Zinedine Zidane - 3 time CL winning manager without a job
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In the meantime I'll just keep laughing at the insane post you made, cheers.
Also 2 league titles, one of them without Ronaldo, and came within 2 points of winning it again last season again in a season from hell when it came to injuries.Shush don't talk sense, the man won 3 CLs you know?
Clueless about coaching, obviously.
Yeah, but you’ve not answered my question. He won 3 CL’s in a row (extreme luck as per you), left, they struggled and his replacement(s) were sacked, he then came back and then they won the league.
How did he benefit from the extreme luck a second time, but both Lopetegui and Solari didn’t? Almost like he had a bit about him tactically?
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Seriously though, how can any United fan think it’s just players who can carry a team to trophies in spite of a manager — when our fecking team is the prime example of how it can’t?
Felt like that 3CL winning team was on autopilot. Everything just came together. Any non defensive manager might have just done it
How did his second stint at Madrid go? It seems he failed, which I m not surprised. I can't recollect what happened. I alway had the opinion that he was carried by having a sensstional team and Ronaldo in his prime. Zidane is an excellent motivator and man manager, but I don't believe he is an excellent coach. After Ole, I would love to see an excellent attacking coach with a good philosophy at United like Pochettino, potters, Flick, who may be attainable. However, with our world class squad, Zidane seems almost perfect for it.
Wrong, but then again, you admit you didnt pay attention, so....
yep. Was never impressed with Madrid watching them, I think he got lucky...don’t want him.
I prefer Conte to him tbh
I see him as one of the very few realistic candidates for the United job. However, isn't his style quite similar to Ole's in the sense that it is heavily reliant on individual genius, as opposed to the 'greater than the sum of their parts' approach which is all the rage these days?
Ok.. how did it go? He won anything? Played good football?
Yes.
1 league title, missed another one by 2 pts, a QF and a SF in the CL, all with fairly low net spend + terrible luck with a permacrocked Hazard.
I would love that kind of ‘failure’.
Tournaments are always likelier to be fluked than leagues. He has won more CLs than leagues or domestic cups with Real, which is testament to that fact.
I'm coming round to this idea. He'd be the obvious choice right now if Ole has to go.
only for the hipstersThree in a row though? Nobody has even managed to win it twice in a row in the modern era. Not SAF, not Pep, not Mourinho. I don't think Zidane gets enough credit for how incredible that achievement is.
True. You also need referee help on top of the fluking.
I wish we could have fluked a trophy in the last 3 years. Like Emery fluked his 4th UEFA cup against us last year.
He doesnt need to be a master coach or tactician, neither is Klopp. Key is if he knows who is one and brings him in. And i believe he knows his limitations and is excellent at delegating work. That is where Ole is failing massively currently, in not being able of getting a coach in for whatever reason, as he is obviously out of his depth an the current coaches as well. Big issue in not addressing this for 3 years now.
That ref really tried his best to help Bayern in that 2017 return leg.
Zinedine Zidane is a top coach - maybe top 5 best in the world alongside Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte. I just dont see him managing United. He doesn't speak English and i believe has no interest in managing in England. He is waiting for the French national team job.
Beats what we have. We have a good squad so I don’t mind some of that Zidane “luck” to get them to win some trophies.
We might be able to even beat Villa, West Ham, and Villarreal, who knows.
With VAR in place, Real would have reached the final neither in 2017 nor 2018.
Any manager whose top asset isn't his tactics is a hard no from me. Ole is a fantastic man manager, that is not what needs improvement. Zidane doesn't even consider himself to be a good strategic coach and has said so in the past. Conte would make the most sense of who seems to be available.
This is bizarrely defensive posting considering the other poster was simply asking.
What did he win on his return to RL? And in how many seasons? Not goading, genuine questions.
Never. I won't allow that the only history written here is by the winners.
That's what a loser would sayNever. I won't allow that the only history written here is by the winners.
Guy with vast experience of managing big players (including Ronaldo) and lots of trophies in the bag as well. Not only that, he's not a hipster manager at all, doesn't bollocks on about patterns of play or philosophy, pragmatic and gets by with the players available to him, but also plays to attack. Very United style coach, and Glazer style profile. I'm not saying he's a guaranteed success but I've less and less hope Ole will get there, much as I love him.
Seems an obvious post-Ole punt to me and as far from the hipster choice as you could get.
Is Zidane like Pep or Nagglesman? The latter two is what we need.
Pep couldn't win 3 CLs with THAT Barca team. What absolute nonsense to put it all down to luck, all while Ole has been shitting himself at every opportunity provided.Shush don't talk sense, the man won 3 CLs you know?
I would rather have a great manager who is also lucky.
Since they are in short supply, I will take an average but lucky manager over a shitty and unlucky one all day.
They would have walked in that tie against Bayern with no extra time in 2017. Ghost penalty+offside goal kept you in the game as well as Vidal escaping a red card for 50 minutes too long.
What 3 times?
I thought it was well known that zidane is waiting for the french national team job after the WC in Qatar.
Won the league and the supercup in 19/20, nothing last season, though we went 2 points from the league and a CL semifinal despite a genuine injury apocalypse
More to the point: 15/16 Rafa Benitez: 18 games, 37 points. Zidane, 20 games, 53 points, finished 2nd 1 point off first. 16/17 93 points, won. 19/20 87 points, won. 20/21 84 points, 2 points off 1st
Hell, even if you take 17/18 into question, it was only the first half of the season really where we did badly in the league. Largely because Benzema and Cristiano had mysteriously forgot how to score goals in the league
I don't think he would be a good fit or Utd.
Didn't Real Madrid won their CL titles under Zidane by largely turning games around after tactical changes? I will never understand that argument, it's frankly dumb, some are way too obsessed with football philosophers.
Agree, if there is a manager who may bring some class back and avoid some negative consequences it could be Zidane , I'm sure he's come out and said he does not want manage in England.
That happened quite a few times, yes. Few are as good in-game