Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[EireRed_GS]

Even if they do sack him. its just shifting the blame again. I feel sorry for Ole, because its not really his fault. Poison chalice of a job. Ed will prob go all out to get Poch (if he actually wanted to come) , and there could be a bit of an improvement, but ultimately we will be back here in a years time arguing with each other with some calling for the managers head. We are a mess from top to bottom. I would love a DoF that has no previous ties to the club, just so he has no reasons to pander to the club/executives, and just focus on doing the job the best possible.

We are heading for a situation where its becoming glaring obvious to everyone looking in, that the manager has a near impossible task under the disastrous United hierarchy. After a while any manager with a half decent reputation will steer well clear of United.

 

[coolredwine]

Why? what has he done to get the job?

We need to stop handing out jobs at United for fun.

Ed: "Ole you were a brilliant player, everyone loves you, but you failed as a manager, but here you go you can have DOF instead"

Why reward someone for failures?

8 games into a 38 game league with a paper thin squad and half of the starting XI out injured but hey, ho, manager has failed already.

 

[Skills]

After a few bad results, Lyon have already sacked their recent manager who they appointed after Ole. Aulas is ruthless like that

They probably just sacked their Alex Ferguson

 

[Enigma_87]

8 games into a 38 game league with a paper thin squad and half of the starting XI out injured but hey, ho, manager has failed already.

4 wins in last 17 games in Premier league.

Relegation sides sack their managers with a run like that.

You have very low limit for failure. Maybe he can put us in the Championship?

 

[romufc]

8 games into a 38 game league with a paper thin squad and half of the starting XI out injured but hey, ho, manager has failed already.

You can sugar coat it anyway you like.

We have dropped points with Martial, Shaw, AWB, Pogba in the team.

Not like we looked like world beaters then either.

1/2 shots on target is yes the managers fault.

Letting players go is yes the managers decision.

No improvement in style of football.. yes the manager's fault.

Losing at home to Palace with the whole squad, draw to Wolves, Draw to Southampton.

We are not the only team with injuries, you cannot expect a team to be fit all season.

 

[coolredwine]

4 wins in last 17 games in Premier league.

Relegation sides sack their managers with a run like that.

You have very low limit for failure. Maybe he can put us in the Championship?

You can sugar coat it anyway you like.

We have dropped points with Martial, Shaw, AWB, Pogba in the team.

Not like we looked like world beaters then either.

1/2 shots on target is yes the managers fault.

Letting players go is yes the managers decision.

No improvement in style of football.. yes the manager's fault.

Losing at home to Palace with the whole squad, draw to Wolves, Draw to Southampton.

We are not the only team with injuries, you cannot expect a team to be fit all season.

So...if/when the results don't improve after the next 17 games with a new manager in, you are gonna sack him to again for another re-start. What's the play here?

 

[romufc]

So...if/when the results don't improve after the next 17 games with a new manager in, you are gonna sack him to again for another re-start. What's the play here?

There are two things here.. results and performances and we are getting neither.

It is results business, yes you sack the manager if it is not working.

 

[Enigma_87]

So...if/when the results don't improve after the next 17 games with a new manager in, you are gonna sack him to again for another re-start. What's the play here?

I've already put up this statistics. Ole's run is just terrible. Only a few managers in the history of PL has reached such astonishingly shit results in such space of time and usually that's relegation battlers.

If Ole is still at helm and doesn't manage to win in the next 4-5 games he could prove to be one of the worst appointments in the history of English football that survived 20 games as permanent manager.

It's not just a bad run - it's diabolical.

You hire Alan Shearer and you know he's shit, do you give him 2 more years if you are Newcastle?

 

[NJM78]

8 games into a 38 game league with a paper thin squad and half of the starting XI out injured but hey, ho, manager has failed already.

Ole total as manager/interim;

P40 W19 D9 L12 for 56 against 46 (GD = +10)

47.5% win rate.

Its not great and the worst of any manager since SAF.

However Ole as our permanent manager has a record of;

P21 W5 D6 L10 for 18 against 27 (GD = -9)

23.8% win rate.

It is shockingly bad and if/when he gets the boot it will be justified. Yes we have shit owner, shit CEO and shit injury luck BUT we also have a pretty shit manager, with his only premier league experience being that of helping get a side relegated.

