Is that why Bale won Players Player of the Year and Nani wasn't even nominated for anything?
Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!
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Nahh, the Bale bollocks was all over the media last season for a few good performances against Inter.
He faded as the season ended... Thus why most people think he's overrated...
Having watched a lot of Bale/Nani, they're happily the best wing duo in the current PL where both have to be at least double teamed to be stopped.
The problem is, when we compare two players, it'll be a never ending debate, We'll always favour Nani as Spurs will favour Bale...
On top form however, we've seen what type of goals Nani can get so I'd pick Nani in my team over Bale, but Bale is ever so improve and is a mouth watering prospect. Spurs had the guts to pay that ridiculous fee of 12m but he's proved ever so worthy of that fee just like CR7 did.
He faded as the season ended... Thus why most people think he's overrated...
Having watched a lot of Bale/Nani, they're happily the best wing duo in the current PL where both have to be at least double teamed to be stopped.
The problem is, when we compare two players, it'll be a never ending debate, We'll always favour Nani as Spurs will favour Bale...
On top form however, we've seen what type of goals Nani can get so I'd pick Nani in my team over Bale, but Bale is ever so improve and is a mouth watering prospect. Spurs had the guts to pay that ridiculous fee of 12m but he's proved ever so worthy of that fee just like CR7 did.
He's not the best player in the world by any means, but has potential to be up there in that rung just below the best...so why can't he be a super player without being as good as ronaldo or messi or even Nani?
If any team splashed out say 35 million for him he'd be worth it if his current performances are anything to go by. And he's still yong and lernin, there is huge potential there, and playing in a better team with better players he'd no doubt learn more as time goes by and becomes more productive......considering carroll was 35million, Kaka 55million and Ronaldo 80million, he'd be worth about 35million and won't be overpriced if he kept up his performances over the two seasons.
He'd be perfect to replace Giggs, and this is not saying whether he is or ever will be as good as Giggs.
If any team splashed out say 35 million for him he'd be worth it if his current performances are anything to go by. And he's still yong and lernin, there is huge potential there, and playing in a better team with better players he'd no doubt learn more as time goes by and becomes more productive......considering carroll was 35million, Kaka 55million and Ronaldo 80million, he'd be worth about 35million and won't be overpriced if he kept up his performances over the two seasons.
He'd be perfect to replace Giggs, and this is not saying whether he is or ever will be as good as Giggs.
Fair point, 19. Nani was one of the rare candidates in the PL selected Balon'd whilst Bale wasn't which makes Nani exclusion all the more retarded.
Did you see anything about the player of the year award last year? It was generally recognised that Bale didn't deserve the award, and had only won it because of all the hype he received over a selection of good performances. He probably deserved to be nominated, but winning it? Many agreed that this was a step too far. At the same time, there were many people who felt that Nani was unlucky to be excluded from the nominations. Again, he probably wouldn't have deserved to win, however no eyebrows would have been raised if he had been nominated.
Personally I wouldn't swap Nani for Bale, Bale is still a very good player though.
Nobody in this world would tbf.
I think you'd be surprised.
The thing is, Nani probably did deserve to win it.
Apart from the Spurs fans, But I would love to hear who the non-united fans(except spurs one) will take in their team: Nani or Bale?
Let's be clear about something. The Messi and Ronaldo comparisons have come about almost exclusively in a 2 or 3 month period after the Inter games, when Bale ripped apart what was considered the best rightback in the world. And despite what people say, they were still doing well in serie A at that point of the season and were the holders. The comparisons with Ronaldo, while not much more legitimate than Messi, were partly because of their similar physiques and running styles. They are both exceptional athletes. Both of those 'freaks' are better than Bale.
That article didn't even say he was better or even as good as Best. Just that he was the most exciting player from these shores since then. Still inaccurate, that would go to Gazza or Giggs. But the British Isles is hardly a production line of exciting players and you can't deny that Bale, especially when on form, is terrific to watch.
Despite his much improved performance that season, I wouldn't say that he should have won it. The award, in my opinion, should have been given to either Vidic or Tevez.
What did Tevez did that Berbatov didn't?
Can of worms lol
Tevez was the most influential player for Man City last season. Despite the ability of players like Toure and Silva, I'd go as far to say that Tevez carried City at times. Without him, they wouldn't have qualified for the Champions League. Berbatov was important for us, however he was nowhere near as influential to our team as Tevez was to City's. That would be for a different thread, though.
So in summary, like I said, Bale is a good player, but not as good as the hype suggests, and possibly over rated by the media who love a bit of hyperbole, especially where British footballers are concerned. Disagree Glaston?
