WSL 19/20 | City v United - at the Etihad - 7 Sept

Discussion in 'United's Women's Team' started by Maestro14, Jul 1, 2019.

  1. Sep 7, 2019

    AndyMUFC Full Member

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    Enjoyable game and great attendance. Was harsh to lose it really, we were definitely the best side first half and should've scored. We were pretty much dominated in the second but still came the closest after the goal. Definitely planning on keeping an eye on it this season.
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    Mike Oxard Full Member

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    Well done ladies. You put up a decent fight against City and both you and the Utd fans who attended the game can leave with their heads held high. Anyone who was at the Derby at the Etihad last season will know what it’s like to be outclassed and eventually humiliated by City, so today made a really refreshing change. I was expecting the girls to get spanked today (cough), but they didn’t and they gave 100% for 90 mins. AGS was at the game, so hopefully he will get the message out to the men’s team that total effort can achieve the unexpected. Again, we’ll done ladies.
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    Grande Full Member

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    Good to see Jackie Groenen getting into the team well from the start. Fighting on City’s level today was well avove my expectations with the difference between first and second division.

    Not to bad from a completely newly comprised defence either.
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    haram Full Member

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    Honestly, it's not even semi-pro level. Before people attack me it's just an opinion.
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    Impressed by Casey Stoney, very reactive and brave in her management. Isn't afraid to change formations or the game-plan when it's obviously needed. Very good appointment for us.
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    Lightbringer New Member

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    The question here: why on earth are you comparing the womens game vs the mens game? Do you mock all women athletes compared to men? I dont get it, it makes no sense and on top of that its completely irrelevant.
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    haram Full Member

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    I'm not mocking it, just my opinion.
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    Lightbringer New Member

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    Alright. So do you casually drop notes of all female athletes not even being semi-pro level? When you watch womens boxing, or womens high jump, do you share your opinion on how their level is low compared to men?

    When you train in the gym, do you voice your opinion that every female in the gym is doing semi-pro training?

    The physical attributes for women are vastly different, meaning its impossible for them to be at the same or close level to the mens game, its not rocket science.

    Why do you feel the urge to voice your opinion btw? Do you even think women should do professional sports at all? Or do you feel they should let it be since their level of performance is much worse than men?

    I fail to see why certain men can not resist on making these kind of remarks about womens sports in general, I dont get it.
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    haram Full Member

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    You have done a lot of assuming. I don't watch women's sport if I am being very honest. I don't have a problem with women playing sports either.
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    Impressive performance for the girls, on chances created and being the better side in the first half a draw would have been a fairer result, but enough encouraging signs that if they can consistently hit that level of performance staying in the division, which is surely the objective this season, will be a formality.

    All the new girls look as though they will bring something to the squad, with Jackie Groenen who looked as though she'd borrowed Blaise Matuidi's lungs for the day probably the pick.

    And on the crowd, 31,213, it was nearly six times bigger than the WSL record of 5,625 who saw Arsenal clinch the title @ Brighton's Amex Stadium last season.

    The last time City played at the Men's ground in 2014 for a cup tie against Everton the crowd was under 1,500
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    jojojo JoJoJoJoJoJo Staff

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    Frustrating match, but a good performance from us against a more experienced and very talented team. Frustrating because we had the best of the first half really, our general play was a match for theirs but we also created three or four genuinely good chances - mostly from the work of Okvist and Galton - whereas they created very little of note.

    Second half was City's really and you could see the effort taking it's toll particularly on players like Lotta and Leah. The subs felt a bit forced on Stoney rather than chosen, and with Earps limping, getting Lauren James on at all must have been a gamble.

    So it's a game of ifs really. If we'd taken a couple of those chances in the first half. If Lotta had had more than 5 training sessions with us. If our key players hadn't mostly been away playing (senior or junior) internationals until Wednesday. If Jackie's late attempt that hit the post had wobbled in...

    But of course City had plenty of ifs. They had players like Ellen White out injured, even more players than us away at internationals. But the biggest difference in the end was that beautifully hit goal from Caroline Weir, and despite the result our overall performance has got to be a good sign for us.
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    jojojo JoJoJoJoJoJo Staff

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    Just a few observations on the crowd. It was a good turnout and a decent atmosphere. Not as intense as a men's derby of course, but a lot of the fans are novices at live stadium football (more kids, more women) or at women's football.

    Though there was a distinct United end, and a predominantly City section, most of the ground was mixed and I'm not sure how they felt about the etiquette of that :smirk:

    Having been in Paris for the WWC19 match between USA and a France and seeing mixed zones simultaneously singing both sets of chants (different fans!) - whilst still having distinct sections as well I'm hoping that one day maybe we can have matches like that. But who knows, maybe we'll go straight from the awkwardly polite to the too tribal - I hope not though.

