Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll added)

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roonster09

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Would love to have your optimism

One picture of Poch with Neil Ashton is all it takes yh?

wow, how easily are we convinced.....
There are multiple reports which says Poch wants ManUtd job and also ManUtd wants Poch.
 

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In here and on less reputable forums maybe, but not in the real world

And if we sneak into T4 only because others have under performed, who cares?
I care. When Jose finished 2nd and said it was one of the greatest achievements he had made, people laughed.

I want to see huge improvements this season, starting at Stamford Bridge, if I were to even consider keeping Ole as a good idea. We've fallen for it already by giving him the permanent job after a string of good results that meant nothing in the end.
 

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Might as well sell everyone and buy the whole everton / Sheffield lots. A Pogba and Lukaku combined would have bought the whole sheffield team. Go ahead, calculate how much Sheffield team cost.

More balanced?
Better central midfield?

We have spend 150m +50M and you're telling me ole the visionary can't even field a more balanced midfield than fecking sheffield Wednesday that just got promoted?

Why is Leicester infront of Tottenham? Because they have a manager that actually knows what he's doing, and that's also why Everton, and even Tottenham now leapfrogged us while we're sliding into relegation fight. Don't tell me ole needs 3 years, 4 more players, and another half a million for us to finally be able to say "we deserved to be ahead of Sheffield Wednesday
So you mean that the more something "cost" it is better? Oh. Cost has nothing to do with worth and worth for a team. You can cost 100milion and play worse than someone who cost 10milion.

So Rodgers is better then Mourinho and Pochettino? Am I getting you right?

Sheffield Wedensday? I hope no Sheffield United fans see that.

Finally, if a new manager comes in, you expect us going for titles without any signings? Or do you think he or she should get money and time? And if you think he or she should be getting money and time why is it that Solskjaer should not get that? Because, you can't say that one year is enough looking at where we were when Solskjaer took over. We need players. Paying for a almost new defensiv line doesn't take away other problem areas. Like midfield. We had big problems looking at the squad and you have to start from somewhere.
 
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According to Ole it is. This is season just for assesing which players that should be here next season or not. According to him anyway.

I know, and 2months ago, as well pretty much. This is the most annoying thing for me, personally - every single manager in the Premier League is 'assessing his players for next season's squad'. It's part of the bloody overall job of being the manager, it's not the main focus of the role and it's certainly not what an entire season of football revolves around.

It'd be like me telling my bosses that I haven't conducted my main duties this week in work because I've been busy 'checking and sending emails'. No mate, that's a basic element of your job, not your main duty. It goes without saying that Ole should be assessing the squad for next season but that should be an afterthought, his main duty is to get results and propel us to the next level.
 

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Ole has been a manager for about 10 years.

Before he became interim manager here, who would have Ole on a list on the top 50 best managers in the world? When he is sacked, do you think any biggish club would even think about signing him?

It seems that having our worst results in 30 years have somehow elevated him in the echleon of elite managers in the world. Even some poster claim that only Pep and Klopp are better. It's mental.
 

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I know, and 2months ago, as well pretty much. This is the most annoying thing for me, personally - every single manager in the Premier League is 'assessing his players for next season's squad'. It's part of the bloody overall job of being the manager, it's not the main focus of the role and it's certainly not what an entire season of football revolves around.

It'd be like me telling my bosses that I haven't conducted my main duties this week in work because I've been busy 'checking and sending emails'. No mate, that's a basic element of your job, not your main duty. It goes without saying that Ole should be assessing the squad for next season but that should be an afterthought, his main duty is to get results and propel us to the next level.
Its pretty obvious that this quote was designed to light a fuse under certain players. This season isn't about assessing the squad, its about building a squad.
 

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So you mean that the more something "cost" it is better? Oh. Cost has nothing to do with worth and worth for a team. You can cost 100milion and play worse than someone who cost 10milion.

So Rodgers is better then Mourinho and Pochettino? Am I getting you right?

Sheffield Wedensday? I hope no Sheffield United fans see that.