A lot of people need to get out of this club, he is certainly one of them.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

To those who have an opinion on the matter, do you see sacking Ole as a solution to the problem or as a sort of punishment for how bad his team has been playing?

The latter. And it's nothing new that hasn't happened before either. It's just that the anomaly that was Ferguson kept our fanbase inside a golden bubble from which we could nonchalantly sit and watch all the other big clubs going through the motions and trying to rediscover the right chemistry between the manager and the team that would ignite their spark once again. Rinse and repeat. The worrying thing is that, although the vast majority of our fanbase acknowledges that the club is in dire need of total restructuring, we're still seeing any new manager as the new Ferguson while we know that Sir Alex's greatest achievement was that he never let the rot set in.

The job of the manager is twofold: Instill a vision, provide a direction and make improvements is one thing. But, on the other hand, the manager has to know that he's fighting a war of attrition. This is the nature of human relationships. You must be able to overcome the minor obstacles, to come up with short-term solutions that will keep the spirits high, to deal with setbacks (like an injury crisis), to find alternatives to deal with your bad planning (the vision might still be there but there are short and mid-term plans to get there) etc. In other words, it's the epitome of a job where you have to plan for the future by constantly worrying about the present.

Both LvG and Mourinho were good coaches. They have won 3 CL titles, 2 EL/UEFA titles and multiples league titles in major leagues between them. LvG has an excellent record with young players while Mourinho is known for pushing a squad's capabilities to the maximum in his 2/3 year cycles. They both tried their best but they both reached the point of no return at United. The point where they looked devoid of ideas and the squad looked devoid of any confidence in themselves and the plan. And this is the point when you know you must cut the chord. And despite what some people argue about proven CVs not making a difference, these two won trophies and got CL qualification before they capitulated. And they both have admitted that their sacking wasn't unwarranted. This is the nature of the job.

I once read somewhere that "patience is the curse of longevity. It can lure its ageless victim into solemnness until the flesh itself rots off and the skull rolls free". When the results are as bad as they can get, you must act even if the person who will take the fall has the best of intentions.

 

[Reynoldo]

The latter. And it's nothing new that hasn't happened before either. It's just that the anomaly that was Ferguson kept our fanbase inside a golden bubble from which we could nonchalantly sit and watch all the other big clubs going through the motions and trying to rediscover the right chemistry between the manager and the team that would ignite their spark once again. Rinse and repeat. The worrying thing is that, although the vast majority of our fanbase acknowledges that the club is in dire need of total restructuring, we're still seeing any new manager as the new Ferguson while we know that Sir Alex's greatest achievement was that he never let the rot set in.

The job of the manager is twofold: Instill a vision, provide a direction and make improvements is one thing. But, on the other hand, the manager has to know that he's fighting a war of attrition. This is the nature of human relationships. You must be able to overcome the minor obstacles, to come up with short-term solutions that will keep the spirits high, to deal with setbacks (like an injury crisis), to find alternatives to deal with your bad planning (the vision might still be there but there are short and mid-term plans to get there) etc. In other words, it's the epitome of a job where you have to plan for the future by constantly worrying about the present.

Both LvG and Mourinho were good coaches. They have won 3 CL titles, 2 EL/UEFA titles and multiples league titles in major leagues between them. LvG has an excellent record with young players while Mourinho is known for pushing a squad's capabilities to the maximum in his 2/3 year cycles. They both tried their best but they both reached the point of no return at United. The point where they looked devoid of ideas and the squad looked devoid of any confidence in themselves and the plan. And this is the point when you know you must cut the chord. And despite what some people argue about proven CVs not making a difference, these two won trophies and got CL qualification before they capitulated. And they both have admitted that their sacking wasn't unwarranted. This is the nature of the job.

I once read somewhere that "patience is the curse of longevity. It can lure its ageless victim into solemnness until the flesh itself rots off and the skull rolls free". When the results are as bad as they can get, you must act even if the person who will take the fall has the best of intentions.

