Arsene Wenger's contract

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I don't understand how that is a comfortable position...
When was Wenger criticized at all?

When Fergie went two-three years without a title, the media was full of he's losing his touch etc but Wenger hasn't even got close to a league title in ages and yet he gets praised for his prudence and style of football.
 

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That really shows the difference between someone who attends matches and someone who doesn't.

Wenger has met with more criticism than any other PL manager this season.
 

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That really shows the difference between someone who attends matches and someone who doesn't.

Wenger has met with more criticism than any other PL manager this season.
I know he's getting some jip from the support, but he's still the darling of the media.
 

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As a unit, it's fine. Sagna is becoming a bit of a liability, but realistically it's not our biggest problem. It has been in the past but there's been some clear improvement there.
It depends what Arsenal's aspirations are. To challenge for the title next season I'd say they need 6 quality players. This won't be the case though as any realistic fan will realise best case scenario you'll aim to build a title challenging side over the next 5 years minimum.
 

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I know he's getting some jip from the support, but he's still the darling of the media.
He's respectful to the media but he's had to deal with a lot more than usual this year from them. I think he tends not to get destroyed in his press conferences because unlike some, he respects journalists enough not to try to ban them endlessly.

It depends what Arsenal's aspirations are. To challenge for the title next season I'd say they need 6 quality players. This won't be the case though as any realistic fan will realise best case scenario you'll aim to build a title challenging side over the next 5 years minimum.
I think this is a slight overstatement. It's clear the side needs work and I agree, it won't be a quick fix, but there's really no need for more than about four top signings. The key will be to avoid signing 8 average ones.
 

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Not sure why you had to have a little swipe a fergie there. Strange!

Anyway, I think he's great and the board should now back him to the hilt, especially with the ground almost paid for and the bumper TV money next season. Give him the resources to build another great side that we can all enjoy. I want to be able to go back to hating him again.
 

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When was Wenger criticized at all?

When Fergie went two-three years without a title, the media was full of he's losing his touch etc but Wenger hasn't even got close to a league title in ages and yet he gets praised for his prudence and style of football.
He's gotten blasted by journos through the year and boo-ed by his own crowd multiple times.
 

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That really shows the difference between someone who attends matches and someone who doesn't.

Wenger has met with more criticism than any other PL manager this season.
Yeah forgive me for not attending Arsenal's matches. You really are a miracle retard.
 

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He's gotten blasted by journos through the year and boo-ed by his own crowd multiple times.
Really?

Are their any examples of that nature?
 

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Yeah forgive me for not attending Arsenal's matches. You really are a miracle retard.
I wasn't criticising you for not attending Arsenal matches, I was criticising you for claiming that he was completely indulged by fans and media alike when you quite clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

If you'd said 'I don't know what the reaction has been recently to Arsene Wenger's management' that would have been fine. But unless you go to games, or at least listen to his press conferences, you should probably realise that you're dealing in speculation, not facts.
 

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I wasn't criticising you for not attending Arsenal matches, I was criticising you for claiming that he was completely indulged by fans and media alike when you quite clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

If you'd said 'I don't know what the reaction has been recently to Arsene Wenger's management' that would have been fine. But unless you go to games, or at least listen to his press conferences, you should probably realise that you're dealing in speculation, not facts.
He hasn't yet faced the criticism that the likes of Fergie faced when he was going through a barren spell. It's possible as you say that the banning of journalist has got something to do with that, but then I see journos like Jeremy Wilson, John Cross etc actively worshipping the ground that Wenger walks on.

I didn't mention the fans in the quoted post.
 

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He hasn't yet faced the criticism that the likes of Fergie faced when he was going through a barren spell. It's possible as you say that the banning of journalist has got something to do with that, but then I see journos like Jeremy Wilson, John Cross etc actively worshipping the ground that Wenger walks on.

I didn't mention the fans in the quoted post.
You didn't mention them directly, but you implied them given you claimed it was a comfortable position. If the fans were howling for his resignation, I can assure you it would not be comfortable, and this season, some were.

There are some journalists who think he's done great under the constraints he has.

There are others who don't, and they've been vocal about it. You clearly don't know the situation.
 

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You didn't mention them directly, but you implied them given you claimed it was a comfortable position. If the fans were howling for his resignation, I can assure you it would not be comfortable, and this season, some were.

There are some journalists who think he's done great under the constraints he has.

There are others who don't, and they've been vocal about it. You clearly don't know the situation.
Give me the names of these Journalists then.
 

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You're not getting it, are you?

