Is all well that ends well?

The Neviller said:
No you don't. You pay to go and support your club. I find this a problem with modern day football, and in particular modern day fans. Too happy to sit and wait to be entertained. Too caught up in the glitzy Sky Sports era of entertainment and soap opera style football. You're there to support your team in the hope that they score more than the other team and win. That's what is important.

So, to the OP, is all well that ends well? Yes, if we win then that's the job we set out to do on a Saturday done, whether people were entertained by it or otherwise.
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:lol:

Please feck off. Manchester United isn't a religion mate, it's a football club; and football is a form of entertainment. People pay gate fees to watch football, entertaining football.

If you seriously believe that, you're probably a little bit delusional.
 
Sultan said:
Bad day!

Someone complained I'd been passing tickets over to people contrary to terms and conditions, and had my tickets suspended.
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Oh no. How long will that last for?

Really sorry to hear that bro. Especially as its obviously a huge misunderstanding.
 
Andrew~ said:
:lol:

Please feck off. Manchester United isn't a religion mate, it's a football club; and football is a form of entertainment. People pay gate fees to watch football, entertaining football.

If you seriously believe that, you're probably a little bit delusional.
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You feck off. If you don't find it entertaining enough don't go. Nobody forces you to. I pay my money to go to games because I want to go and support my club. It's great when they play really, really well and score loads of goals and stuff, but 3 points is, you know, the entire point of the game.

People too often pay gates fees to sit and moan about not being entertained sufficiently, they then come on here and moan more. I needn't guess what side of that you'll come down on.
 
sammsky1 said:
Oh no. How long will that last for?

Really sorry to hear that bro. Especially as its obviously a huge misunderstanding.
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There's a lot of incompetent fools at the TO.

Tickets were still suspended today despite my son going to Manchester with ID's and clearing up the issue yesterday. He went in again before the game and supposedly they again unblocked the tickets.

The tickets are still barred despite being assured they were cleared. I only got into the game due to a kindly person I have known for many years at the turnstiles (20 minutes late). The worst part was I had a poster from here who had come from India. Embarrassing.

I feel like giving up going after many decades.
 
acnumber9 said:
Football is about a lot more than results. If it wasn't we'd just watch the results coming through on the vidiprinter. Football is all about entertainment but different people obviously derive their pleasure in different ways.
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It's a results business at the end of the day. Yes, we'd all rather win well and play lovely football, but this attitude of being disappointed at wins is alien to me. Getting the 3 points makes me happy, I can't remember ever being disappointed in a win.
 
The Neviller said:
No you don't. You pay to go and support your club. I find this a problem with modern day football, and in particular modern day fans. Too happy to sit and wait to be entertained. Too caught up in the glitzy Sky Sports era of entertainment and soap opera style football. You're there to support your team in the hope that they score more than the other team and win. That's what is important.

So, to the OP, is all well that ends well? Yes, if we win then that's the job we set out to do on a Saturday done, whether people were entertained by it or otherwise.
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If football was just about supporting your club, and not entertainment I'd be supporting my local team who are rubbish.
 
There are days when the wins will be ugly. Every fan has the right to decide for himself whether he wants "entertaining football" or is happy to settle for any kind of win. Of course I want an entertaining win, but I'd rather win ugly than be entertained in defeat (see Arsenal).

Patience will be rewarded. We're not as bad as some appear to be think we are, but there definitely is room for improvement. But isn't part of the point that we support our club while it improves its play as the season progresses?
 
The Neviller said:
It's a results business at the end of the day. Yes, we'd all rather win well and play lovely football, but this attitude of being disappointed at wins is alien to me. Getting the 3 points makes me happy, I can't remember ever being disappointed in a win.
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Football being a results business is just a crap cliché used to sack managers.
 
Scrumpet said:
Well?
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Well, well, well, well, well.....
 
Sultan said:
If football was just about supporting your club, and not entertainment I'd be supporting my local team who are rubbish.
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I'm sure you're not, but doesnt this make you sound like a bit of a glory hunter?
 
sammsky1 said:
Sultan the Glory Hunter :lol::lol::lol:

:nono:
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I said I'm sure he isn't, but that comment does make it sound like that.