I'd imagine there are United supporters on this forum who would.
Tevez didn't carry anybody.
I'm positive City could win the majority of games without him last season.
I remember people in the summer saying City were fecked without Tevez when the rumours he was leaving were floating around
I like you cheesy, but that's a shit sandwich of a post. Teveth? Do feck off. Nani has been the best player in England over the last 18-24 months, but for some reason he doesn't garner much support or love from fellow pro's, the media or the general public. It's a shame because he deserves much more credit than he gets.
Just last thing.
Berbatov scored the first goal in 9 games last season, same as Tevez and RVP. Berbatov scored the most winners out of any players in the league last season. Tevez was the most influential player for City, I agree but that doesn't necessarily mean he was the best player in the league last season.
Anyway that's for a different thread, as you said.
Nani completely raped Fulham and didn't get any acknowledgement for doing so, Bale on the weekend got a ballroom party held in his honour by the press. Even when Nani isn't on form he's dangerous, whereas Bale disappears.
Yep, I disagree. Bale is much more than just a "good player" - he's an exceptional talent.
As for the hype - what do you expect? Not many wingers score a hat-trick playing away against Inter (the reigning Champions let's not forget) for a team that's been reduced to 10 men ... and in the process tearing to absolute shreds a player who was widely regarded as one of the best right-backs in the world.
Frankly, it was an almost super-human performance that single-handedly dragged Spurs back into contention for the two-legged tie when they were otherwise facing obliteration. It stands out as one of the most memorable performances by any player in the CL in recent times
As for the continued hype, well, again what do you expect? Bale continued to destroy Maicon and Inter in the return leg and has basically improved from there. Some of his goals since have been absolute stunners and the amount of goal-scoring chances he creates for himself and others is truly exceptional.
Pundits are swayed by exciting players and Bale is often so direct, bold and electric that the excitement is hard to deny. So why shouldn't he be hyped? It's players like him who help make the game glorious.
So no, I actually don't think that he is especially over-rated, except at the extreme margins.
Rafael played him very well that match but he didn't do anything particularly exceptional, Bale was going through a patch where teams had woken up to him after the Inter match and defenders as shit as P. Neville and Ferreira were marshaling Bale with ease.
He's added a lot more to his game now and doesn't merely stick to the left wing and try the same kick and rush tactic (unless he knows it will work, then he has no problems doing it).
And Lennon is an old fashioned winger, Bale is not.
I'm not going to attempt to put a ceiling on what Bale can achieve because frankly, its stupid. Despite his obvious talent, if I'd come on here 3-4 years ago and told you that the young Welsh leftback Bale, who couldn't buy a league win for anything at that point would, within the next 4 years, become one of Spurs' best players in a season they qualified for the CL, then star in that competition and enter 2012 as one of the best left wingers in the league, who would have said fair prediction and who would have posted a dozen of this smiley
You do realize that this is due to Redknapp giving him a free rein now in midfield right?
Obviously I realise that but what's your point? He was very much a conventional left winger still at the beginning of the season but was still switching wings and coming inside far more. And doing more with the ball even from a standing start on the left wing.
Glaston, after that Inter match, what did Bale do? He came up against Real Madrid and what did he do?
All Bale has shown to me is flashes of where his potential may be. Picking games only helps half of the matter but I think we're all getting a bit carried away. Your exceptional may not be someone else's exceptional so let's clear that up first.
I'm not sure how he's started the season but it seems that now he's started to get the ball rolling. He's an ever improving player and as it has been argued, I agree that he will probably become a better player than Valencia. For right now, I'm one of those reserving judgment because he still has aspects of his game that he hasn't even fully integrated. The lads fecking 22 and yet some of us are talking about him like he's in his prime.
Can you actually talk about Bale without using such words or phrases as 'tearing to shreds' or 'obliteration'? You're on a United forum, how is that going to help your argument other than make you sound like a passionate Spurs that clearly thinks Bale is going to be a top talent. There's nothing wrong with it but at the same time, I think it would help if you cool it and just talk about the aspects of his game and his performances in a more objective manner. Saying he had an excellent game against Inter Milan and was too much to handle for Maicon is so much better than saying 'tearing to shreds'.
To be honest, seeing comments like those, it's hard for me to take you seriously. Let's not put Bale on a pedestal just yet. Maybe if you could summarize the Bale of last season compared to this season, I would have a better idea of what you're saying instead of exaggerating him to astronomical proportions. I welcome opposition fans being here but can you tone it down a bit?