I'm not going to sit here listing individual journalists and linking you to columns. The reality is that there hasn't been a North Korean wall of silence this year at Arsenal. I know that because I actually know something about the club.
 

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You're not getting it, are you?

I'm not going to sit here listing individual journalists and linking you to columns. The reality is that there hasn't been a North Korean wall of silence this year at Arsenal. I know that because I actually know something about the club.
Typical Al, all bullshit and nothing of substance.
 

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In my opinion, with this whole contract situation, I dont think Arsenal should offer a renewal and I dont think Wenger should sign one if he was offered. They just have to part ways. I think he has achieved all he can with Arsenal. He should find one last job before he retires and Arsenal have to go down a new path. I say this with the deepest respect for Wenger as a manger.
 

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Typical Al, all bullshit and nothing of substance.
:lol: That might be true, but the nerve to say it after your performance in this thread is hilarious.

You've basically made a statement based on speculation and ignorance, and then tried to back it up by abusing me and asking me to name specific journalists who have criticised Wenger this year. Get back in your box.
 

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I think this is a slight overstatement. It's clear the side needs work and I agree, it won't be a quick fix, but there's really no need for more than about four top signings. The key will be to avoid signing 8 average ones.
They would have to be four really great signings for you to seriously compete in my opinion. For instance signing Zabaleta, Kompany, Bale and Falcao and you'd obviously compete. But realistically speaking 4 good signings (for say £60m total) is probably only going to put you where Chelsea are now.
 

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:lol: That might be true, but the nerve to say it after your performance in this thread is hilarious.

You've basically made a statement based on speculation and ignorance, and then tried to back it up by abusing me and asking me to name specific journalists who have criticised Wenger this year. Get back in your box.
Well I've named journalist who literally worship the ground Wenger walks, so that's a start. You on the other hand have been full of bullshit(posting that you've some knowledge, without really stating what that knowledge is/was).
 

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They would have to be four really great signings for you to seriously compete in my opinion. For instance signing Zabaleta, Kompany, Bale and Falcao and you'd obviously compete. But realistically speaking 4 good signings (for say £60m total) is probably only going to put you where Chelsea are now.
I actually believe we're not too far off Chelsea. For all their frantic transfer work, the Chelsea squad is still a bit thin (although they made some sensible Jan signings).

A few good additions, and with Wenger at the helm, we'd be there or thereabouts. We weren't too far in 2007-09 with a decent to average team. We need a lot of things to come together with the current squad for that too, though.
 

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When was Wenger criticized at all?

When Fergie went two-three years without a title, the media was full of he's losing his touch etc but Wenger hasn't even got close to a league title in ages and yet he gets praised for his prudence and style of football.
Are you fecking shitting me! We had months of 'Arsenal in Crisis' shite this year alone. It was tedious beyond belief.

Alastair is right.
 

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I would expect there to be some resolution to this in the next couple of months...
 

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Season's over, we have our CL place. I'd hardly expect him to do any (much required) business in the transfer window if we haven't gotten his future sorted.

The only powerful bump is the one Liverpool will require to remain a mediocre mid-table team.
 

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Times reporting that he's set for a new 3 year deal worth...£24 million.
 

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Unofficial confirmation from Gazidis today...now let's hope there's some positive news on signings in the next couple of days.
 

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Deserves a new contract. Has had to deal with very tight purse strings since the move to the Emirates yet has managed to keep Arsenal competitive. Finally allowed to splash some cash and is back in a title race with two Oligarch backed super rich clubs. Deserves his chance to end his trophy drought.
 

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Good news, not that it was ever in doubt. Like RexHamiliton says has had to work with a very small budget and did well to keep us in the top 4 and now we are in a good position to build upon our last few seasons.
 

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I have no idea either, yet.
I think KM has a point in this thread, but only if he's comparing Arse to United. Which is high flattery for them. A United manager would be universally hounded with Arsene's record over the last 7 years.
 

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I think KM has a point in this thread, but only if he's comparing Arse to United. Which is high flattery for them. A United manager would be universally hounded with Arsene's record over the last 7 years.
If they had gone through the rebuilding that we did off the pitch during that time then those fans need a slap. Wenger has made his fair share of mistakes but he has done a lot more right than wrong.
 

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I have no idea either, yet.
If they had gone through the rebuilding that we did off the pitch during that time then those fans need a slap. Wenger has made his fair share of mistakes but he has done a lot more right than wrong.
Don't get me wrong the criticism of Arsene last year was madness, but he did get a lot more grace than a United manager would have with the same record.