He rejected his local team because they are shit and picked an entertaining team to watch. Begs the question, if we become thoroughly unentertaining, what would he do?
 
The Neviller said:
No you don't. You pay to go and support your club. I find this a problem with modern day football, and in particular modern day fans. Too happy to sit and wait to be entertained. Too caught up in the glitzy Sky Sports era of entertainment and soap opera style football. You're there to support your team in the hope that they score more than the other team and win. That's what is important.

So, to the OP, is all well that ends well? Yes, if we win then that's the job we set out to do on a Saturday done, whether people were entertained by it or otherwise.
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Not from modern football mate. Fergie has recognized this in years past and it's still prevalent today. When a club whose traditions include entertaining football, it's hard not to expect it. Entertainment has always been a factor when it comes to United. Even older Reds can agree with this. Supporting your club through thick and thin is another aspect. These factors aren't mutually exclusive from each other.
 
Plato said:
Not from modern football mate. Fergie has recognized this in years past and it's still prevalent today. When a club whose traditions include entertaining football, it's hard not to expect it. Entertainment has always been a factor when it comes to United. Even older Reds can agree with this. Supporting your club through thick and thin is another aspect. These factors aren't mutually exclusive from each other.
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I'd rather we were entertaining, onviously. I'd rather we played football the right way, or at least tried to, but winning is the first thing. Winning nicely comes after that.

People must look back with Rose-tinted glasses on. We've always been able to win ugly. It was even one of the things Fergie commented on, on more than one occasion, that what marked a team out as a potential title winning team was the ability to win when you don't play well. We've always done that, under every single Fergie team, and I'm sure many before him. Won games when we weren't good or didn't play good football.
 
Fergus' son said:
I'm sure you're not, but doesnt this make you sound like a bit of a glory hunter?
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There is nothing wrong with supporting a successful club who you enjoy watching. Personally, I see a glory hunter as someone who just wants positive results and only follows them during their successful period. I picked a team and have supported them life, through good and bad. I've seen United relegated, and watched them in the old second division. One of my favourite seasons.

Most of the fans haven't really seen failure yet.
 
Plato said:
Football in modern terms has become a results business.
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It's always been a results business. Always. Are you saying teams in the past didn't care if they won? The whole point of the game is to score more goals than the other team and win. If it just was about playing nice football thenthe final score wouldn't matter and at the end of the game you'd have neutral judges deciding who was the prettiest team to watch and awarding the points to them, like figure skating.
 
Sultan said:
There is nothing wrong with supporting a successful club who you enjoy watching. Personally, I see a glory hunter as someone who just wants positive results and only follows them during their successful period. I picked a team and have supported them life, through good and bad. I've seen United relegated, and watched them in the old second division. One of my favourite seasons.

Most of the fans haven't really seen failure yet.
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That's fine, but now you support them wether they are entertaining or not, so it isn't a factor unless you are at that point where you are just about to pick a team to support, and that's contrary to what you said?
 
The Neviller said:
What else is the point in any sport if not to try and win at it?
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That's a different point, altogether. We're talking about football being an entertainment sport, and in most cases you go to games to be entertained. It's the whole package. I'm not saying results are not important.
 
Sultan said:
There is nothing wrong with supporting a successful club who you enjoy watching. Personally, I see a glory hunter as someone who just wants positive results and only follows them during their successful period. I picked a team and have supported them life, through good and bad. I've seen United relegated, and watched them in the old second division. One of my favourite seasons.

Most of the fans haven't really seen failure yet.
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You're right, and I'm too young to remember the second division. I've been a fan long enough to remember us when we weren't very good though, and certainly before we started winning things. I wouldn't suggest at all you're a glory hunter, and I agree that I'd rather see us play good football, but at the end of the day surely getting 3 points is what pleases you most? Do you take the same enjoyment out of playing well and losing as you do playing poorly and winning?

