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Yep he got sacked for that record. So well deserved.His record is pretty similar to Jose’s end with us.
Yep he got sacked for that record. So well deserved.His record is pretty similar to Jose’s end with us.
My support is not unwavering for Ole, he needs to up his game no doubt but I believe the problems are bigger than the manager, did you look at this article at all?Then what is the answer? Stick with somebody that isn’t good enough to even manage in the Premier League?
It is absolutely farcical that Solskjaer has been put in charge of this rebuild. A rebuild that an elite level coach like a Guardiola, Klopp or even our own Ferguson would find challenging.
But no, let’s leave it to somebody that would struggle managing in the championship to rebuild our club.
The club massively fecked up when they gave him the full time contract. If they had stuck to their original plan and appointed a manager in the summer then Ole would have been sent on his way in June.
I just don’t understand posters that have this unwavering support of Ole. Am I watching different matches or something?
The squad is unbalanced and lacks quality for sure, but it is massively underachieving under Solskjaer.
We look like a very poorly coached team that doesn’t have a discernible style of play or even a tactical plan when we are on the pitch.
What exactly do you expect to happen by sticking with Solskjaer? Do you think that he is suddenly just going to become a good manager over the next few months (he won’t)?
The last thing I want to see is another managerial merry go round, but Solskjaer is out of his depth and needs replacing soon for the good of Manchester United.
His lack of ability in his role is a major issue.Calm down
Replacing yet another manager is what I don’t want when this issues are bigger.
So in the first 8 games of last season, Jose got 13 points (versus Ole with 8 points). That is not similar.Jose’s record at the end I was referring too, hence what Ole had to take over.
You’ve said beam me up but the bigger problems you’re suggesting need resolution would be at board level.No, solve the bigger problems first is only logical, beam me up
I liked it and found myself agreeing up until the part where he makes excuses for our transfer window. If Solskjaer gets sacked that decision not to reinforce our team up front and in midfield will be what buries him - those weaknesses within our squad - our complete impotence to score goals (which most people would agree is an important part of the game) - is why we're bleeding points this season. Beyond that our play has actually improved quite a bit in pretty much every area over the summer - so why someone would describe what might very well end up being the nail sealing his coffin shut as some philosophical masterstroke is beyond me. Even if their favored candidates weren't available they should have scouted out more options and made damn sure they had enough prospects to choose from - and even if they didn't do that just taking a chance on pretty much anyone would warrant a greater chance of success than placing your trust on a squad most people already knew to be absolutely toothless in that particular area. The principles of educating yourself before signing someone is wise no questions - but blind obedience to principles is what separates a wise man from an idealist. When you know doing nothing will definitely feck you over - doing pretty much anything is better. Sometimes you have to make compromises and have the guts to risk improvising a bit.This is a great article in today's Daily Mail Online: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ted-horror-story-Ed-Woodward-needs-fired.html
This article sums things up much better than I could and clearly states where we are at now.
A whopping 2 points difference my friendSo in the first 8 games of last season, Jose got 13 points (versus Ole with 8 points). That is not similar.
Meanwhile he was doing average in the Champions League group stage, but had organised the team with a strong snatch and grab vs Juventus, which he deserved strong credit for. He beat Young Boys and drew to Valencia. Ole has meanwhile had an easier competition but still has only drawn to AZ, scraped a win against Astana.
After 11 games Jose had 20 points having won 2 from his following 3. Ole has Liverpool and Chelsea away sandwiched with Norwich. Do you really think Ole's record is similar to Jose's with us? And are you actually suggesting it won't worsen?
I don’t agree, Woodward is no longer as safe as he was. The value of the club has fallen $900m since February, when it becomes a billion the glazers might start worrying.You’ve said beam me up but the bigger problems you’re suggesting need resolution would be at board level.
The Glazers are not looking to sell & Woodward isn’t going anywhere so your solution is fanciful.
The only realistic solutions to hope for are better squad management & construction cause the ‘bigger problem’ ain’t going anywhere.
A whopping 2 points difference my friend
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...lskjaers-first-28-games-to-mourinhos-last-28/
For half his salary
His record is pretty similar to Jose’s end with us.
Do you actually support United and not the rapid deterioration of the standards/levels of the club by this obstinate backing and ignorance of the fact Ole isn’t a good manager. he has no record of success, no sustained experience at top level, no managerial world presence or sway and no proven plan or strategy that can be pointed to. You have compared him to LVG and Mourinho even Fergies starting record is being compared as if Ole is going to be the next Sir Alex. You seem to be unaware you are comparing some of the lowest and worse point of the aforementioned managers as a reason to give Ole more time. There are overwhelmingly more negatives to keeping Ole and only hope based on a ridiculous dream of what he might do.Jose’s record at the end I was referring too, hence what Ole had to take over.