Well said, the bottom line is at a club of this stature (even if you are playing the long game to fix the culture issue at the club) the results do and always will matter. We are in free fall at the moment and while who is to blame has been done to death ultimately the manager has to get results with his current crop of players regardless of circumstances. It is painfully obvious to everyone (including himself which is very sad to see) that he's just not up to the job. I can't remember which journalist it was on the Totally Football Show podcast but he posed a very harrowing question regarding Ole - How far would you have to go down the leagues from the very top of the premier league to find a club whose set of fans would actually be happy with appointing Ole given his managerial experience? He went as far as Millwall in the championship by the way and argued that no other premier league club would be happy with his appointment and I have to agree. Also (and this might be a different podcast as I was half asleep listening to them on baba duty) someone else made the point the winning the league with Molde was the equivalent of winning League 1 in the UK according to the relevant numbers they had to compare leagues around Europe.

 

[coolredwine]

if you watch the side and wonder what on earth they do in training every week and players seem to be shot on confidence and injuries are piling up.

The same trend has followed every manager since SAF...especially LvG and Mourinho and now under Ole. Wonder how all 3 managers are struggling with the same thing.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

After a few bad results, Lyon have already sacked their recent manager who they appointed after Ole. Aulas is ruthless like that

Fans on these boards will be clamouring for Sylvinho to replace Ole. I notice Wenger is favourite to take over. Don't do it Arsene you are needed here, at least temporary.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

Polls were opposite last match. Come on lads you cant just change you're opinion on a wim.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

Polls were opposite last match. Come on lads you cant just change you're opinion on a wim.

It was only a small minority who changed their opinions. Most stayed the same. Only need small swings to make big changes.

 

[b82REZ]

So...if/when the results don't improve after the next 17 games with a new manager in, you are gonna sack him to again for another re-start. What's the play here?

When do start making managers accountable for the results? Approximately 25% win rate since being made permanent is relegation from and would not e tolerated anywhere else, let alone at supposedly the biggest club in the world.

If there were green shoots of a progressive style of play evident people would be more patient, but there's nothing. We have regressed so far its unreal and nothing suggests Ole can stop it as it's only gotten worse under his management.

We need to stop this sentimentalism. If we were under Jose still no one would want him to stay with that win rate. Ole being a playing legend shouldn't give him special dispensation from criticism. He needs to be held accountable for this shit show.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

Well said, the bottom line is at a club of this stature (even if you are playing the long game to fix the culture issue at the club) the results do and always will matter. We are in free fall at the moment and while who is to blame has been done to death ultimately the manager has to get results with his current crop of players regardless of circumstances. It is painfully obvious to everyone (including himself which is very sad to see) that he's just not up to the job. I can't remember which journalist it was on the Totally Football Show podcast but he posed a very harrowing question regarding Ole - How far would you have to go down the leagues from the very top of the premier league to find a club whose set of fans would actually be happy with appointing Ole given his managerial experience? He went as far as Millwall in the championship by the way and argued that no other premier league club would be happy with his appointment and I have to agree. Also (and this might be a different podcast as I was half asleep listening to them on baba duty) someone else made the point the winning the league with Molde was the equivalent of winning League 1 in the UK according to the relevant numbers they had to compare leagues around Europe.

In professional, competitive sports everything is based on results one way or the other and it doesn't matter if you're competing for the highest prizes or if you're fighting to avoid relegation. Di Matteo wasn't the man to rebuild Chelsea and take them forward but he won the CL with them and so he was given a fair crack of the whip. A few months later, he got the sack justifiably. First, they did the honourable thing and then they took the most sensible decision.

But, for whatever reason, doing the sensible thing is seemingly something that eludes our board of directors and a portion of our fanbase seems concerned about "the shame" of sacking a club legend midway through the season. To this, i answer: Look right in front of you. Feck the results, hasn't it already reached the point where you dread the next game? It happened with Moyes, LvG and Mourinho. Ole's a good man, a true fan and a part of our best memories of the club. But it just isn't working and the man already looks like he's aged a decade in the space of 10 months. There's nothing else to be done here.

Chelsea might not get top-four this season but Lampard has managed to keep them fresh. Their fans go into matches not with high expectations but with the belief that they will watch a good, competitive and entertaining game of football. They are wondering how high is the floor for their youngsters and how good can their side become when Roman presents Lampard with a good transfer budget next summer. That's why i talked about not allowing the rot to set in being as important as having a clear vision. With the most ardent Ole supporters, this talk exists only in the sphere of fantasy: He gets the club, he promotes youth, he has a long-term vision while we have reverted to the most negative of tactics, our best academy product looks at his absolute worst and we're just two points above the relegation zone while TrueGeordie can't believe how a piss-poor Newcastle side under Bruce beat United rather convincingly.