Are your emotions today perhaps slightly clouded by the ridiculous ticket feck up?
 
The Neviller said:
If it just was about playing nice football then the final score wouldn't matter and at the end of the game you'd have neutral judges deciding who was the prettiest team to watch and awarding the points to them, like figure skating.
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Enough about Arsenal.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Very true. My entire adult and teenage life we have never finished outside the top 3. It's crazy really.
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I was 12 when we won the title in 93. It's madness that we haven't been outside the top 3 since then. I remember getting stick from my Liverpool supporting mates though, over how long it'd been since we won the league. Funny how things change, and amazing as well that it's gone fill circle.

Its hard to think that some United fans have never experienced anything other than title wins and trophies, and Champions League football.
 
The Neviller said:
I was 12 when we won the title in 93. It's madness that we haven't been outside the top 3 since then. I remember getting stick from my Liverpool supporting mates though, over how long it'd been since we won the league. Funny how things change, and amazing as well that it's gone fill circle.

Its hard to think that some United fans have never experienced anything other than title wins and trophies, and Champions League football.
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Reading some of the furious over reactions to minuscule setbacks, I think it pretty evident that this is the case.
 
The Neviller said:
I'd rather we were entertaining, onviously. I'd rather we played football the right way, or at least tried to, but winning is the first thing. Winning nicely comes after that.

People must look back with Rose-tinted glasses on. We've always been able to win ugly. It was even one of the things Fergie commented on, on more than one occasion, that what marked a team out as a potential title winning team was the ability to win when you don't play well. We've always done that, under every single Fergie team, and I'm sure many before him. Won games when we weren't good or didn't play good football.
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The trouble is it is becoming the norm right now....playing unimaginative football and grinding results out. That will not last though, we have already lost 3 times this season and today QPR let us off the hook through their inability to defend set-pieces.
 
Comsmit said:
The trouble is it is becoming the norm right now....playing unimaginative football and grinding results out. That will not last though, we have already lost 3 times this season and today QPR let us off the hook through their inability to defend set-pieces.
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Why on here is everything we do right down to things the opposition do wrong? It's a strange, seemingly new, trend.
 
The Neviller said:
Are your emotions today perhaps slightly clouded by the ridiculous ticket feck up?
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Very likely.

I feel like packing it all in, to be fair. I can understand the club safeguarding against touts, but they need to provide evidence before blocking tickets - which we had paid for in advance prior to the season even starting (£52.00, each).
 
The Neviller said:
It's always been a results business. Always. Are you saying teams in the past didn't care if they won? The whole point of the game is to score more goals than the other team and win. If it just was about playing nice football thenthe final score wouldn't matter and at the end of the game you'd have neutral judges deciding who was the prettiest team to watch and awarding the points to them, like figure skating.
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Not to the extent in modern football though. There was more patience back then. That's not rose-tinted specs mate that's how it was. There were less examples of owners who liked to meddle in the footballing aspects and there were less examples of sack-happy owners.

If it was always a results business as you have outlined, SAF wouldn't be the manager right now. The current climate is far less patient.

You misunderstand me if you think it's just pretty football or it's just results.
 
Comsmit said:
The trouble is it is becoming the norm right now....playing unimaginative football and grinding results out. That will not last though, we have already lost 3 times this season and today QPR let us off the hook through their inability to defend set-pieces.
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Yet we are currently top.

I agree that if we are to win the title performances will need to improve. But I think they will.

I have no reason not to.
 
The Neviller said:
I'd rather we were entertaining, onviously. I'd rather we played football the right way, or at least tried to, but winning is the first thing. Winning nicely comes after that.

People must look back with Rose-tinted glasses on. We've always been able to win ugly. It was even one of the things Fergie commented on, on more than one occasion, that what marked a team out as a potential title winning team was the ability to win when you don't play well. We've always done that, under every single Fergie team, and I'm sure many before him. Won games when we weren't good or didn't play good football.
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We've been able to win ugly in the past but more often than not we played well. This season, it seems the norm is winning ugly. However, as football has changed, this is something which is becoming harder and harder to do.