Finally, if a new manager comes in, you expect us going for titles without any signings? Or do you think he or she should get money and time? And if you think he or she should be getting money and time why is it that Solskjaer should not get that? Because, you can't say that one year is enough looking at where we were when Solskjaer took over. We need players. Paying for a almost new defensiv line doesn't take away other problem areas. Like midfield. We had big problems looking at the squad and you have to start from somewhere.
You've had this pointed out to you numerous times by numerous posters. Patience is earned not granted blindly. IF Solskjaer was translating his vision on the pitch many of us, myself included, would be willing to patient with him as there would be a reason to be. But as it stands 14 months into the job we are worse off in every measurable metric and still with no discernable style. Even Ole's biggest supporters struggle to explain what his style is and what his rebuild constitutes.

You keep going on about where we were when Ole took over as if that somehow strengthens your case, but there's no way around it, we are worse off. A weaker squad, less points, a less experienced manager and supposedly he still needs 2 more transfer windows to instill his vision on the team. Based on available evidence he doesn't deserve it because we're moving backwards.

Solksjaer has been backed in the windows, so don't try that line. He's spent 200 million and I couldn't point to a single time I've thought, "wow he's made us better". Maguire is at best a modest upgrade on Smalling, James is a squad player and it's completely unfair on him how much he's been relied upon, AWB is a distinct improvement and I like the player, but also won't be surprised if he's not our starting RB in a few years.
 

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Its pretty obvious that this quote was designed to light a fuse under certain players. This season isn't about assessing the squad, its about building a squad.
Wasn't that said after Everton last season? Yet we still have the majority of that squad. Ole talks a big game but is not translating it in another way
 

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Wasn't that said after Everton last season? Yet we still have the majority of that squad. Ole talks a big game but is not translating it in another way
Since that Everton game we have sold 8 first team squad players and added 5 new ones. I'm sure we can expect another group coming in and going out this summer. The squad will be largely unrecognisable
 

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According to Ole it is. This is season just for assesing which players that should be here next season or not. According to him anyway.
If Ole stays, next season will also be a write-off and shall be used to assess players for the following season.
This will continue until he is fired or gets a lucky run of results.

My big target, who I want out remains Woodward, though.
With a new regime at the helm, and Woodward gone, Ole's performance target will be raised and he will either be forced to achieve this or will be fired.
While Woodward is in charge, he will ensure that we never compete for the title, unless the manager flukes his way into that situation.
 

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So you mean that the more something "cost" it is better? Oh. Cost has nothing to do with worth and worth for a team. You can cost 100milion and play worse than someone who cost 10milion.

So Rodgers is better then Mourinho and Pochettino? Am I getting you right?

Sheffield Wedensday? I hope no Sheffield United fans see that.

Finally, if a new manager comes in, you expect us going for titles without any signings? Or do you think he or she should get money and time? And if you think he or she should be getting money and time why is it that Solskjaer should not get that? Because, you can't say that one year is enough looking at where we were when Solskjaer took over. We need players. Paying for a almost new defensiv line doesn't take away other problem areas. Like midfield. We had big problems looking at the squad and you have to start from somewhere.
We need a new manager
 

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If Ole stays, next season will also be a write-off and shall be used to assess players for the following season.
This will continue until he is fired or gets a lucky run of results.

My big target, who I want out remains Woodward, though.
With a new regime at the helm, and Woodward gone, Ole's performance target will be raised and he will either be forced to achieve this or will be fired.
While Woodward is in charge, he will ensure that we never compete for the title, unless the manager flukes his way into that situation.
If Woodward gone. It'll be another new slate for ole. New dof, new regime,.let's see what he can do now we have a proper dof.
 

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Ole’s gone at end of the season based on current performance, no other scenario if things don’t get better. Whilst there is hope of top four to cling to he’ll continue to get a fairly easy ride but that will change, lose to Chelsea and narrative in media will start to change.

Ole wasn’t a good manager before he got here, hasn’t been one since he joined so he has to prove he can be in future. So far he’s failing by quite a big margin so he doesn’t deserve and won’t get more time.

Whatever people think about Poch he’s a much better manager and he’s available and in the summer so it’s inevitable unless things improve.
 

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Since that Everton game we have sold 8 first team squad players and added 5 new ones. I'm sure we can expect another group coming in and going out this summer. The squad will be largely unrecognisable
A grand total of 4 players in that squad were let go and I'm being generous with those figures because 2 of them will be returning eventually.
 