What was cherry picked, the point of that article was his first 28 games as of that date versus Jose’s last 28.How the hell can you talk about Ole's form being close to the "Jose's end" and then go on to cherry pick 28 fecking games
This is the problem - you're choosing a period that's not reflective of Ole's actual capabilities. The caretaker period was such a clear contrast to how he is as a permanent manager. It's so obvious that first 10 games was a run of freak form. We didn't even deserve to win a few of those. Moreover it was all against sides which were bottom fodders in the league. His only "test" was Spurs for fecksake.
The case is flawed if you think Ole is in any way shape or form comparable with Jose for us. He will never be close to winning a cup, and now he has us 2 points above relegation. In 3 weeks time we may well be in relegation having finished over 1/4 of the season.
Are you seriously saying there’s no better manager than Ole in world football that we could have?What was cherry picked, the point of that article was his first 28 games as of that date versus Jose’s last 28.
To the people arguing that’s what got Jose sacked he was in year 3 by then, do you really want to be sacking another manager with less than a year in charge? If so give me the answer to whose going to replace him?
It's including an anomoly period where Ole wasn't even our permanent manager, and includes a run of games which were gifts for any manager to have (Jose himself said when it gets to this period he can turn it around). Go and look at Ole's first 10 fixtures. It was skewed because the harder sides were played by Jose before then. That fixture list for Xmas was a potential purple patch for us before the season began. We all thought "great Xmas set of fixtures" when it came out.What was cherry picked, the point of that article was his first 28 games as of that date versus Jose’s last 28.
To the people arguing that’s what got Jose sacked he was in year 3 by then, do you really want to be sacking another manager with less than a year in charge? If so give me the answer to whose going to replace him?
But why not? What if he really is a terrible manager, how would sticking with him do us any good? Do you want us to sink even further just so we don't come off as a "sacking club"?do you really want to be sacking another manager with less than a year in charge?
Yes because he's an awful manager and he's going to lead us to a relegation scrap.What was cherry picked, the point of that article was his first 28 games as of that date versus Jose’s last 28.
To the people arguing that’s what got Jose sacked he was in year 3 by then, do you really want to be sacking another manager with less than a year in charge? If so give me the answer to whose going to replace him?
If everyone at the club has lost faith in him then no sack him, we were talking about a project 2 months ago though so they all need to sack themselves if they do.But why not? What if he really is a terrible manager, how would sticking with him do us any good? Do you want us to sink even further just so we don't come off as a "sacking club"?
Whose your answer to replace him?Yes because he's an awful manager and he's going to lead us to a relegation scrap.
It wasn't just a fluke but it wasn't sustainable either - It all broke down once we sold Fellaini and lost Herrera to injury - and the moment both Lukaku and Sanchez reverted into just loafing about aimlessly gasping for air for five minutes every time they actually did move with something resembling pace. At that moment the overall weakness of our squad - the complete lack of depth and also the lack of professionalism among certain players - became obvious. And we're still suffering from this - because none of these positions were reinforced. Herrera was a big loss - but also Fellaini - yeah even a half-arsed Lukaku and Sanchez stargazing throughout an entire match - would be a step up from what we're stuck with now. They had to go I agree on that decision - but they also needed replacing. If Ole is let go it won't be his abilities as a coach or a tactician undoing him - it will be his maneuvering of the transfer market and his continued trust in players who simply aren't up to standards. His idealism and his gullibility.How the hell can you talk about Ole's form being close to the "Jose's end" and then go on to cherry pick 28 fecking games
This is the problem - you're choosing a period that's not reflective of Ole's actual capabilities. The caretaker period was such a clear contrast to how he is as a permanent manager. It's so obvious that first 10 games was a run of freak form. We didn't even deserve to win a few of those. Moreover it was all against sides which were bottom fodders in the league. His only "test" was Spurs for fecksake.
It's always easier for a caretaker to come in and steady the ship than to be a permanent solution. What's his record since being made permanent? Heck, what's his record for 19/20? That's what marked the end of Jose, from the start of 18/19 onwards. And Jose did tons better than Ole did despite making enemies of everyone.
The case is flawed if you think Ole is in any way shape or form comparable with Jose for us. He will never be close to winning a cup, and now he has us 2 points above relegation. In 3 weeks time we may well be in relegation having finished over 1/4 of the season.
Don’t like any of your options, god help this place when we inevitably get beat next weekIt's including an anomoly period where Ole wasn't even our permanent manager, and includes a run of games which were gifts for any manager to have (Jose himself said when it gets to this period he can turn it around). Go and look at Ole's first 10 fixtures. It was skewed because the harder sides were played by Jose before then. That fixture list for Xmas was a potential purple patch for us before the season began. We all thought "great Xmas set of fixtures" when it came out.
If you want to compare records, compare both as permanent managers. It doesn't matter if you're year 1 or 3 - no away win since March, struggling to match Newcastle, AZ, Rochdale, Astana, West Ham, 2 points above relegation, pretty much equals you're cooked as a manager.