All Bale has shown to me is flashes of where his potential may be. Picking games only helps half of the matter but I think we're all getting a bit carried away. Your exceptional may not be someone else's exceptional so let's clear that up first.
I'm not sure how he's started the season but it seems that now he's started to get the ball rolling. He's an ever improving player and as it has been argued, I agree that he will probably become a better player than Valencia. For right now, I'm one of those reserving judgment because he still has aspects of his game that he hasn't even fully integrated. The lads fecking 22 and yet some of us are talking about him like he's in his prime.
Can you actually talk about Bale without using such words or phrases as 'tearing to shreds' or 'obliteration'? You're on a United forum, how is that going to help your argument other than make you sound like a passionate Spurs that clearly thinks Bale is going to be a top talent. There's nothing wrong with it but at the same time, I think it would help if you cool it and just talk about the aspects of his game and his performances in a more objective manner. Saying he had an excellent game against Inter Milan and was too much to handle for Maicon is so much better than saying 'tearing to shreds'.
To be honest, seeing comments like those, it's hard for me to take you seriously. Let's not put Bale on a pedestal just yet. Maybe if you could summarize the Bale of last season compared to this season, I would have a better idea of what you're saying instead of exaggerating him to astronomical proportions. I welcome opposition fans being here but can you tone it down a bit?
I do agree that he should have received the hype for those CL performances and early goals at the start of the campaign, the only thing from our point of view is that once Bale was being double teamed and once everyone found him out at the latter part, he didn't play entirely well and couldn't produce that many chances as a LW ( classified as worldclass ) should...
But the thing is, from our point of view, even when Nani was having a stinker, he still was creating things and making out team tick to some degree and was doing this a bit more consistently but even though he was doing that, he got no hype whatsoever so in a way we could say he was underrated by the media etc...
But in saying that, Bale has really shone after returning from injury ( Real bad injury ) and I think Harry was sharp enough to try Bale through the centre a bit more instead of just hogging the line.
I was addressing the fact that it made seem that it was all in his own work. Part of it is him adding more to his game. The other part is Harry realizing that the team benefits more when he's given more of a free role.
I don't think he's overrated.
He had some injuries last year that slowed him down. Other than that, he's been a fantastic player. United fans just look for anything about Parker and Bale because they won awards. It's petty and rather lame.
The only problem was that he wasn't producing fantastic performances consistently, a few games he'd go really missing, horribly missing so that's why people are rightly entitled to say that the hype after the Inter games were just overrated...
He didn't play like badly or anything and was still a good player but most teams were able to shut him down and thus he didn't perform at the level that the media was hyping him ( to be the next big thing in football ).
My point exactly. I understand him playing as a winger, that he will go missing from time to time but I dont think it's been until this season that we've seen some consistency from him. His performances against Arsenal and Chelsea last season do stand out though. Like I've said before, in big games he's shown what he's got in his locker. It's bringing that out consistently whilst integrating more pieces into his game.
Give him a couple of seasons.
Carry Man City that season?
I love Berba but there is no discussion as to whom was the more influential player for their respective teams last season.
It never happened.
Berbatov was a lot less influential for us than Tevez for City last season. I dont see how that can be argued against with a straight face tbh.
My vote for PotY last season would go to Vidic, then Nani second. But if it were between Berba and Tevez i would say Tevez would have deserved it more.
My vote for PotY last season would go to Vidic, then Nani second. But if it were between Berba and Tevez i would say Tevez would have deserved it more.
But he did tear Maicon to shreds, in both legs ... it wasn't just that he was "too much to handle for Maicon".
Nor did he merely have an "excellent game against Inter Milan" - it was a truly stunning performance and actually quite difficult to overhype. feck me - away at the San Siro, down to 10 men and he scores a bloody hat-trick, each one an absolute peach ... what more do you want before a few superlatives are allowed?
They would almost all say Bale, since he is better.
No, he isn't.
Dunno why this thread has turned into Nani v Bale and oddly Bebatov and Tevez.
Anyways imagine having both Nani and Bale. That would be sexual
Anyways imagine having both Nani and Bale. That would be sexual
I would love if we bought Bale, then again a part of me feels sorry for Spurs for always having to cough up their best players.
I think he would be sensational for us though, his goal and assists stats would sky rocket.
I think he would be sensational for us though, his goal and assists stats would sky rocket.
He would be great for us, with our traditional focus on width.
That's basically saying the same thing but in milder terms which was my point exactly.
It still doesn't address the consistency issue which he has yet to achieve.