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You've had this pointed out to you numerous times by numerous posters. Patience is earned not granted blindly. IF Solskjaer was translating his vision on the pitch many of us, myself included, would be willing to patient with him as there would be a reason to be. But as it stands 14 months into the job we are worse off in every measurable metric and still with no discernable style. Even Ole's biggest supporters struggle to explain what his style is and what his rebuild constitutes.

You keep going on about where we were when Ole took over as if that somehow strengthens your case, but there's no way around it, we are worse off. A weaker squad, less points, a less experienced manager and supposedly he still needs 2 more transfer windows to instill his vision on the team. Based on available evidence he doesn't deserve it because we're moving backwards.

Solksjaer has been backed in the windows, so don't try that line. He's spent 200 million and I couldn't point to a single time I've thought, "wow he's made us better". Maguire is at best a modest upgrade on Smalling, James is a squad player and it's completely unfair on him how much he's been relied upon, AWB is a distinct improvement and I like the player, but also won't be surprised if he's not our starting RB in a few years.
I have never said he hasn't been backed. I say that we have to buy more. And any manager that comes will have to buy. I don't get this sudden liking for Smalling. Don't people look at Roma games? He is still same old Smalling except that he plays in a league where it is easier to defend. I like his personality and he could have been here as backup but stating that Maguire is at best modest upgrade is for me wrong. Maguire is a leader. He don't shy away from duties and never hides. He has his negative sides but is lot better then Smalling.

Yes, I do point at patience. Because it is important. Any other manager that comes have to have time. If you put Guardiola in United he would need time. Whoever you put needs time. And time is not one year. I, for example, thought vanGaal needed more time and should have been given. Mourinho would have had more time if he didn't "sacked himself". Like every other project you need time. If you are a baby you need time to learn to walk. If you are buliding a house you need time to build. Now, there is other factors that make time more or less long. Like owners. Like managers. But however you turn it, you need time.

Style? Winning back ball early. Possesion (almost every game we have had more %) and trying fast fluid football when attacking. Not hard to see. Do we have players for that? Not really. And when injuries come we are struggling even more. But saying we don't have system? I don't want to go and make myself as some football guru but it is not that hard to see what Solskjaer is trying and what is lacking for his plan to work the best way.
 

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A grand total of 4 players in that squad were let go and I'm being generous with those figures because 2 of them will be returning eventually.
Smalling Rojo and Sanchez will all come back and it will be hard to shift them because of their wages. This notion that Ole removed lots of deadwood is misleading. The only deadwood shifted on a permanent basis are Fellaini and Young.
 

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I have never said he hasn't been backed. I say that we have to buy more. And any manager that comes will have to buy. I don't get this sudden liking for Smalling. Don't people look at Roma games? He is still same old Smalling except that he plays in a league where it is easier to defend. I like his personality and he could have been here as backup but stating that Maguire is at best modest upgrade is for me wrong. Maguire is a leader. He don't shy away from duties and never hides. He has his negative sides but is lot better then Smalling.

Yes, I do point at patience. Because it is important. Any other manager that comes have to have time. If you put Guardiola in United he would need time. Whoever you put needs time. And time is not one year. I, for example, thought vanGaal needed more time and should have been given. Mourinho would have had more time if he didn't "sacked himself". Like every other project you need time. If you are a baby you need time to learn to walk. If you are buliding a house you need time to build. Now, there is other factors that make time more or less long. Like owners. Like managers. But however you turn it, you need time.

Style? Winning back ball early. Possesion (almost every game we have had more %) and trying fast fluid football when attacking. Not hard to see. Do we have players for that? Not really. And when injuries come we are struggling even more. But saying we don't have system? I don't want to go and make myself as some football guru but it is not that hard to see what Solskjaer is trying and what is lacking for his plan to work the best way.
I want some of what you're smoking because that is pure fantasy.
 

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Smalling Rojo and Sanchez will all come back and it will be hard to shift them because of their wages. This notion that Ole removed lots of deadwood is misleading. The only deadwood shifted on a permanent basis are Fellaini and Young.
But with more time he might have got Sanchez out on a 2 year loan and only have us paying 30% of his wages instead of half. He just needs time to clear the deadwood properly.

