It was in response to Ferguson's comments I believe.
Steven Gerrard
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That it wouldn't matter who they were playing.
Did Fergie say his players would own up to something like what happened last week? If not I don't see what those incidents have to do with Suarez. The Carroll incident happened 8 years ago. Will people ever let it go?
It's weird that he brought up the Roy Carroll thing, considering it was 7 years ago. You've got to draw a line with comparisons somewhere, else I could go back to 1922 when Henry Hubcab used unsporting play to disguise a wicklenilly with his umbelow.
Thompson did it today on Soccer Saturday in defense of Suarez. Jeff put it quite well that what Carroll did was an accident whereas it can be argued what Suarez did was intentional. I don't agree wih he clamour for Suarez to have admitted it and asked for the goal to be disallowed. I would be surprised if a Utd player did it. The problem is the regularity Suarez does things like that.
It's the natural comparison I suppose as we're playing you tomorrow.
Yeah that's a point regarding intention.
I've found the whole debate on owning up fairly pointless, I wouldn't expect anyone to do it. If Suarez handled it deliberately, he's not then going to decide to own up. If he handled it accidentally, he's technically within his rights to play on. It's up to ref.
Doesn't make Suarez any less of a shit though.
I think there's a huge difference between a player admitting to something he's done (like handballing) to a player admitting to seeing something (it crossed the line). I don't think a player saying 'yes, it crossed the line' should affect the referee even if that player is in fact causing possible damage to his team. The fact Carroll is even brought up is silly.
What's natural about it? A natural comparison would be the ball hitting a players hand and him scoring from it. Like Fellaini or Crouch this season. That is comparing like for like and is a much better defense.
In which way is it different? In both cases the player knows an unfair advantage has been gained.
But we're not playing Everton or Stoke.
And what? He was talking about a player handling the ball and scoring from it. Do you not think that is a better way of showing hypocrisy is comparing two identical things rather than two different offences, one of which was several years ago. The interview wasn't about Man United. If it was then what was he doing talking about Gary McAllister?
The difference is, footballers should not referee games. If a player says that he handballed, or that he wasn't fouled, that's one thing. A player saying he saw something is not the same. Maybe the next thing is that Vidic should say he saw Ferdinand fouling a player and it should be a penalty.
Yeah, this is spot on.
If Suarez has done it deliberately what is he owning up to?
'Excuse me ref, I just cheated, please book me'?
If Suarez hasn't done it deliberately there's no reason to disallow the goal.
Astonishing!So, he doesn't support Rodgers.
And he is talking bollocks about the carroll situation, what has carroll to do with it, it's ridiculous to compare those two situations.
And he is talking bollocks about the carroll situation, what has carroll to do with it, it's ridiculous to compare those two situations.
Indeed, when we played the chavs a couple of years ago, it is fair to say that we were beaten by the linesman since he failed to acknowledge the fact that Drogba was yards offside when he scored against us. On the otherhand, very few have completely forgotten the deliberate handball by Macheda when we scored. On a personal note, I love Manchester United, but I am also old-fashioned in that I would prefer we lose a match in fair-play rather than winning through cheating. All forms of cheating needs to be eradicated, that way we can get back to a proper football match.
I don't know. Why is your Mgr inciting things 2 days before a match, when he has previously called for cool heads.
Bendy screens?
He was talking directly about the match and doing what he always does. Not something that a Liverpool player did 8 years ago. Gerrard was defending Suarez. There are no similarities.
What Carroll did was not cheating, he made a mistake.
What Suarez did was deliberately use his hand to gain an unfair advantage.
Now I don't blame Duarez for not going to referee to owning up but there's a clear difference between the two incidents
What Suarez did was deliberately use his hand to gain an unfair advantage.
Now I don't blame Duarez for not going to referee to owning up but there's a clear difference between the two incidents
We have moved on from the Carroll since I believe it is irrelevant to the conversation. However, when Macheda handballed the goal into the net against Chelsea a couple of years ago, it was deliberate and not accidental.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1waQJ3dC5ro&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Got clapped off the pitch.
Nobody has a pedestal to judge others from.
Got clapped off the pitch.
Nobody has a pedestal to judge others from.
What exactly was wrong with what Solskjaer did?
Proud Lyon has told us we've moved on. Best we move on.
He did cheat. Made no attempt to play the ball.
You must have red tinted retinas if you can't see what he did there.
Since it is a totally different situation. However, I believe the Macheda incident is very much relevant in this case and to be honest, I cannot see how we can get on our high horses about Suarez when Macheda did exactly the same, unless you are a top red of course.
I see nothing wrong with what Solskjaer did there just like I don't see anything wrong with what Suarez did vs Ghana.
I agree with this.
The best thing about Suarez, from a United supporters point of view, is the dippers will continue to use him as a focus for their persecution complex and their notions of a corrupt game. However he will eventually leave them for a big club and they will vilify him immediately, burn his shirt and all the rest of it. They constantly set themselves up for these falls and we wont be able to resist enjoying the aftermath.
Both cheated and got punished.
fergie is doing exactly the opposite of what he keeps preaching. Instead of saying "let's just talk football", he yet again stirs up the pot,which in turn has former players and current ones supporting Suarez. Right or wrong, they're going to support him.
No class.
Liverpool player in "they started it" shocker!
I'm sure he was asked questions on the game and Ferguson's comments. Thus it's natural to make the comparison with Carroll. They are two identical things. Carroll could have told the referee the ball had crossed the line just as Suarez could have told the referee the ball had hit his hand.
You said it yourself.
Taking a player down and taking a booking or a red when a player is through is accepted in the English game as it's more of a 'manly' thing to do and been done here for years.
No, they are not identical. There's a difference between admitting to something you DID to something you SAW. You would have no doubt about what YOU DID, but when it comes down to what YOU SAW, I don't think the referee can take your word for it - even if it results in a goal against your own team. He should see it himself.
If you want to compare the handball to diving - though I didn't think it was intentional - that's fine. Comparing it to that phanton goal, though, no. I doubt the referee could even change his decision based on what one of the players saw.
Both committed an offence and were punished. I don't like the word cheated. Because every foul could then be called cheating.
So it's an acceptable form of cheating then ?
It depends on who did it? If it was one of our rivals, then we'd be screaming murder...
