If youth players are good enough most of the time they get their chance at United.
Zion Suzuki - Goalkeeper
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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If Hannibal was good enough, he'd be playing, just like Garnacho is. You can't just offer players first team football because it's nice for them to get game time. When you join a big club you know you're going to have to fight and develop your game to be one of the best, if you don't have the mentality for that then you'll never be a great player and maybe playing in a lesser league, like Germany, is what your ambitions should be.
The players I listed did that and showed they had the mentality and ability to play at this level. Hannibal hasn't shown anything near that in his time with us, and when he has played he almost got sent off.
All the good youth players get their chance at United, there isn't one that we've let go that's gone on to be world class. They make it with us or they end up at Burnley/Bolton.
United is very high level hence Pellistri, Amad, Hannibal don't get to play much. Hanging around don't do much for their development compared to playing at a Dortmund, Leipzig, Atlanta or Brighton.
Technically Pogba I guess
They aren't good enough?
Also, they train with the first team on a daily basis. What do you think is better for their development? Training with the likes of Casemiro and Bruno or playing against Gent on Saturday?
Look at Garnacho, he has something extra to those mentioned. Mainoo, Greenwood, Rashford etc
They all took the chance when they got it.
Young players who are serious about their craft are realising more and more that the best currency a club can offer is playing time.
Loans aren't these magic things that always work out, in fact they hardly ever do, this decision says more about his mentality in a positive light than a negative one.
You just have to look at the development limbo that Amad, Hannibal and Pellistri find themselves in to see why young players will think twice about coming to us.
Loans aren't these magic things that always work out, in fact they hardly ever do, this decision says more about his mentality in a positive light than a negative one.
You just have to look at the development limbo that Amad, Hannibal and Pellistri find themselves in to see why young players will think twice about coming to us.
Pique I guess. Giuseppe Rossi before injuries was class too and at a stretch we rejected Martinelli even though he had 4 trials for us.
Or maybe he sees it as a waste of time in his career by going and playing no.2 to a keeper who just cost 50m.
He got a chance to be fair, but he wanted to go back to Barca.
That scenario was different though.
How is that a waste of his career? To learn under some of the best coaches and keepers in the world? It would help his career massively.
Exactly my point. Not every 18 year old can play for United. When you're not at that level its better to play at somewhere you'll get game time than be a reserve option or a journey man loan career. Fact is this Suzuki guy isn't going to displace Onana so better to go somewhere he'll play who knows in the near future he'll reach that level.
He would play the same amount on loan.
Under different coaches with different instructions who may or may not give priority to his development just look at the two contrasting loans of Amad
It's a wonder that loans even exist considering how bad they are for a players development according to you.
Why do you even care so much to sign a player who himself doesn't think he's ready for this level?
You rely on your club finding you loans and possibly change teams every year... Why surrender that amount of control instead of just establishing yourself as a starter, which is the best amount of experience you can get as a keeper ?
Has it been mentioned that Saint-Trond VV has Japanese owners, apparently ? I would imagine this facilitated this deal.
Edit : It's been mentioned quite a bit while I was writing this ^^
Honestly it was a weird avenue for United to explore. Not necessarily wrong, I'll keep an eye on the chap's results if he has such potential. But the club just settled on a new number 1 that probably won't be challenged for at least a couple of seasons and there's plenty of backup options at the club, more than MU knows what to do of.
He’s probably been told that he’s coming in as our number 2 though, which is why he’s decided to go elsewhere.
Because what would help him even more is to be actually playing and learning while he plays. You don't learn properly and gain enough experience by just training with better players and coaches.
I was pretty sure this was never gonna happen even if the reports ended up being more credible than I first believed.
But you learn by playing Gent instead of training with some of the best players and coaches in the world?
Yeah, he'll probably develop and learn more in a year playing 90 mins every week and training hard, than he will just training to be no.2 at Utd. Doesn't matter who he's training with, playing and building up skills and game time is more important at his age.
Many players option for playing time instead of big clubs. Playing in a "farmer league" as an 18-year old could be the better step, because the most important thing for a young player is experience against men. Ajax, Salzburg, etc. are mor interesting for a teenager, than Manchester United, simple as that. Manchester United can offer a great history, but is not focused on youth development. Ajax and Salzburg have great modern academies, etc. (a level above Manchester United ?), they play internationally and the development of young players is part of their philosophy. As a United player it is all about winning...
It's terrible for a young goalkeeper's development to come sit on a team's bench for a couple of years so I don't think I can blame him for having doubts.
Yes, that's exactly why clubs loan players out
He's a GK, whatäs he going to learn stood in between his posts for 90 minutes that he can't learn around better players and coaches who have an damn sight more insight into the game of a modern GK?
Playing is overrated for development.
To learn the pressures of playing first team football, not to improve their ability.
... ok
Zion Suzuki already has a full international cap for Japan, despite being U21, so likely would have been able to get a work permit for the UK already anyway.
Why do top teams invest in the best coaches and youth systems money can buy if they could just loan their players out to Rochdale and get a ready made Ronaldo back?
No its also to improve ability, because you cannot improve in training alone, you have to play high intensity competitive matches.
Thats not just about pressure, but the speed and aggression of the game.
Prove me wrong.
Exactly, and United's first team training sessions will be more intense than anything going on in Belgium.
Not my job,
Good talk.
So you say.
United play 3 games a week, they won't be going hell for lever in training in between
We've always played 3 games a week. I'll point you in the direction of a certain Rio Ferdinand who said that training was more intense than the games, which made the games seem easy in comparison.
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