Am I doing this right?
 

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But with more time he might have got Sanchez out on a 2 year loan and only have us paying 30% of his wages instead of half. He just needs time to clear the deadwood properly.

Am I doing this right?
You sure are. Let's also assume Herrera and Lukaku were deadwood even though neither were replaced and both would walk into our team today
 

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Lukaku
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Smalling, Sanchez and Rojo will all be back soon. Herrera and Lukaku havent been replaced. It's all very well getting rid of first team players without replacing them. In addition Herrera and Lukaku would walk into our first XI today
 

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I have never said he hasn't been backed. I say that we have to buy more. And any manager that comes will have to buy. I don't get this sudden liking for Smalling. Don't people look at Roma games? He is still same old Smalling except that he plays in a league where it is easier to defend. I like his personality and he could have been here as backup but stating that Maguire is at best modest upgrade is for me wrong. Maguire is a leader. He don't shy away from duties and never hides. He has his negative sides but is lot better then Smalling.

Yes, I do point at patience. Because it is important. Any other manager that comes have to have time. If you put Guardiola in United he would need time. Whoever you put needs time. And time is not one year. I, for example, thought vanGaal needed more time and should have been given. Mourinho would have had more time if he didn't "sacked himself". Like every other project you need time. If you are a baby you need time to learn to walk. If you are buliding a house you need time to build. Now, there is other factors that make time more or less long. Like owners. Like managers. But however you turn it, you need time.

Style? Winning back ball early. Possesion (almost every game we have had more %) and trying fast fluid football when attacking. Not hard to see. Do we have players for that? Not really. And when injuries come we are struggling even more. But saying we don't have system? I don't want to go and make myself as some football guru but it is not that hard to see what Solskjaer is trying and what is lacking for his plan to work the best way.
Time and patience are irrelevant if you have picked the wrong manager and someone who isn’t competent enough to do the job.
 

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Time and patience are irrelevant if you have picked the wrong manager and someone who isn’t competent enough to do the job.
Time and patience with the wrong manager can also cause even more damage, that will take us longer to recover. I suspect Ole will leave at the end of the season. March in particular looks a tough month in terms of fixtures.
 

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You sure are. Let's also assume Herrera and Lukaku were deadwood even though neither were replaced and both would walk into our team today


Shhhhh, don't go speaking sense man. Herrera was our best midfielder to be honest, in terms of consistency, effort and talent combined - second best on paper after Pogba. Herrera is twice the player Scott and Fred are. Not replaced. Lukaku had flaws and needed to be sold, but was still our only true goal-scorer in the squad - not replaced. It's no surprise we are where we are.
 

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I would just like to add that I accept everyone may have different opinions, that is expected and also welcomed. However, what is not is the tern 'Top Red'

I am a Manchester United supporter. I have been for over 40 years. I have seen success and failure in equal measure from the stands.

This term 'Top Red' is thrown around by idiots many of whom have never even been to OT.

I don't care what anyone says in pixels and lights on an internet forum. I care about the club 100%

If you don't like my opinion, that's fine. Disagree as much as you like,. Just stop with the Top Red shit. It's patheetic and uncalled for and just makes those who use it look like fecking idiots.
 

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At best 3 of those players were first teamers.
That wasn't the question though. It was around Ole's comment about a squad overhaul and we are in the midst of doing exactly that. 8 first team squad out - 5 in. By August it could well be 11 out - 8 in, or even better. That's a pretty significant upheaval to a squad in 3 transfer windows, and we will be much the better for it. The wage bill could end up being reduced by up to €100m a season, and all of a sudden we have a completely different look and feel to this squad. Then the challenge is turning that into results. That's where Ole proves whether he can take us to the next level or not - at least in my books anyway.
 

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I would just like to add that I accept everyone may have different opinions, that is expected and also welcomed. However, what is not is the tern 'Top Red'

I am a Manchester United supporter. I have been for over 40 years. I have seen success and failure in equal measure from the stands.

This term 'Top Red' is thrown around by idiots many of whom have never even been to OT.