In the past, we didn't hamper ourselves that much by picking bizarre lineups or tactics. There were times where we put out our best team and just underperformed. That's not what's happening now. Now we're picking unbalanced sides in the hopes of pulling out a win. This notion has become more prevalent over the past few years.

We have gone behind in 8 of our 12 PL matches. Thankfully we've done enough to come back in the game but I don't doubt there will be occasions where we don't. We can't take it for granted that we will always come back in the match after going behind. That's what it feels like right now and it's annoying because we are more than capable of putting out more balanced lineups and giving ourselves a better chance to win the game but we just simply are not. It's annoying because most of our issues are self-inflicted rather than the opposition just flat out being a better team than us.
 
Plato said:
Not to the extent in modern football though. There was more patience back then. That's not rose-tinted specs mate that's how it was. There were less examples of owners who liked to meddle in the footballing aspects and there were less examples of sack-happy owners.

If it was always a results business as you have outlined, SAF wouldn't be the manager right now. The current climate is far less patient.

You misunderstand me if you think it's just pretty football or it's just results.
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It was very much a results business when Fergie first came here. He was brought here to improve results, and was under pressure when that didn't happen straight away. The fact our board showed patience and didnt jump in to sack him is no evidence that it wasn't a results business, they just had faith in him to get results, even though certain sections of our fanbase at the time didn't, and wanted him out. Why did they want him out? Because we weren't winning enough, and weren't getting the desired results.
 
Plato said:
We've been able to win ugly in the past but more often than not we played well. This season, it seems the norm is winning ugly. However, as football has changed, this is something which is becoming harder and harder to do.

In the past, we didn't hamper ourselves that much by picking bizarre lineups or tactics. There were times where we put out our best team and just underperformed. That's not what's happening now. Now we're picking unbalanced sides in the hopes of pulling out a win. This notion has become more prevalent over the past few years.

We have gone behind in 8 of our 12 PL matches. Thankfully we've done enough to come back in the game but I don't doubt there will be occasions where we don't. We can't take it for granted that we will always come back in the match after going behind. That's what it feels like right now and it's annoying because we are more than capable of putting out more balanced lineups and giving ourselves a better chance to win the game but we just simply are not. It's annoying because most of our issues are self-inflicted rather than the opposition just flat out being a better team than us.
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And yet, we're top of the league having, so far, had better results than everyone else.
 
Sultan said:
Very likely.

I feel like packing it all in, to be fair. I can understand the club safeguarding against touts, but they need to provide evidence before blocking tickets - which we had paid for in advance prior to the season even starting (£52.00, each).
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They haven't cared about supporters like yourself in a long while now.

Soon there'll be no-one left in the ground whose had ST's passed down generations, it's a sorry state.
 
Utd heap said:
They haven't cared about supporters like yourself in a long while now.

Soon there'll be no-one left in the ground whose had ST's passed down generations, it's a sorry state.
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Why should there be, exactly? Someone having a season ticket shouldn't entitle their offspring to have one.
 
The Neviller said:
It's a results business at the end of the day. Yes, we'd all rather win well and play lovely football, but this attitude of being disappointed at wins is alien to me. Getting the 3 points makes me happy, I can't remember ever being disappointed in a win.
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I know but it's foolish to say it's only about results. Why not follow a cricket team if that's all that matters. People take different things from the game. It's got feck all to do with Sky though. Did you start watching football because you wanted Utd to win or because you liked watching football?
 
The Neviller said:
And yet, we're top of the league having, so far, had better results than everyone else.
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Right and if we don't improve, then we could fall behind. If we're talking about the title race and our CL campaign, I dont think we can continue playing like this and expect to win the title or get much farther in challenging for the CL trophy.
 
The Neviller said:
Why should there be, exactly? Someone having a season ticket shouldn't entitle their offspring to have one.
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If I gave up, I'm sure my sons and nephews would stop going. United would lose a generation of loyal paying fans? Why do you think United let kids in for £10.00 for taking up the same space as an adult?
 
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