 

[RedFish]

Sack him, thanks for 99 though.

 

[Roboc7]

Even if Ed is replaced I'm pretty sure it will be closer to investment banker rather than a footballing guy. I'm not sure why everyone seems to think that it would be better.
The problem is not the CEO but the lack of DoF. I wouldn't trust the Glazers to hire a better CEO that would change our fortunes.

We need a DoF and the CEO to do all the other non-football related stuff.

That being said Ole is still one of the main problems - he's terribly out of depth and is making the squad/team worse with every week.

Why wouldn’t people want Ed gone?. I don’t think people are assuming it will be better if Ed goes just that nothing will change if he doesn’t which we have 6 years of proof of.

Your talking about a DOF but it would be Woodward appointing him, he’s been looking for about a year now and either can’t or won’t employ one. The CEO isn’t the only problem but he’s one of the biggest as so much leads back to him.

 

[matt10000]

Why wouldn’t people want Ed gone?. I don’t think people are assuming it will be better if Ed goes just that nothing will change if he doesn’t which we have 6 years of proof of.

Your talking about a DOF but it would be Woodward appointing him?, he’s been looking for about a year now and either can’t or won’t employ one. The CEO isn’t the only problem but he’s one of the biggest as so much leads back to him.

Things haven't worked out so we have tried to replace SAF many times but only tried to replace David Gill once. We need to redress that balance.

 

[el3mel]

8 games into a 38 game league with a paper thin squad and half of the starting XI out injured but hey, ho, manager has failed already.

It started like this in every season we ended up missing on top 4. "OH look we are still early, still a long time ahead and we will succeed". Then matches keep going and nothing improve at the end. This time it will be relegation fight, not even not being able to just ge top4.

 

[Enigma_87]

Why wouldn’t people want Ed gone?. I don’t think people are assuming it will be better if Ed goes just that nothing will change if he doesn’t which we have 6 years of proof of.

Your talking about a DOF but it would be Woodward appointing him, he’s been looking for about a year now and either can’t or won’t employ one. The CEO isn’t the only problem but he’s one of the biggest as so much leads back to him.

I too want him replaced, don't get me wrong. Replacing him is a good solution for us long term. He's hampering us in that respect but Ole is hampering us in short term too. Ideally both should be gone ASAP.

 

[AltiUn]

It started like this in every season we ended up missing on top 4. "OH look we are still early, still a long time ahead and we will succeed". Then matches keep going and nothing improve at the end. This time it will be relegation fight, not even not being able to just ge top4.

Agreed, we’re just recognising the signs a bit sooner than we usually do. The odds of us actually improving look very slim and if we don’t improve then we could be facing serious issues.

 

[Class of 63]

If you asked any neutral fan they were laughing when we made Ole permanent saying it was a mistake, and they're still laughing now. Honestly, if anything we've gained some pity in a weird way.

And stop with the name calling, I'm sure you're old enough to know better.

Not buying that, if anything it was the neutrals saying United have to give Ole the job now during the winning sequence that got him the full-time position in the first place, and no it wasn't because they knew it would go tits up as soon as he'd signed as some would like to claim now.

Feck me i'm getting lectured by somebody calling themselves Judas

 

[Class of 63]

That's not the point.

The point is that Moyes was so out of depth that he was showing videos of Jagielka to Ferdinand and Vidic - two of the most accomplished center backs of their generation. It shows how much Moyes knew about top level football. It shows what an absolutely horrific decision it was to appoint him. But you - and Neville - think he should have been persisted with.

No all it shows is the senior pros who thought they knew everything weren't open to knew ideas, Moyes wasn't suggesting Jagielka was better at defending than Rio and Vida ffs.

 

[MisterLupus]

Polls were opposite last match. Come on lads you cant just change you're opinion on a wim.