We do one of two things: 1)bring allegri in on a 2 year deal. Let him build foundations of a solid defence, winning mentality and then say thank you and goodbye. At that stage we are in better positions to attract Rose or Nagalsmann or Poch etc to take us to the next level beyond there. 2) bring a caretaker like Guus or any fecking coach that won't have us relegation fighting, and hope we can get Poch in from next summer.
But not Ole.
My options are far better than yours which seems to have us in relegation within 3 weeks.Don’t like any of your options, god help this place when we inevitably get beat next week
I just wanted to let you know that none of your frivolous ramblings can possibly be described as nuanced. To say otherwise is embarrassingly self-congratulatory.So have these "there is no plan whatsoever he's utterly clueless we're worse off everywhere it's all his fault" semantics ricocheting back and forth among his haters here - and the anti-Solskjaer camp are all perfectly happy ignoring those objections pretending they never happened even doing your best in ridiculing anyone presenting a more nuanced assessment than your own.
So yeah - this forum is littered with all kinds of stupid and a lot of people should just shut up and let the grown-ups do the talking - we agree on that at least
You're talking like there's nobody out there who's more qualified than Ole.Whose your answer to replace him?
Oh please do elaborate I'll take you on. I'm a sporting man after all - so go ahead and challenge me.I just wanted to let you know that none of your frivolous ramblings can possibly be described as nuanced. To say otherwise is embarrassingly self-congratulatory.
I think we will flirt with that zone for a few weeks then once we get the injured players back and hopefully buy one of those players we don’t currently have that knows where the goal is we will move away from it quite comfortably.My options are far better than yours which seems to have us in relegation within 3 weeks.
What’s your answer?You're talking like there's nobody out there who's more qualified than Ole.
Club has problems top to bottom but it doesn't mean having a good manager wouldn't at least improve our on field performances. We are still to hire someone who is good RIGHT NOW, not 5 years ago, not 20 years ago but now. For example Liverpool's board is not much different than ours. Klopp constantly needs to wait to get his targets and they miss out on quite a few of them. But he is a very good manager and can work with the squad he has. We have someone who wouldn't be hired by any Championship club instead.My support is not unwavering for Ole, he needs to up his game no doubt but I believe the problems are bigger than the manager, did you look at this article at all?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ted-horror-story-Ed-Woodward-needs-fired.html
If Ed was to sack Ole and then fall on his own sword I’d be in, if the solution is sack Ole bring in the fifth manager in 6 years to continue working under Ed I don’t see much of a point in it.Club has problems top to bottom but it doesn't mean having a good manager wouldn't at least improve our on field performances. We are still to hire someone who is good RIGHT NOW, not 5 years ago, not 20 years ago but now. For example Liverpool's board is not much different than ours. Klopp constantly needs to wait to get his targets and they miss out on quite a few of them. But he is a very good manager and can work with the squad he has. We have someone who wouldn't be hired by any Championship club instead.
Poch, Nagelsmann, Allegri, Simeone, Blanc, Rose, Ten Hag, Howe, Ancelotti, Zidane. Take your pick. Not saying I want all these but they're far better and more qualified than Ole.What’s your answer?
Sixth manager. Remember - Giggs!If Ed was to sack Ole and then fall on his own sword I’d be in, if the solution is sack Ole bring in the fifth manager in 6 years to continue working under Ed I don’t see much of a point in it.
So mainly the usual big names similar to LVG and Jose came here worked under Ed and failed.Poch, Nagelsmann, Allegri, Simeone, Blanc, Rose, Ten Hag, Howe, Ancelotti, Zidane. Take your pick. Not saying I want all these but they're far better and more qualified than Ole.
Did you give LVG & Jose the same excuses , leeway & expectations?I think we will flirt with that zone for a few weeks then once we get the injured players back and hopefully buy one of those players we don’t currently have that knows where the goal is we will move away from it quite comfortably.
if LVG & Jose failed & they won trophies & got us in the champions league occasionally then Ole must be failing really really bad & should be sacked right???So mainly the usual big names similar to LVG and Jose came here worked under Ed and failed.
Oh so because two big name managers fell short of expectations we should just go for unqualified and shite managers now.So mainly the usual big names similar to LVG and Jose came here worked under Ed and failed.
Ed would have probably appointed him if we won all his gamesSixth manager. Remember - Giggs!
I'm afraid you're making too much sense for him mate. Better if we all just bury our heads in the sand and accept that we're a relegation contender team now. Ole's at the wheel.if LVG & Jose failed & they won trophies & got us in the champions league occasionally then Ole must be failing really really bad & should be sacked right???
What will the injured players do? Did you watch us against Palace or Rochdale?I think we will flirt with that zone for a few weeks then once we get the injured players back and hopefully buy one of those players we don’t currently have that knows where the goal is we will move away from it quite comfortably.