completely filled only by rich tourists. They would gladly even end their clubs if it meant them becoming far, far richer, they are completely disconnected from the reality of the sport. It's pure greed and business. If there is one good thing about the Super League, perhaps it would be raising public awareness of the deep issues of the clubs' boards, UEFA and FIFA in decades. Right now, there is no way that a club can become elite through hard work and merit, the only way is money from sheikhs.