In fairness not a lot of people have changed - there are just plenty more who've voted. I guess they were sitting on the fence and the Newcastle result finally pushed them over. Can't say I blame them - if it hadn't been for the hillarious commentators mocking or offense brilliantly throughout the game I'd probably fall into a deep depression watching that spectacle as well. I never thought I'd experience Lee Dixon saving my day

 

[SaintMuppet]

I would walk to Ed, and tell him, listen Ed, I dont think I am the right person, I love this club and I dont want to ruin it, If we can reach to an agreement that I get the rest of this year's contract, I can go in a mutual agreement. Nobody will blame him for ruining the club because he wants his payoff, because it is his right. But he cant call himself a club legend anymore and expect the same respect from the fans, it's either or.

Possibly that could happen. Personally I think you would hold out for your contract like most normal folk would. I’m putting my family security before what any fan thinks and bollox to my legendary status. That status does not pay the bills and send my kids to school.

 

[Class of 63]

The laughable thing here man is it's actually YOU that would be best advised finding a new club to support because the owners are about to axe your boy from his management gig. This is no longer the club you love mate, the board are proving it every year. Ole is gone. There IS no loyalty at MUFC anymore, either accept it or move on to a different club!

I hear you, but i've invested too much money, time, blood, sweat and tears into the club to switch now.

 

[Eric7C]

No all it shows is the senior pros who thought they knew everything weren't open to knew ideas, Moyes wasn't suggesting Jagielka was better at defending than Rio and Vida ffs.

Rio and Vidic definitely knew more than Moyes. Sorry.

Edit: new ideas

 

[Class of 63]

Ahh, the old this didn't happen to Fergie line. Stop living in the past. Its 2019 not 1989. You are not the only supporter that lived through the lean years so get off your high horse and see what's right in front of you.

Any neutral fan recognises that Ole should be no where near the top job at our club, but keep convincing yourself you're the only true fan because you will stick by poor managers.

Fergie was an anomaly and football has changed a lot in 30 years. You cannot show zero improvement while asking for time to implement ideas.

Ole has shown nothing, no tactics, playing style or a management style that suggests he has the dressing room. He currently cant motivate a bunch of kids to play.

Unless you're a bloody idiot you'd know that the views on RedCafe or any forum where 'United' fans congregate isn't a true reflection on how many United fans actually feel, if that was the case Old Trafford would be half empty every home game.

So you can sod off with the high horse/true fan bollocks, and whilst i'm on the forum I will defend my right not to be a friggin sheep when the ankle-snappers pounce, cheers.

 

[b82REZ]

Not buying that, if anything it was the neutrals saying United have to give Ole the job now during the winning sequence that got him the full-time position in the first place, and no it wasn't because they knew it would go tits up as soon as he'd signed as some would like to claim now.

Feck me i'm getting lectured by somebody calling themselves Judas

What are you on about?

Every single neutral fan is saying we need to get rid and find someone we can back for 2/3 years who has real pedigree.

Most of the keep votes on here will be from opposition fans, not because they think we should give him more time but because they can see the mess he's created and continues to create the longer he's in charge.

You have this crazy, romantic idea of how our club should be run because that worked once 30 years a go. Cannot you not grasp that was an anomaly and the reason SAF was given more time was because he had the pedigree Ole lacks.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

No all it shows is the senior pros who thought they knew everything weren't open to knew ideas, Moyes wasn't suggesting Jagielka was better at defending than Rio and Vida ffs.

You really need to get over Moyes by now and stop being a super fan and defending the catalyst to all this shite we’ve been through, it’s been six years, time to move on.

 

[Eric7C]

What are you on about?

Every single neutral fan is saying we need to get rid and find someone we can back for 2/3 years who has real pedigree.

Most of the keep votes on here will be from opposition fans, not because they think we should give him more time but because they can see the mess he's created and continues to create the longer he's in charge.

You have this crazy, romantic idea of how our club should be run because that worked once 30 years a go. Cannot you not grasp that was an anomaly and the reason SAF was given more time was because he had the pedigree Ole lacks.

Wouldn't bother if I were you, he's on a self-righteous trip.

 

[b82REZ]

Unless you're a bloody idiot you'd know that the views on RedCafe or any forum where 'United' fans congregate isn't a true reflection on how many United fans actually feel, if that was the case Old Trafford would be half empty every home game.

So you can sod off with the high horse/true fan bollocks, and whilst i'm on the forum I will defend my right not to be a friggin sheep when the ankle-snappers pounce, cheers.