    Crowd wise, well United have already had a couple of 5k crowds at Leigh. Arsenal might be a tricky one as it's a Monday night (in a week when the men are at home on Saturday and Thursday). But the Liverpool match should be a good turnout. We shall see.
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    Mike Oxard Full Member

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    I think the point is that most people who watched the game did so because of the shirt the player was wearing, rather than because it was a woman wearing it. The general standard of women’s football as a spectator sport is ‘mediocre’ by comparison to what football fans have traditionally watched. The World Champions of Ladies football, the USA, lost 5-2 to FC Dallas’s U15 Boys team for example. They would get slaughtered by Manchester Boys. The same cannot be said of other sports. Venus Williams would beat 99.9% of Male tennis players, Abuja Sorenstam would beat 99.9% of Male golfers, Torie Bowie would beat 99.9 of men in a 100m race. The media are trying to hype the ladies game into something that it isn’t, which I think is the point other posts have been touching on.
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    Grande Full Member

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    If I was to tell you: ‘Honestly, you have the brain of a four year old, but I’m not derogatory - it’s just an opinion.’ Would you be impressed?

    If you actively go into a thread about a topic about something others are enjoying, but you’re you’re disinterested in, just to post derogatory opinions, it’s called ‘spoiling the party for the sake of it’, and it’s the kind of thing four year olds do. People will get the wrong opinion of you.

    You maybe don’t worry much what other people on a forum think of you. Try to imagine, though, if you were interested in something and wanted to discuss it, and every time you tried to, a little flock of four year olds appeared, just to spoil the party bleating the same derogatory ‘opinion’. In the long run it gets to feel pretty annoying, rather hostile, and bleeding unnecessary.
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    Grande Full Member

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    Do you think the programme was planned that way on purpose, just to get the most of the public interest around United now just after the WC?
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    jojojo JoJoJoJoJoJo Staff

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    For people who watch women's football regularly, the fair contest is women v women. No one pretends they can beat the men or even a decent boys' team. Speed differences will mean they'll rarely be the first one to reach a ball in flight and they'll always lose a physical contest on the ball - it just isn't a fair match.

    When people talk about standards though - for regular watchers that's a different thing. We're looking at technique, tactics, passing, first touch - and we're seeing a good standard of play. What we aren't seeing is the comparison to "fecking hilarious".

    So when that's the comparison made, or even a comparison to semi-pro (where admittedly I probably see more Cup games than League ones - so maybe they play better when the cameras aren't there) - I tend to read the posts as pointless heckling, or stupid trolling, rather than an actual analysis of the game that got played on Saturday afternoon between City and United women.
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    jojojo JoJoJoJoJoJo Staff

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    I'm sure it was for the City game. The Arsenal match seems less relevant to that - that actually feels more like us newbies getting put in our place early :D
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    jojojo JoJoJoJoJoJo Staff

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    Hansa Full Member

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    The comparison is not accurate. You are comparing people who take the sport seriously (Dallas U15) with the general public in your other examples. Or are you suggesting that Venus Williams would beat 99,9% of professional male tennis players aged 15 or over? Or that Torie Bowie would beat 99,9% of active, male 100m runners? I doubt the numbers would be anywhere near that.
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    Other results between the two clubs yesterday:

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    Spiersey Chelsea fan

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    This is nonsense. Both Williams sister lost to a player ranked 200th in the world at the time and he wasn't even trying properly. The gulf between sexes in virtually all sports is huge. Anika Sorenstam played a few male events also and never made the cut. https://www.pga.com/news/golf-buzz/history-of-women-playing-in-mens-pga-tour-events

    No Women has ever made the cut in a mens event and it is always in a very low quality field (without the vast majority of the top 100 players in the world playing)
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    jojojo JoJoJoJoJoJo Staff

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    Our U14 girls won 1-2 as well.

    Manchester is planning to be red in the not too distant future.
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    Obviously we have a better academy system.:D
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    jojojo JoJoJoJoJoJo Staff

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    Just to complete the loop - Torie Bowie would lose to the best 16 year old lads. It's just life, and it's why women play against women in most sports.
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    Is the u14 result not included in the tweet I embed(don't even know if that makes sense)? I always presumed everybody sees the same.

    Anyhow it was a great weekend for all/most of the Academy sides, apparently the lads u14 team beat City 4-1, and the u15 team beat 'em 4-0

    And whats with the signs at the Etihad, "This is our City" I guess you just can't buy class, however much money you have. Somebody should sneak in and paint them Red.
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    jojojo JoJoJoJoJoJo Staff

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    Not on the version I see - I'm always surprised which tweets turn into multiples though :D

    I will post the tweet link that does give the multiple tweets for me. Does that look right for you?

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    I've often wondered why some add 3 or 4 tweets in one post with each one having slightly more info than the previous one, and think unless the post has been edited why not just embed(there's that word again)the last one with all the info and save people from clicking on numerous links which I always do because i'm scared I might miss something, but maybe that's just me.

    The tweet above is the same as my original one(#180), maybe it's dependant on which browser you use.
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    Mike Oxard Full Member

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    You miss my point, so I’ll try and simplify it for you. The Williams Sisters would crucify an amateur Male 16 year old. A professional woman golfer would crucify an amateur Male U16. However, it seems that the World Champions Ladies Football team have their panty hose ripped to shreds by an U16 Boys team. There, does that clarify it?
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    Mike Oxard Full Member

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    I’m suggesting that the Williams girls would beat an u15 Male tennis player (even ones who play to a ‘top’ standard and that the top Ladies Pro Golfer would beat any U15 male golfer.