I don't care what anyone says in pixels and lights on an internet forum. I care about the club 100%

If you don't like my opinion, that's fine. Disagree as much as you like,. Just stop with the Top Red shit. It's patheetic and uncalled for and just makes those who use it look like fecking idiots.
What about the term 'Ole haters' - what's your stance on this particular term? Works both ways. Both terms are utter shit, but don't try pretend these silly terms come solely from one side.
 

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I didn't say he threw away cup competitions, I said he was so focused on finishing 2nd he viewed them as an inconvenience, and if you listened to his pre/post match pressers(Bristol City/Sevilla)if you were in the wide-awake club you'd have picked up on that as well. It's not a slight on Mourinho because Managers have been doing similar since Adam was a lad.
You're shifting the goalposts again, the original post of yours which I quoted was in response to another poster saying how the squad Ole inherited finished 2nd. Then you trotted out that ridiculous justification of him focusing on league to achieve that, while viewing cup competitions as 'inconvenience' (whatever the feck that means, since you've devolved that into a semantics debate)

Which me and others have already pointed out to you is not true because Mourinho is one of the few managers in recent times who takes those cup competitions seriously, evident by the strength of the side he puts out in those fixtures. Just look a the XI he put out in 16/17 season in our run to winning League Cup. The following season, we made deep run in domestic competitions, and finished 2nd because we had a good squad with a competent manager who hadn't completely lost his marbles. Not sure why that is so hard for you to comprehend.
 

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I would just like to add that I accept everyone may have different opinions, that is expected and also welcomed. However, what is not is the tern 'Top Red'

I am a Manchester United supporter. I have been for over 40 years. I have seen success and failure in equal measure from the stands.

This term 'Top Red' is thrown around by idiots many of whom have never even been to OT.

I don't care what anyone says in pixels and lights on an internet forum. I care about the club 100%

If you don't like my opinion, that's fine. Disagree as much as you like,. Just stop with the Top Red shit. It's patheetic and uncalled for and just makes those who use it look like fecking idiots.
Lines like that certainly come across as top ready though, and I've been to OT loads of times so I must be allowed to say.

Your first post was very sanctimonious though.
 

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I would just like to add that I accept everyone may have different opinions, that is expected and also welcomed. However, what is not is the tern 'Top Red'

I am a Manchester United supporter. I have been for over 40 years. I have seen success and failure in equal measure from the stands.

This term 'Top Red' is thrown around by idiots many of whom have never even been to OT.

I don't care what anyone says in pixels and lights on an internet forum. I care about the club 100%

If you don't like my opinion, that's fine. Disagree as much as you like,. Just stop with the Top Red shit. It's patheetic and uncalled for and just makes those who use it look like fecking idiots.
So you don't like being labeled with the term Top Red then you go on and tell us straight in face we aren't fans but glory hunters? The irony is so strong with this one.

Yeah. Go Poch..

Wioooo

You're not fans


You're glory hunters.
 

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Well done for proving my point.

You all ignore the majority of my post to pick what you disagree with.

Yes Sir Alex was more experienced and successful, but so what?

Ole is ticking every single box except winning.BUT, he's got a clear vision and thankfully it appears the board and owners can see that.

You're all screaming out for Pach the same as you were screaming our for Jose. The same as you were screaming for Moyes to be sacked.

You all want instant success. None of you understand or appreciate the club the way Ole does. He gets it. He lives and breathes it. Klopp didn't win shit at Liverpool for nearly 2 years.

You're saying that this is a different age of football, and I agree. It's sad. It's full of Impatient wanabees who expect and demand success instantly and if they don't get it they slag the manager and club. If they don't get the transfer they want they slag the manager and club and even riot outside and vandelize the house of our Chief executive. THEY ARE NOT UNITED FANS!


Manchester United does not have the divine right to win. We do however continue to promote important values such as playing and promoting yourh.

There is more to life than winning, That said, winning is important, but if you can't see what Ole is trying to do, and you a want a quick fix (That hasn't worked with Moyes, LvG and Jose) and you want to entrust it all with someone who has won feck all, and has no idea of United's history, hasn't played for them, given his blood, sweat and tears and played under the most successful manager of all time.

Yeah. Go Poch..

Wioooo

You're not fans


You're glory hunters.
You're having a massive mare here lang, just throw your PC out of the window for your own sake.