Just watched it. Amazing. After 2 years he is still talking about bumps on the road. But i give him one thing; he is clever fecker. He always, when results are bad, casually throws some excuses without saying them as excuses. Like today when he reminded all how we beat RB and PSG. Or how it is a long term process etc...
To me we bought him based on reputation and on autopilot considering we needed one and we have been looking at him the Summer before. We, once again, put zero thought whether or not he will fit in a different formation and style of play.
It really isn'tJust watched it. Amazing. After 2 years he is still talking about bumps on the road. But i give him one thing; he is clever fecker. He always, when results are bad, casually throws some excuses without saying them as excuses. Like today when he reminded all how we beat RB and PSG. Or how it is a long term process etc...
I would take Moyes back right now. His football is at least more exciting with billion crosses
Easy to say. Very few people wanted Dunk in here. But I agree that his signings is terrible value for money but that's just Maguire. I don't think anybody was complaining about Awb for 45m back then
Well when you're comparing it against Ole, I can't blame him.
Lot of people said that AWB is poor on the ball and is overpriced. But again, people have different opinions and Ole should have used his best judgment . If this is what his best judgment is, then God save us.
Completely agree with you. Ole knows Woodward will give him more time else it will look as another Woodward mistake. I wish as a legend Ole understand club is not going forward and offer to resign than dragging it on.Just watched it. Amazing. After 2 years he is still talking about bumps on the road. But i give him one thing; he is clever fecker. He always, when results are bad, casually throws some excuses without saying them as excuses. Like today when he reminded all how we beat RB and PSG. Or how it is a long term process etc...
I would take Moyes back right now. His football is at least more exciting with billion crosses
Join the club. Even journalists are asking how he is feeling? The manager of Manchester United being so defeatist, it's so embarrassing.
Because Ole failing means no one can succeed.
People did. Thought he and James were athletes and not technical enough for a team who wanted to play an expansive style. AWB somewhat redeemed himself as I didn't expect him to be that good defensively but hated last summer's transfer business in its entirety. Could see it from a mile away that we were overlooking how they would fit in. Double for Maguire
What does that mean? This squad of players is much better than what we're seeing. Ole failing means he's incompetent. If we hire a better manager we won't improve?
Because we've seen it enough times before now. We overrate the players we do have and still have glaring weaknesses in the squad. So there isn't a manager that gives me any great hope that we'll be much different to now especially in the short term.
Ah fair enough
Sack him too? I don't understand this logic. You don't reward failure. Among Woodward Glazers and the Manager when all three of these positions are underperforming only one position can change unfortunately
Sure you can. Moyes was working with the league winners, with players like Rio, Vidic, Carrick, RvP, Rooney, Evra, Giggs. He inherited a team with a winning mentality, and drove them away as well as firing the coaching staff who’ve been a part of a serial winning outfit. Ole’s had to try to reinstall a semblance of that mentality, and it’s a tall order.
Yeah Menuier was my first choice for RB, i think he would have been a good short term option that would fill thr gap then allow us to go back into the market when a more suitable RB was available. I like AWB but i think he suited to a team that dont want to have possession.
This would only make sense if Ole had this kind of track record as a coach but the point is, he doesn't. He is an experienced coach in minor leagues (no disrespect as I see you're in Oslo) but, in the same same way a major corporation hires it's senior people from other major corporations, it's unprecedented to jump from the Eliteserien to the Premier League.
The right man can make a huge difference though. Getting more out of players we have, getting the right players in. There are no magic solutions. It's a matter of good, hard work. Getting a manager who can do that would be a major step forward. Without one, we really won't get anywhere.
Well according to past managers Depay, Di Maria, Fred to name 3 I know of where not wanted by the Manager when the club signed them. So I do not trust Woodward and the board.
People honestly believe no manager can succeed at United under Woodward rather than accepting that the biggest problem our board has isn't damaging the managers chances of success - but just appointing the wrong men.
Yeah, Liverpool had plenty of false dawns and they were complaining about their owners being leeches as well until they signed Klopp and he transformed their club around.
Its so easy to blame Moyes but the fact is LVG pretty much had the same squad after an year and yet, he failed. Jose and LVG had enough money to make us champions again. Point is, SAF was a phenomenon who created champions out of nothing.
Wow. There you are again. That’s three times you posted since last Christmas. Burnley loss, Tottenham hammering and now, when you smell more blood! Where were you after PSG and RBL?
True, but to be fair to United - there's never a right, clear way to choose a manager. The biggest, best run clubs in the world get it wrong. We just have to keep trying and hopefully with better knowledge about what potholes to avoid based on our last four selections.
He's obviously not been on here then!
I'm not blind pal, I'm aware they're a useless bunch of twats. However, my point is that the decision to give Ole the job under zero pressure is probably the clearest example of sheer incompetence since 2013. Maybe Moyes was worse, however sadly Fergie had a big say in that particular episode.
Yeah, but they don't wait till it's too late before doing the inevitable.
Ole played maguire immediately, he played him in almost every game and he made him captain at record time. He is Ole's signing
Is it? It’s not the Premier League, but Guardiola and Zidane certainly made a crazy jump. Not saying automatically Ole’s on their level, but to call that sort of thing unprecedented doesn’t fly with me.
Minus Evra, Rio, and Vidic, a significant part of our spine. They were on the way down, but I think we would have benefitted from keeping them a bit longer.
An 'autopilot' signing wouldn't make his way to first team from day 1. He wouldn't end up playing most of the games and he'll certainly wouldn't end up club captain in record time. Ole wanted Maguire and he wanted him desperately. Actually I think that things worked in the opposite way.
Yep, that's an issue as well.
As you say, it's not the PL. I can't think of any examples of Pep/Zidane in the PL which is kind of the point, they are complete outliers and from a very different league.