If you think I'm referring to the consensus on the caf from rivals you couldn't be more wrong, although I have noticed plenty saying he needs to go.

I work with mainly City fans and they are loving our situation because they can see the mess Ole has created and continues to create. They don't fear him or his masterplan. They want him to stay because he's dragging us into mid table obscurity. Their reasons for wanting him to stay differ widely from your romantic ideals. The objective oppo fans all agree they would want him gone if they were in our shows. Ffs I even had a County fan tell me he's out of his depth.

Also the mood around OT is anything but positive. There were a lot of rumblings in the Stretty during Astana and that only grew during the Rochdale match. Our Fan's tend not to be too vocal in booing the manager or team, but they definitely recognise the dire situation we find ourselves in.

 

[Class of 63]

The same neutrals and opposition fans who were in hysterics at the unadulterated idiocy of giving Ole the job in the first place. Loving every extra minute that United continue to let the Ole managerial rot fester.

Go and canvas fans of Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, City, Bayern, Dortmund, Barca, Real, Atletico, Juve, PSG and see if any of them would be happy giving the managers job to a rank amateur like Ole with nothing on their cv, and if they'd be happy keeping him on after he drives them down into relegation form.

Opposition fans in hysterics at our current plight? Well i'll go to the foot of our stairs.

All the clubs you mentioned have employed rank amateurs before, Pep @ Barca, ZZ @ Real Madrid, I could go on and you know I could, and oh yeah Frank Lampard says HI

We're only 8 games into the new season, calm your knickers and let's see where we are at Christmas.

 

[Judas]

Opposition fans in hysterics at our current plight? Well i'll go to the foot of our stairs.

All the clubs you mentioned have employed rank amateurs before, Pep @ Barca, ZZ @ Real Madrid, I could go on and you know I could, and oh yeah Frank Lampard says HI

We're only 8 games into the new season, calm your knickers and let's see where we are at Christmas.

What excuse will make you then if by some chance Ole is still in the job by then and we're still this much of a mess.

 

[0le]

Opposition fans in hysterics at our current plight? Well i'll go to the foot of our stairs.

All the clubs you mentioned have employed rank amateurs before, Pep @ Barca, ZZ @ Real Madrid, I could go on and you know I could, and oh yeah Frank Lampard says HI

We're only 8 games into the new season, calm your knickers and let's see where we are at Christmas.

Its true to a certain extent, but all those clubs had a strong structure in place to help those managers succeed. We do not have that at this club. The only exception is Chelsea and that is probably because they had no better alternatives given the transfer window issues. Also Lampard had done a reasonable job at Derby - Ole failed miserably at Cardiff.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Opposition fans in hysterics at our current plight? Well i'll go to the foot of our stairs.

All the clubs you mentioned have employed rank amateurs before, Pep @ Barca, ZZ @ Real Madrid, I could go on and you know I could, and oh yeah Frank Lampard says HI

We're only 8 games into the new season, calm your knickers and let's see where we are at Christmas.

Frank Lampard says ‘ hi I’ve implemented more of an identity on my team & not lost every match in the process’

Ole needs to go now. Why as a club can’t we be pro active rather than reactive all the time when the season is fcked

He should’ve gone same day or day after Newcastle result

 

[R'hllor]

What excuse will make you then if by some chance Ole is still in the job by then and we're still this much of a mess.

Its a same good shit, you express your issues in a pre season period, people like that and we have them few, call them moaners, laugh at them, they being marked as non supporters etc. Just depend of period when people have issues, if its end of the season, they will say at least give a pre season a chance and then moan. You do it at pre season seeing things not looking well on the pitch, they do the same just switch to "season didnt even start yet ". Season starts and we look clueless as they come, they switch to Xmas.

This has nothing to do with Ole in or Ole out, just for years now, this fake pricks, roaming around this place, trying to sell their wisdom like they have any, spouting same drivel, mocking other posters who have concerns regarding certain things and then put "" just to seal it.

 

[Class of 63]

Rio and Vidic definitely knew more than Moyes. Sorry.

Edit: new ideas

You should be sorry because you're wrong, as if Rio and Vida knew more about formations and setting-up at a team than a Manager with a decades experience in the Premier League.

And what's so funny, some of the best players ever to have played the game say they were still learning about the game right up until the day they retired.